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Nickademus

11th January 2002, 20:28

cheguevara .. . what exactly do you define as an anti-Che-do nothing socialist pacifist? don't give me any examples of people on this board. i want a description of what such people are like thats the only way i can discuss this with you rationally

Moskitto

11th January 2002, 20:50

I wouldn't have enough time to do what I would want to do in 2 hours. And it's not banning people.

Kez

11th January 2002, 23:16

Quote: from Nickademus on 9:28 pm on Jan. 11, 2002
cheguevara .. . what exactly do you define as an anti-Che-do nothing socialist pacifist? don't give me any examples of people on this board. i want a description of what such people are like thats the only way i can discuss this with you rationally

well, its people like you, u liberal champagne revolutionaries, it is you who are the counter revolutionaries
the 20th century revolution was betrayed by fools of pacifism and capitalism, let us not let this happen in the 21st century revolution, when the revolution comes to the hearts of the workers of the united world, no more will be spoken of injustice and exploitation, because there will not be any. But until the revolution, we must not hinder our efforts to become like comrade nick and become pacifist waste of space.
TOWARDS THE REVOLUTION!

*sits down after glorious speech, realises what he sed*
*considers whether to delete above*
*thinks not*

comrade kamo *waiting for nick to think she's a fuckin god bwhahah screw all you champagne and armchair revolutionaries, the revolution wont wait for you, but when it emerges victorious you will change and realises how you were hindering the cause

Moskitto

11th January 2002, 23:19

Maybe what we need is a forum called "Rosa-Lives" then people won't come on saying that because we like Rosa Luxemburg we hate freedom of speech.

El Che

11th January 2002, 23:20

kamo your the waste of space! where do you get off insulting nickadamos? grow the fuck up

Kez

11th January 2002, 23:26

*bows head*
i apologise, i just went into *ur supreme ruler of the communist world* mode
but i menat what i sed, without swearing

comrade kamo

red head

11th January 2002, 23:29

kamo, it seems to me from your other posts, it seems like you aren't quite sure of your ideologies yet. you say you're fighting hard when in reality, you aren't exactly sure what it is you're fighting for. quit being an asshole to people just because they aren't fighting some bullshit revolution that doesn't exit. i knkow i'm not sure of my beliefs either but i don't go around pissing people off for not throwing bricks through windows or typing those witty leftist slogans on message boards. pacifism is a noble cause and i have a great deal of respect for those who practice it. the most important thing is to be informed and to informed others, and your bullshit dogma is polarizing people and is the true counter-revolution. "dogma is less useful than cow dung" -mao

CommieBastard

11th January 2002, 23:29

Kamorade, what have you been taking? ffs, you really should stay of the hard shit...
Anyway, Nickademus is doing things for the leftist cause just as valuable as actual fighting, for she is fighting to alleviate the current and more short term needs of people. Yes, we need to keep the big picture in view, but sometimes we need people to look at the little picture, people to alleviate the pain until the glorious revolution...
i think you are just getting carried away here, please just sit down, DONT take anything to calm your nerves, it might react badly with what you've had already...

CommieBastard

11th January 2002, 23:32

ok two things, one those previous two posts werent they when i posted *curses*
second, cow dung, as any nepalese will tell you, is a valuable resource, providing vital material for fires. Biomass is also useful to the more technologically advanced, and can be used for electricity generation.
Not to mention it's use for fertiliser.

Kez

11th January 2002, 23:49

I wanst specifically attacking comrade nick, but the fact is there has been enough leafleting, now is time for action, the time is ripe, we need to grap the opportunity in power the engine of the revolution.
Ive done leafletin, and its ok, just as lenin did, but what did lenin plan to do? have a violent if neccasery revolution, i dont want violence, but what i want is action taken place before im old and decrepid, i want my kids or grandchildren to live in a world of peace and prosperity, not in a shithole that is capitlaism, and they can know that it was this generation which at least started the world wide revolution, we need some big players in the revolution, and for sure it aint us, but we need one to follow and make victorious for the cause of the poeple

comrade kamo
workers of all countries unite

red head

11th January 2002, 23:55

time is right for action? are you aware that the number of people in the western world whose political ideas are anywhere near ours is about .1%. we have another few hundred years more leafleting. and i hate to burst your utopian bubble, but the odds are, things are going to be a lot worse for your grandkids than they are right now. i think the thing is, you are young and restless (like me, admittedly) and ready for drastic change. that doesn't mean the world is. if you don't understand the reasons why lenins revolution worked and yours wouldn't, then you have some reading to do comrade.

Kez

12th January 2002, 00:05

few hundred year? wtf we'll run outta trees before we start the "revolution"
fuck em, .1% of world is fuckloads of people
400 people invaded cuba and won revolution (corect me , not sure if im right) so wtf we waiting for?
we cant wait till the wood is turned to ash, the revolutioary fire is picking up now, and we must grab it as our beacon into the light

comrade kamo

CommieBastard

12th January 2002, 00:06

obtaining revolution in the western world is going to be difficult, as the population you have to convince is the entirety of the modern day bourgoisie. The Proletariat exists now in one place, and thats the so-called 'third world', and they are still the majority of people. That is where the succesful revolutions will occur, but they will still need a hell of a lot of political maneuvering.
Revolution in the UK? the best we can hope for is to stave off the worst of capitalism....

