a rant

[cappy pig]

you think call capitalist’s greedy? you are greedy. everyone is greedy. from the day you were born you’ve been a selfish little brat. demanding everything. “mine” is naturally a child’s way of thinking. it’s soon followed by “i didn’t do it!” – the strong go out and make their own path through life. the weak wait in the shadows and suggest something “better” while the world passes them by, then they feel cheated. they feel like the world owes them a living. THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING! SOCIETY OWES YOU NOTHING! – life isn’t fair, get a fucking gun. don’t push some misguided ideal and expect it to overthrow an established one. –keep hoping for a revolution, keep praying for a brake. see how far it gets you in the great rat race of life. communism has never worked… yes it’s arguable that there has never been a true communist state… have you not stopped to wonder why? that whole “rule through force” thing isn’t praised by this society you want to live off of. -- keep fighting your own evils, it wont get you far.

your ideals aren&#39;t possible. -- your ideals require a utopia... a utopia found through force. you&#39;re all as narrowminded as bush. <_<

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by cappy [email protected] 3 2004, 09:51 PM
you call capitalist’s greedy? you are greedy. everyone is greedy. from the day you were born you’ve been a selfish little brat. demanding everything. “mine” is naturally a child’s way of thinking. it’s soon followed by “i didn’t do it&#33;” – the strong go out and make their own path through life. the weak wait in the shadows and suggest something “better” while the world passes them by, then they feel cheated. they feel like the world owes them a living. THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; SOCIETY OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; – life isn’t fair, get a fucking gun. don’t push some misguided ideal and expect it to overthrow an established one. –keep hoping for a revolution, keep praying for a brake. see how far it gets you in the great rat race of life. communism has never worked… yes it’s arguable that there has never been a true communist state… have you not stopped to wonder why? that whole “rule through force” thing isn’t praised by this society you want to live off of. -- keep fighting your own evils, it wont get you far.

your ideals aren&#39;t possible. -- your ideals require a utopia... a utopia found through force. you&#39;re all as narrowminded as bush. <_<
And what do you have to back this up with? A child&#39;s selfishness certainly is a result of their surroundings and knowledge, and the parent has a huge role in that. Not every child from day one says "mine, mine" to everything.

[cappy pig]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 09:57 PM
And what do you have to back this up with? A child&#39;s selfishness certainly is a result of their surroundings and knowledge, and the parent has a huge role in that. Not every child from day one says "mine, mine" to everything.
it’s called existentialism, read up. – there’s no hard evidence, but have you ever known a child that doesn’t fit that description?

what do you have to back up communism but theory? a theory that&#39;s been proven time and time again to be useless to any large populous.

human nature is my evidence.

[Individual]

First off, why do you feel compelled to take all that time and register a name on a &#39;communist&#39; forum?

Do you feel you have now completed part of your life by giving us your opinion? I hope so, otherwise what you just did is worthless.

Narrowminded?

Interesting, as you can&#39;t seem to except other opinions. Are you positive communism won&#39;t work? Do you know this for a fact? Because if it is not a fact, then quite frankly, I could care less on your two cent assumption.

Judging by your grammar, your overall intelligence, and your ability to have an open-mind, what you say has absolutely no merit to my, nor many others feelings. Feel free to assume your philosophy on society, we have ours. Don&#39;t come in here and call us narrowminded, as you are being narrowminded. What&#39;s the word, ah yes, hypocrisy.

Good bye.

[cappy pig]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:03 PM
First off, why do you feel compelled to take all that time and register a name on a &#39;communist&#39; forum?

Do you feel you have now completed part of your life by giving us your opinion? I hope so, otherwise what you just did is worthless.

Narrowminded?

Interesting, as you can&#39;t seem to except other opinions. Are you positive communism won&#39;t work? Do you know this for a fact? Because if it is not a fact, then quite frankly, I could care less on your two cent assumption.

Judging by your grammar, your overall intelligence, and your ability to have an open-mind, what you say has absolutely no merit to my, nor many others feelings. Feel free to assume your philosophy on society, we have ours. Don&#39;t come in here and call us narrowminded, as you are being narrowminded. What&#39;s the word, ah yes, hypocrisy.

Good bye.

i want to see how it&#39;s defended. -- i was open minded. i read the whole fucking manifesto. i know the theory. the whole genocide thing that keeps following you commies around should be enough fucking evidence. -- i like how china&#39;s turning out... yeah and russia had a good run at it. -- cuba&#33; how fucking small and insignificant is cuba&#33;?&#33;?&#33; that&#39;s not prosperity, that’s fucking ignorance. MY EVIDENCE IS ALL AROUND YOU&#33;

and not to stay on the communism topic... socialism... who here would use sweden as a prime example of socialism? i hear their suicide rates are pretty impressive.

