JFK - theories/opinions

[redpeekay]

Recently in my grade 11 American history class we've been talking about the cold war and the murder of JFK.....I'm just curious as to what some people's beliefs on this topic are.

[Moskitto]

my brother did something like this once. The teacher just gave a speach and they just came up with their own theories.

His theory was that it was a conspiricy by annother US politician who wanted to get rid of his brother from an office somewhere. And it involved the mafia and communism somewhere in it.

I could get him to explain it.

[redpeekay]

That would be cool if you could post the whole explanation!...As much as I hate conspiracies the whole lone gunman thing is pretty stupid....like, just the fact that his head went backwards, instead of forward proves there was more than one shooter...

[Moskitto]

I could get him to sign up so he can post it, but he's a moderately right-wing conservative and that might annoy some people. Although he's not annoying like Capitalist and Mclaren are and he's one of the more libertarian members of the conservatives yahoo club he's on, And when he took the political compass test he was only 0.37 points to the right.

[CommieBastard]

Is it mere coincidence that a week before he was shot JFK had commented to a reporter that he was thinking of lifting the trade embargo on Cuba? who knows...
but certainly, there is strong evidence that there were problems with the mafia...

[Capitalist]

I think Oswald killed JFK by himself.

Oswald was an expert marksman in the U.S. Marines - receiving the highest scores for his rifle shooting abilities amongst his peers.

His loony shady communistic past goes back to when he was 16 years old.

He defected to the USSR - only to come back.

He lived in New Orleans and handed out pro-cuban, pro-communist literature, hoping to end the blockade in Cuba. This was soon after the Cuban Missle Crisis

He was seen at the Cuban Embassy in Mexico - across the Texas Border - 2 or 3 weeks prior to the assasination of JFK (Wonder if Castro had anything to do with the assasination?)

I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

Oswald did it alone.

I am convinced of this fact after my own study of the facts - understanding I am in the minority with this belief. Most Americans believe there were multiple shooters. However, I'm not one easily swayed by Hollywood Propaganda.

I believe Oswald shot JFK alone.

If he was a "Patsy"(Pawn or person to blame) - I doubt he was a Patsy for the Mafia or the CIA.

It is possible that he was a "Patsy" for Fidel Castro. However I myself doubt he was a patsy for even Fidel.

He was just a loony communist fanatic, who wanted to shoot an American President.

[Capitalist]

About the head going backwards.

Look at that footage again.

The front side of JFK's head explodes (a bullet wound will create a small puncture when entering and big explosion when exiting, therefore that head shot came from behind)

Ever been hit from behind (example a car collision - whiplash). When somebody is hit from behind, their head goes backwards.

Look at the picture of Kennedy holding his neck, just prior to the head shot - notice that the secret service man in the background is looking up and in the direction of the 6th floor depository.

[redpeekay]

Capitalist, that's pretty circumstancial....so what, he was openly a communist, that doesn't mean he shot JFK!
Oswalds position was behind the car, yet, the back of JFKs head blew out, and his head jerked back, not forwards, so obviously it someone shot him from in front...

[redpeekay]

whiplash in a car occurs because the car suddenly stops, but your head has inertia, so it continues forward at the speed the car was traveling before it slowed
the head is not really going backwards, the car is catching up with the head that has now slowed to the new speed of the car

[Capitalist]

What is your theory?

If all these people were involved - then how was it kept a secret?

Not even the secret burial of Che Guevara lasted forever.

if there was more than one person - we would know by now.

I agree with your point. Because your head only jerks backwards if your body is hit forward, but not your head.

In this case - his head was obviously hit, not his body.

However why is is his head going backwards. Is it from the force of the bullet or the force of his head exploding - or both?

I still think the shot came from behind and sideways, from where Oswald is shooting.

There are other factors to consider such as when the front of your head explodes, do you jerk backwards or forward. What are your nerves doing in the last moments of your life?

[Moskitto]

We don't do the JFK assasination in much detail yet.

So let me get this straight, the guy was shot and there's some ballistics [calculates what would happen with a bullet going through his head] to show that the bullet came from one location yet there's some witnesses who say it came from annother location.

Maybe he was actually part of a conspiricy but not a government one. Maybe he wanted to shoot him but get some people to say the shot came from somewhere else, but he was still caught.

[Capitalist]

I think that one person committed the crime - but I am no expert on the JFK Assasination nor an expert on guns.