(Edited by CommieBastard at 1:31 am on Jan. 12, 2002)

Kez

12th January 2002, 00:12

The revolution will soon come, maybe next 20-30 years, but whe it does, we will be in the best place on earth, soon our comraeds in france and germany will join, the world revolution in nigh

comrade kamo

Kez

12th January 2002, 00:44

Quote: from Moskitto on 12:19 am on Jan. 12, 2002
Maybe what we need is a forum called "Rosa-Lives" then people won't come on saying that because we like Rosa Luxemburg we hate freedom of speech.

so was rosa against freedom of speech?
im confused

Moskitto

12th January 2002, 00:47

[Apu Accent] (dunno why)

oh no no no no. Tavareesh.

On the contrary my friend, it is a great dishonour to Rosa to say she was against freedom of speech.

[/Apu Accent]

Right, I better stop posting, I have to be awake at 6 and I haven't packed my bag. (Mr Disorganized)

Valkyrie

12th January 2002, 01:06

something like an economic crisis. We all just have to be ready to sieze the opportunity when it happens.

RedCeltic

12th January 2002, 02:20

Quote: from CheGuevara on 2:47 pm on Jan. 11, 2002
I'm not in favor of this idea, but if you do, start with the capitalist bastards and move on to the anti-Che do-nothing socialist pacifists.

I suppose since you attacked me (as well as others) I should take offence to this... I'm not "Anti-Che" I have never ever.. said I was... I urge you to find one shread of evicence where I said che was anything but... "Lower on my list of heros than Eugene Victor Debs" or "Rosa Luxemborg"

(Edited by RedCeltic at 9:24 pm on Jan. 11, 2002)

red head

12th January 2002, 02:42

yes che took over a very small island with a small group of people. but che-being smart-knew that the country was disenchanted with the current regime and that guerrilla activity would get others to join the cause. also, though most cubans weren't communists, they weren't anti-communists either. they just wanted a change that happened to come in the form of communism. here in the west, we have the 1/6 or so most powerful part of the earth, where most people are doing alright and most are staunchly anti-communist. the fact that the imperialist proletariat has improved economically and not worsened as marx predicted shows us that the revolution lies in the third world. they are truly oppressed right now and the revolution lies in their hands. i honestly don't think its realistic to think that a socialist revolution will happen in much or any of the imperial nations during our lives-though nepal, peru, the phillipenese, and possibly turkey, mynamar and others may revolt. regardless, untill we have a focused plan of action and are sure we can provide a better system for hundreds of millions of people, things are going to stay the same. my advice is to read, inform, and organize. things will happen in their time.

Valkyrie

12th January 2002, 02:46

THIS IS THE TIME.

Kez

12th January 2002, 10:53

Quote: from red head on 3:42 am on Jan. 12, 2002
yes che took over a very small island with a small group of people. but che-being smart-knew that the country was disenchanted with the current regime and that guerrilla activity would get others to join the cause. also, though most cubans weren't communists, they weren't anti-communists either. they just wanted a change that happened to come in the form of communism.

Am i right in saying that if the time is right, then just a small number of people can start a snowball effect of a global revolution?

comrade kamo

Moskitto

12th January 2002, 16:57

red head, What you said I totally agree with.

It's the people who are oppessed who will try and get change. When they change they won't be oppressed by the rich nations and then the rich nations won't be able to get raw materials, prices would rise and everyone would get pissed off, thus causing a revolution.

red head

12th January 2002, 21:12

you're right kamo, a revolution can come from a small group. but he used the very non leninist revolutionary tactic of focoism instead of vanguardism. i feel the latter is a better strategy because a vanguard party first informs the masses, then attacks the enemy. focoism seems to use the opposite strategy of attacking and then saying "if you agree with us, then join us". i think its a bit selfish to think that now is the time for the imperialist revolution. sure, we want things to change, but there are people who need it much worse and they come first. the revolution should come from the outside in, not vice-versa

Valkyrie

13th January 2002, 01:29

they're are 25,000 homeless and hungry people per night being turned away from homeless shelters in NYC alone.

Imperial Power

13th January 2002, 01:30

I look forward to crushing your revolution, by that time I should be in the in the cock pit of an F-22.

CheGuevara

13th January 2002, 02:49

And also, they're are 25,000 homeless and hungry people per night being turned away from homeless shelters in NYC alone. and It gets mightly fucking cold here. Tell THOSE people to wait in line for for your ok for an imperialist revolution.

Well said, Paris.

By the way Imperialist, you're too fucking stupid to pilot an F-22.

Dreadnaht1

13th January 2002, 05:33

In response to El Che's original post: MY GOD MAN! HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND!? WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT POWER OVER THESE IDIOTS!? (No offense, Malte) Dammit man, open your eyes.

-Dread

El Che

13th January 2002, 06:09

what the fuck are you talking about dreadnauht

Son of Scargill

13th January 2002, 06:17

[quote]Quote: from Imperial Power on 2:30 am on Jan. 13, 2002
I look forward to crushing your revolution, by that time I should be in the in the cock pit of an F-22.

Christ~not another yankee fairweather pilot~OK~one or two aren t bad but I wonder why so many american companies employ brits~czechs~mexicans~irish~dutch~belgian and russian crews to fly in europe with its shitty unpredictable weather?maybe because the yank ones are crap(in general)~btw~if you turn out to be a good pilot~your ground mechanics will most likely cause your death anyway~cos ninety five per cent of them can t fix shit either~~~~~~~~good luck flyboy

El Che

13th January 2002, 06:24

i hope you crash your self into a mountain before you murder anyone. No hard feelings.

Dreadnaht1

13th January 2002, 19:40

El Che, I mean why would you want power? Power is just kind of stupid you know. It leads to corruption and greed and all that. You just looked desperate to get some at the beginning of this post. Sorry for the confusion, I made the post at like 2 oclock in the morning so I was a wee bit tired.

-Dread