[cappy pig]

and yes, i&#39;m sure you get a bunch of capitalist pigs coming through here. and i&#39;m sure the vast majority don&#39;t know the first thing about communism... i do. i also know that you are what you hate... i&#39;ll go out on a limb and say that everyone of you owns a computer... therefore you&#39;re either middle class and above or damn near. *cough*bourgeoisie*cough* so try not to throw around that hypocrite word too much lest you become the latter.

[LuZhiming]

it’s called existentialism, read up. – there’s no hard evidence, but have you ever known a child that doesn’t fit that description?

Yes.


what do you have to back up communism but theory? a theory that&#39;s been proven time and time again to be useless to any large populous.

I never said Communism will happen. But you have absolutely nothing to back up the idea that it wouldn&#39;t ever happen. I would imagine centuries ago Emperors would have laughed at the idea of Human Rights organizations.


human nature is my evidence.

And of course, by human nature you mean your assumptions of human nature. Which translates to: nil.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by cappy [email protected] 3 2004, 09:51 PM
you think call capitalist’s greedy? you are greedy. everyone is greedy. from the day you were born you’ve been a selfish little brat. demanding everything. “mine” is naturally a child’s way of thinking. it’s soon followed by “i didn’t do it&#33;” – the strong go out and make their own path through life. the weak wait in the shadows and suggest something “better” while the world passes them by, then they feel cheated. they feel like the world owes them a living. THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; SOCIETY OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; – life isn’t fair, get a fucking gun. don’t push some misguided ideal and expect it to overthrow an established one. –keep hoping for a revolution, keep praying for a brake. see how far it gets you in the great rat race of life. communism has never worked… yes it’s arguable that there has never been a true communist state… have you not stopped to wonder why? that whole “rule through force” thing isn’t praised by this society you want to live off of. -- keep fighting your own evils, it wont get you far.

your ideals aren&#39;t possible. -- your ideals require a utopia... a utopia found through force. you&#39;re all as narrowminded as bush. <_<
It sounds like you nicked a portion of Dennis Leary&#39;s stand up routine...I reckon you forgot that there is a reson it&#39;s called "comedy".

[Individual]

Hey,

here&#39;s something to try: read and post outside of your own thread&#33; You might learn something.

Not once on this board have I declared myself a communist. The topic of owning computers has already come up. The topic of hypocrisy has, believe it or not, also come up. Imagine this, the topic of condemning people like you has also come up. So hey, nothing new here.

So wait, because there are computers at my working job, that means that I am not working class? How much do your parents pay you a week in allowance? Just curious.

You are right, I do own a computer. Have you ever heard of payment plans? Maybe you don&#39;t have to be rich to buy a computer. Imagine that one.

To your &#39;human nature&#39; argument. Can you prove that it is human nature to be greedy? I cannot think of the man that conducted the test, but did you ever hear about taking babies and raising them in a different atmosphere? It is not human nature that makes us greedy. It is society. For you to come in here and use your &#39;human nature&#39; arguments, makes your &#39;words&#39; not valid. Again, are you a leading scientist? Can you prove that it is human nature to be greedy? You can&#39;t prove it, just as much as I can&#39;t disprove it. So please don&#39;t come in here and try and blow all of us out of the water with your &#39;communism won&#39;t work&#39; rant. It doesn&#39;t work.

Don&#39;t go throwing the word hypocrisy around? Are you joking me? Where is the law that anyone that is not &#39;wealthy&#39; cannot be a communist? Who was being the hypocrite here? Maybe the narrowminded comment rings a bell?

[cappy pig]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:21 PM
you have absolutely nothing to back up the idea that it wouldn&#39;t ever happen
that&#39;s like saying... well no we can&#39;t prove that there&#39;s a god. but if you can&#39;t disprove it that makes it real. -- it&#39;s been attempted but to no avail. guess what beat it out? capitalism. because capitalism breeds a stronger dog so to speak.

everything comes down to your philosophy. political, economic, social philosophy. yours has been beaten, repeatedly. yours requires that the entire state is atheist… that’s not possible. i hate organized religion as much as the next commie but i’m not about to put a bullet through a bible thumpers head because this “opium” that he spreads is bad for the state.