I just think that JFK was quite a lousy President. He was probably one of the worst Presidents this nation ever had - next to Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

Funny how someone becomes a Martyr when they are killed during the prime of their life. They instantly become a hero and everything bad about their character is forgotten - kind of like Che Guevara

[revolutionary spirit]

i think he was good for his promotion of black equality but thought too much with his dick and of course cuba a

[Dreadnaht1]

First of all, Cappy, the second Castro discovered JFK had been assasinated he went on public television and declared that he had nothing to do with it. And that was about all of Castro's involvment.

And you adding that all of Che's "bad things about his charecter" being forgotten I can assure Che is famous because there are very little bad things about his charecter. Now we all know your stupid and you just threw that in there to piss us off and that's understandable since we all know capitalism sucks and has more problems then an 85 year old homosexual, no offense to the homosexuals--there's nothing wrong with that.

So cappy I suggest you stop trying to find faults in Che's charecter since there are none and since there never where any. Che was a legend long before he was dead. And the reason Che's body was eventually found is because too many people loved him to keep their mouths shut.

-Dread

[El Commandante]

There is so obviously a conspricacy, Oswald may well have been an expert marksman but he was using a shoddy Italian rifle and he supposedly fired 4 bullets in less then five seconds, an impossible feat with a poor quality bolt action rifle.

Also the timings don't fit with Oswald having to run from the top of the book depository. He was met by an officer on the middle floor and was not out of breath, if he had run from the top that he would have been. Also two women were running down and did not see him.

For a week at least the FBI refused to admit four shots had been fired. In truth there had been four, one wildly missing hitting an observer in the hand and the bullet lodging in the curb of the pavement beneath the under pass.

Also the number of eye witnesses to seeing two men behind the picket fence to have died in suspicious circumstances is huge. Almost all of them are dead, the odds of them all dying so quickly and in such violent incidents are minute. Who other than a government agency would have the power to do this without attracting attention.

Also the autospy of JFK was carried out by amateurs, they were trauma surgeons in the navy being directed what to do by an assortment of senior officers. They were prevented from working out the course of the bullet in the brain. The brain later meant "missing".

All pretty conclusive evidence that there had been some sort of conspiracy in the killing and investigation of the JFK killing.

[HardcoreCommie]

the us government is hardly efficient enough to pull something like the JFK assassination off.

[revolutionary spirit]

yeah US government r better in supporting reppressive pro-american dictatorships

(Edited by revolutionary spirit at 9:37 pm on Jan. 12, 2002)

[Capitalist]

I did this research about 4 years ago. So I forgot everything I researched.

I was like everyone else - I believed more than one person killed JFK so I started doing some research on my own.

I read about every theory - and the more you read the more you began to realize that all these theories were based on very weak evidence and testimonies from publicity seekers.

In the end - The Magic Bullet won me over.

I believe there was only one shooter (Oswald).

100% positve Oswald did it alone.

However - I do NOT believe Fidel had anything to do with it, however it is interesting to consider

- considering Oswald was witnessed at the Cuban Embassy just prior to the assasination.

If there was an American cover up - it was to cover up the fact that Fidel Castro planned or encouraged the assasination plot.

Because that would have meant world war 3. Especially after JFK promissed USSR the USA would not invade Cuba as long as USSR pulled their nuclear missiles out of Cuba.

This is a great subject to discuss - I expect this one will make about 10 pages of discussions.

I want to hear Capitalisitc Plot Theories. Does anyone blame the Mafia or CIA?

Another theory is that the Mafia was responsible. Considering they helped JFK win the narrow election in New York. JFK/Nixon's election was the most narrow election prior to Bush/Gore. The Mafia definitely helped in Chicago.

[Moskitto]

Do you actually know how much that gun cost?

A surplus WW1 gun bought in the 60s could be bought for $10 dollars.

This one was bought mail order so it was about $13.

[Moskitto]

My brother actually does blame the mafia (with some involvement of a US politician who didn't like kennedy's brothers policies.) and he's a right-wing conservative.

[peaccenicked]

JFK was killed by an older version of his self who came back in a time machine. It was on Red Dwarf on the
BBC. Is that program fiction? Doh. Well it is just as good as the lone gun man theory. Too many cover ups. I smell
a rat, perhaps capitalist knows somebody involved he seems to want to cover it up too.

[El Commandante]

Capitalist, the magic bullet cannot be believed, it defies all sense of logic. It is a scientific theory, just the fact that by using the laws of physics you can dangle an elephant off a cliff with a daisy if you get the angles right. These things may be possible but they are not practical.