[cappy pig]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 3 2004, 10:28 PM
It sounds like you nicked a portion of Dennis Leary&#39;s stand up routine...I reckon you forgot that there is a reson it&#39;s called "comedy".
life isn&#39;t fair, get a fucking gun? it&#39;s true. it&#39;s dog eat dog.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by cappy [email protected] 3 2004, 11:06 PM
that&#39;s like saying... well no we can&#39;t prove that there&#39;s a god. but if you can&#39;t disprove it that makes it real. -- it&#39;s been attempted but to no avail. guess what beat it out? capitalism. because capitalism breeds a stronger dog so to speak.

everything comes down to your philosophy. political, economic, social philosophy. yours has been beaten, repeatedly. yours requires that the entire state is atheist… that’s not possible. i hate organized religion as much as the next commie but i’m not about to put a bullet through a bible thumpers head because this “opium” that he spreads is bad for the state.
:lol: Exactly, and you&#39;re the one trying to pass off your philosophy as fact, not the other way around.

[Individual]

your ideals aren&#39;t possible.


that&#39;s like saying... well no we can&#39;t prove that there&#39;s a god. but if you can&#39;t disprove it that makes it real. -- it&#39;s been attempted but to no avail

[cappy pig]

Originally posted by AlwaysQuestion+Mar 3 2004, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AlwaysQuestion @ Mar 3 2004, 10:33 PM)Not once on this board have I declared myself a communist. [/b]

then what are you?


Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:33 PM
So wait, because there are computers at my working job, that means that I am not working class? How much do your parents pay you a week in allowance? Just curious.

if you take some time and read a little you might observe that i called you the working class because you have a computer. and i pay my own bills.


Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:33 PM
You are right, I do own a computer. Have you ever heard of payment plans? Maybe you don&#39;t have to be rich to buy a computer. Imagine that one.

hmmm, a computer... and internet. i suppose that you starve yourself to sleep every night. wake the fuck up.


Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:33 PM
To your &#39;human nature&#39; argument. Can you prove that it is human nature to be greedy? I cannot think of the man that conducted the test, but did you ever hear about taking babies and raising them in a different atmosphere? It is not human nature that makes us greedy. It is society. For you to come in here and use your &#39;human nature&#39; arguments, makes your &#39;words&#39; not valid. Again, are you a leading scientist? Can you prove that it is human nature to be greedy? You can&#39;t prove it, just as much as I can&#39;t disprove it. So please don&#39;t come in here and try and blow all of us out of the water with your &#39;communism won&#39;t work&#39; rant. It doesn&#39;t work.

:lol: well give me an example of where communism has worked then... i like china, they tell you how many kids you can have. ohhh and russia was cool for a couple years. really economically sound.


[email protected] 3 2004, 10:33 PM
Don&#39;t go throwing the word hypocrisy around? Are you joking me? Where is the law that anyone that is not &#39;wealthy&#39; cannot be a communist? Who was being the hypocrite here? Maybe the narrowminded comment rings a bell?

you can be wealthy and be communist. how much money do you pump into society? if you see a bum do you walk over and open your wallet to him? why not? he just like you. "the man" is keeping him down. he&#39;s your brother... his breath just reeks of vodka and dog food but he&#39;s the same child of this oppressive society... how did he end up there? bad luck? i think not. he quit. he&#39;s a fucking quitter.

what makes you a hypocrite is when you buy or finance a computer made by these capitalistic companies... i&#39;m sure there&#39;s more. what kind of car do you drive? don&#39;t drive? what kind of bike do you ride? you walk? who made your shoes? who made your socks? where do you wash your clothes? the list goes on.

[cappy pig]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 11:15 PM
:lol: Exactly, and you&#39;re the one trying to pass off your philosophy as fact, not the other way around.
what isn&#39;t tied to a personal philosophy? everything you argue on this website is some form of science... everything is a philosophy, so why should anyone listen to what you have to say?

i don&#39;t see much hard sciences in your posts either my friend.

[monkeydust]

I&#39;m a bit bored, so I think I&#39;ll reply to this garbage: Forgive my quotathon.


you think call capitalist’s greedy? you are greedy. everyone is greedy. from the day you were born you’ve been a selfish little brat. demanding everything. “mine” is naturally a child’s way of thinking


Are children all greedy? I don&#39;t think so myself, yet does this necessarily have huge implications upon human nature overall, and does it prove that communism will never work?

Assuming children are all greedy (which they&#39;re not in my opinion) does this necessarily mean that all rational adults are greedy? Can the behaviour of children not merely be based upon irrational whims, natural to a childs survival.

Should we simply advocate greed because it&#39;s natural? If violence is natural, should we actively support that also? Why is what is natural necessarily what is right ?



the strong go out and make their own path through life. the weak wait in the shadows and suggest something “better” while the world passes them by, then they feel cheated.