[El Commandante]

Here is a diagram of the magic bullet theory.

http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/

(Edited by El Commandante at 10:19 pm on Jan. 12, 2002)

[Dreadnaht1]

Personally, I think JFK was a scumbag and a greedy one at that. Therefore, I feel, what's the point of investigating the murder of a sack of shit?

-Dread

(Edited by Dreadnaht1 at 8:36 pm on Jan. 12, 2002)

[CommieBastard]

Very simply we will never know exactly who killed JFK, nor exactly why... the reason for this is because the US officials handled the whole affair pathetically, either by design or incompetence, this neither will we know.
One thing is for sure, the US govt. probably knows, but don't expect to see any declassified documentation saying who it was, because they are allowed to shred it instead of release it if they want...

and dread - because that murder may very well be a prime example of how much JFK as a man typified the american system.

(Edited by CommieBastard at 12:39 am on Jan. 13, 2002)

[I Will Deny You]

http://store.theonion.com/store_graphics/detail_popups/odc_kennedy_big.gif

[Dreadnaht1]

Now that's some funny shit.

[Hayduke]

All the people distract us with questions like
who and were.......not seeing the most important
of all..........why ?

[Moskitto]

The problem with saying that he wasn't panting when he was found on the middle flaw is that marines guys have to be pretty fit, so he might have ran down very quickly and had time to recover.

Although how many floors was the book despsitory? I once ran down 14 flights of stairs in a hotel in egypt in less than a minute. But I could join the army based on my runnning times.

Although the other stuff didn't quite match up.

(Edited by Moskitto at 6:19 pm on Jan. 13, 2002)

[Hayduke]

I Just saw the movie JFK and he ran down the stair pretty quik and recoverd breath a minute or some two times he breathes trough the motuh and after that a long breath by the nose.....

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from D DAY on 10:54 am on Jan. 13, 2002
All the people distract us with questions like
who and were.......not seeing the most important
of all..........why ?
You can't know why until you know who.

[Dreadnaht1]

What about 911? We all knew why they did it before we knew who did it. We still don't know who did it. Fucking governments can't even tell the truth at all.

-Dread

[CommieBastard]

ANNOUNCEMENT: I can tell you who is responsible for the death of JFK.

The Why? Because an ancestor of JFK murdered one of the members of this organisation several centuries ago during the witch hunts, and went without repercussions.
The Who? The Satanic Knight Templars
The How? With a special bullet doused in goat's blood and flame, which was made not only to strike true, but also to ensure that his soul was sent direct to hell.

no, really it's true.

[Dreadnaht1]

Yeah and religion is seperate from state in the U$A. Allthough it was a nice try. The pigs blood theory I mean.

-Dread

[CommieBastard]

what on earth does the so-called speretation of church and state got to do with it?

[Dreadnaht1]

It was supposed to be sarcastic.

[Kez]

I SHOT JFK, THE YELLOW BELLY MOTHER FUCKER

comrade kamo

[peaccenicked]

It was aliens, JFK was gonna be a whistleblower.
I saw it on the Sci Fi channel.

[CommieBastard]

look, it was the Satanic Knight Templars... i have some... contacts....

[Kez]

Does anyone know where this magic bullet is now?

comrade kamo

how many years till cia files come to light

[El Commandante]

Kamo, I think it is 34 years until the files are released, but up until the day of release, it states that they "may burn, destroy or otherwise tamper with anything that may harm national secruity". So basically we'll get a file saying nothing.

[Kez]

Fuckers
FUck em all, when we topple their hate machine, we will have no use for their shitty files

comrade kamo

[Dreadnaht1]

Again I must state that JFK was a piece of shit and I couldn't care less who shot him. I'm rather happy his face was blown off. Him, Moussilini and Hitler.

Oh I got a good one too, Moussilini's last words were: "Shoot me in the chest! Soot me in the chest!" So they shot him in the face.

-Dread

[CommieBastard]

he might have been bluffing...
he may have wanted them to shott him in the face, and so said the chest knowing that they would act contrary to his requests...

[Dreadnaht1]

Naw, he was shitting and pissing himself rather badly and was only thinking about how he was going to die. Not the fact that he had killed so many people and now he was in the same position that he had placed so many innocent people in before. And, when your shitting your pants you know you can't lie.

Just give me the satisfaction that he didn't die the way he wanted to.

-Dread