Was Marx weak? Doesn&#39;t it take greater strength to question accepted traditions and try, with great opposition to change what you can because you believe it&#39;s to be essentially right?


life isn’t fair, get a fucking gun.

Is this supposed to have some deep meaning?


communism has never worked… yes it’s arguable that there has never been a true communist state…

This sums it up. It&#39;s never worked, it&#39;s never been tried. Perhaps there&#39;s a link here methinks.........



read the whole fucking manifesto. i know the theory. the whole genocide thing that keeps following you commies around should be enough fucking evidence.

You clearly haven&#39;t read it thouroughly my friend. Where does Marx advocate any form of genocide?


cuba&#33; how fucking small and insignificant is cuba&#33;?&#33;?&#33; that&#39;s not prosperity, that’s fucking ignorance.

I know what you mean, it was so much bigger under Batista, in geographical size that is, and so much more prosperous.

In fact considering it&#39;s size and the scale of international oppoisition facing it, Cuba does surprisingly well. It is the only LEDC (forgive my PC&#39;ness) to have high life expectancy and literacy rates, good health standards and education. In fact the average life expectancy in Cuba is higher than that in the US, as are the literacy rates.


who here would use sweden as a prime example of socialism?

Not me. Anyone?


therefore you&#39;re either middle class and above or damn near.

Granted, I&#39;m not working class. I am however, far below Middle class standards.

I&#39;m really quite confident that if we were all working class you would say to us: "Your&#39;e only Left Wing because you&#39;re poor and wan&#39;t more for yourselves&#33;"

Doesn&#39;t the fact that many people on here are middle class and still advocate communism show how they have objectively studied the ideology, judging it on it&#39;s intrinsic merits, rather than by &#39;what benefits them&#39; show some strength in the ideology itself?



Sorry for the lack of articulation in this post, I&#39;m afraid I hadn&#39;t the time to do more than a vague rant.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by cappy [email protected] 3 2004, 05:51 PM
you think call capitalist’s greedy? you are greedy. everyone is greedy. from the day you were born you’ve been a selfish little brat. demanding everything. “mine” is naturally a child’s way of thinking. it’s soon followed by “i didn’t do it&#33;” – the strong go out and make their own path through life. the weak wait in the shadows and suggest something “better” while the world passes them by, then they feel cheated. they feel like the world owes them a living. THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; SOCIETY OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; – life isn’t fair, get a fucking gun. don’t push some misguided ideal and expect it to overthrow an established one. –keep hoping for a revolution, keep praying for a brake. see how far it gets you in the great rat race of life. communism has never worked… yes it’s arguable that there has never been a true communist state… have you not stopped to wonder why? that whole “rule through force” thing isn’t praised by this society you want to live off of. -- keep fighting your own evils, it wont get you far.

your ideals aren&#39;t possible. -- your ideals require a utopia... a utopia found through force. you&#39;re all as narrowminded as bush. <_<
I want a golden goose that lays golden eggs&#33;

[Individual]

MM:

That was great&#33;

Where did you go about finding that picture?

Couldn&#39;t have summed up this self-proclaimed capitalist pig&#39;s attitude any better.

Hands down.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by cappy [email protected] 3 2004, 11:27 PM
what isn&#39;t tied to a personal philosophy? everything you argue on this website is some form of science... everything is a philosophy, so why should anyone listen to what you have to say?

i don&#39;t see much hard sciences in your posts either my friend.
:rolleyes: I think you know exactly what I mean. Your post is basically saying: "This is what I have seen, this is what will always happen." You have never seen a child that does not act greedy, therefore such children do not exist. That is your entire arguement.

[Individual]

then what are you?

A male human being. What are you?


if you take some time and read a little you might observe that i called you the working class because you have a computer. and i pay my own bills.

No. If you took your time and read, you would clearly see that you said I was either middle class, or bourgeois; there was no &#39;working class&#39; in your description.


hmmm, a computer... and internet. i suppose that you starve yourself to sleep every night. wake the fuck up.

I am awake, atleast I am pretty sure. I have been known to sleep walk I must say. (Smart ass remarks for a smart ass, gotta love it)

What I was implying with the fact of a &#39;payment plan&#39; was that I do not pay everything up front. Clearly due to the fact that I did not have the money up front. Where has the starving myself issue come into play? Food does not set me back upwards of &#036;600 in a single day.


well give me an example of where communism has worked then... i like china, they tell you how many kids you can have. ohhh and russia was cool for a couple years. really economically sound.

You keep bringing up China as if it is communist. And you can thank the good ole&#39; US for making the USSR get close to bankruptcy. Capitalism at its finest.


how much money do you pump into society? if you see a bum do you walk over and open your wallet to him? why not? he just like you. "the man" is keeping him down. he&#39;s your brother... his breath just reeks of vodka and dog food but he&#39;s the same child of this oppressive society... how did he end up there? bad luck? i think not. he quit. he&#39;s a fucking quitter.

He very well may be a quitter. However that is a problem with your philosophy. Don&#39;t blame the homeless man on my philosophy. Capitalism did that to him, not Marxism.


what makes you a hypocrite is when you buy or finance a computer made by these capitalistic companies... i&#39;m sure there&#39;s more. what kind of car do you drive? don&#39;t drive? what kind of bike do you ride? you walk? who made your shoes? who made your socks? where do you wash your clothes? the list goes on.

So you think that I should make my own socks? You think I should make my own computer? Hello&#33; I do not buy material items. Living in this country, I must buy neccessities in order to survive. And I&#39;m waiting for you to bring up "a computer isn&#39;t a neccessity". When you do, go ahead and ask what is my occupation.


Not me. Anyone?

Honestly, really never knew Sweden was considered Socialist. Humph?

[Redalias]

When the child says "mine&#33;" and takes what is not his, the adult teaches him that doing so is wrong. Why is that you think?

It is because the adult understands we must respect others if we wish to be respected, that the other is deserving of consideration. A notion of justice comes into play. Without these things social coexistence is impossible. It has nothing to do with "human nature" (or what you perceive as such) and everything to do with what is socially acceptable.

You have your say in what is socially acceptable, will you stand for raising the justice bar or rather for the perpetuation of the baser, viler things in our societies?

[Individual]

Honestly what is it with all of these "new" members that come on and just so happened to have opposing views? Then they tend to side with the other new members. I swear it&#39;s a conspiracy here.

It has to be one of three options:

They are all the same person making new ID&#39;s (likely)

They are from a different forum and all got togethor to spam and irritate us (very likely)

It is mere coincidence and I am crazy (not very likely, maybe only in one or two cases)

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by cappy [email protected] 3 2004, 09:51 PM
you think call capitalist’s greedy? you are greedy. everyone is greedy. from soon followed by “i didn’t do it&#33;” –the day you were born you’ve been a selfish little brat. demanding everything. “mine” is naturally a child’s way of thinking. it’s the strong go out and make their own path through life. the weak wait in the shadows and suggest something “better” while the world passes them by, then they feel cheated. they feel like the world owes them a living. THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; SOCIETY OWES YOU NOTHING&#33; – life isn’t fair, get a fucking gun. don’t push some misguided ideal and expect it to overthrow an established one. –keep hoping for a revolution, keep praying for a brake. see how far it gets you in the great rat race of life. communism has never worked… yes it’s arguable that there has never been a true communist state… have you not stopped to wonder why? that whole “rule through force” thing isn’t praised by this society you want to live off of. -- keep fighting your own evils, it wont get you far.

your ideals aren&#39;t possible. -- your ideals require a utopia... a utopia found through force. you&#39;re all as narrowminded as bush. <_<
So according to this I suppose you are on the "strong" side. I&#39;m sorry to tell you this, but your argument is stupid. You are so weak that you accept the establishment and become it&#39;s whore. It&#39;s always the same argument you cappies post: we are made to compete and those who don&#39;t are for some unexplainable reason "losers". But most people I knew with that attitude don&#39;t seem to be such "winners" or "strong". Plus how do you measure strength???


what do you have to back up communism but theory? a theory that&#39;s been proven time and time again to be useless to any large populous.

human nature is my evidence.

So you first try to prove that "communism" doesn&#39;t "work" claiming that the only thing that "we" use to back it up is theory, and then you claim that your evidence is SOMETHING THAT CAN&#39;T BE PROVEN??? :rolleyes:


yours requires that the entire state is atheist… that’s not possible.

Who said that?


what makes you a hypocrite is when you buy or finance a computer made by these capitalistic companies... i&#39;m sure there&#39;s more. what kind of car do you drive? don&#39;t drive? what kind of bike do you ride? you walk? who made your shoes? who made your socks? where do you wash your clothes? the list goes on.

Nobody said thosr things we "evil". The only thing that most of us here ask is that nobody gains excessive profit from those who make the cars and bikes, the washing machines, the socks, the shoes, etc.

[synthesis]

yours requires that the entire state is atheist… that’s not possible. i hate organized religion as much as the next commie but i’m not about to put a bullet through a bible thumpers head because this “opium” that he spreads is bad for the state.

Actually, under Lenin, the U.S.S.R. had freedom of religion and seperation of church and state, Western-style. Stalin was the one who started actively persecuting the religious.