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Osman Ghazi
3rd March 2004, 12:48
I just saw on CBC Newsworld that China is going to change its constitution to accept protection of private property, the most basic tenet of capitalism.

Well, the dream is over.

RedAnarchist
3rd March 2004, 12:51
Dream? What dream?

China has been capitalist for years!

Red Guard
3rd March 2004, 13:16
China has turned into nothing more than a capitalist parasite. Mao must be rolling over in his tomb.

Saint-Just
3rd March 2004, 16:27
I agree, China is very much like the U.S. It has no socialist ideas at all and actively suppresses any basic socialist ideas. I have talked with a lot of Chinese people, this is what is made clear from speaking to them. They say China is a socialist country however they see the current economic environment as permanent and are full of capitalist rhetoric about competition, private property and entrepreneurship.
The CPPRC has many factions, but they are all oppressive, capitalist, reactionary factions. In the Mao years people discussed politics and political ideas a lot. Now no one must discuss political ideas, not even the ones the government favours since thinking at all about politics leaves someone in danger of grasping progressive ideas. Thus the whole educational and media atmosphere there is intellectually depressing and less free than even America, as such it is a worse capitalist country.

Comrade Yars
3rd March 2004, 20:46
Not that it pertains to the matters of Capitalism, however I can't help but wonder how long it will be before China changes their national Flag as it clearly bears the resemblence of "Communism".

Osman Ghazi
3rd March 2004, 23:54
Not that it pertains to the matters of Capitalism, however I can't help but wonder how long it will be before China changes their national Flag as it clearly bears the resemblence of "Communism".

I'd give China about a decade before the Communist rhetoric fades out entirely and is replaced by that of capitalism. I can't imagine the flag could last much longer than that.

SittingBull47
4th March 2004, 14:40
yea, not really surprising but they're really starting to borrow some western philosophy.

Saint-Just
4th March 2004, 16:33
China's flag represents socialism and Chinese nationalism. The five stars are China, Tibet, Hong Kong, Maxao and Taiwan. They still call themselves socialist, but as has been said it won't be long.

Winston Smith
4th March 2004, 17:35
China whent capitalist a long time ago people.

kingbee
6th March 2004, 13:10
mao would be slightly pissed off.

the thing that pissed me off more was about 2 years ago, when they announced theyd let business owners into the party. what?!

how ironic- mao said " in 50 years, in 2001, china will be a socialist, industrialised state". oh dear.

Cyberian
7th March 2004, 15:59
So China is adopting some Rigthist ideas. That makes it a Capitalist? If I was 25% Black and 75% White, does it make me a full Black?

China is just trying to beat America at their own game now. After the game is over, you will see it lean back more to the left. China maybe borrowing some ideas from the Right; nonetheless, it is still on the left side.

I see it as China is borrowing ideas from the Right to rival with America and surpass them; make them collapse or degrade them at least. As long as America remains dominant, the Left World would not last long. Once America falls, China will resume position.

North Korea is more left than China. I do not see it making any progress. The "Dear Leader" is starving his people to feed his military to prepare for the next war and solve all the problems after a united Communist Korea triumphs. That could happen, but it is likely North Korea would collapse first since a WW3 is not likely to be happening soon.

Cuba is too opening its doors wider. It is asking for foreign investments.

There is no such thing as pure Communism just as there is no such thing as pure Capitalism.

Saint-Just
8th March 2004, 20:55
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 04:59 PM
So China is adopting some Rigthist ideas. That makes it a Capitalist? If I was 25% Black and 75% White, does it make me a full Black?

China is just trying to beat America at their own game now. After the game is over, you will see it lean back more to the left. China maybe borrowing some ideas from the Right; nonetheless, it is still on the left side.

I see it as China is borrowing ideas from the Right to rival with America and surpass them; make them collapse or degrade them at least. As long as America remains dominant, the Left World would not last long. Once America falls, China will resume position.

North Korea is more left than China. I do not see it making any progress. The "Dear Leader" is starving his people to feed his military to prepare for the next war and solve all the problems after a united Communist Korea triumphs. That could happen, but it is likely North Korea would collapse first since a WW3 is not likely to be happening soon.

Cuba is too opening its doors wider. It is asking for foreign investments.

There is no such thing as pure Communism just as there is no such thing as pure Capitalism.
You are right, but the stage is not temporary. If you read the various works of leaders like Deng Xiaoping or Hu Jintao they talk about revising Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong thought, how times have changed etc. They call the current economic stage socialism. They say that if China was a capitalist society then perhaps 10% of the population would be very rich and the rest would be poor. But, that China will make all its citisens similarly wealthy, this is clearly not the case. In China there are many poor people who are very poor because the state has made them unemployed. There are also a very small percentage of very rich. The party itself has deviated from the Maoist line, it is full of factions, who are all revisionist.

The fact is that China has completely changed its ideas, it calls the gang of four traitors, in reality they were in close collusion with Mao. Deng Xiaoping and those who inherited his ideas are the traitors. The currenty economic stage is not like the NEP. You can say that this economic development will benefit the country, however the same kind of growth was being achieved under Mao. The DPRK was outstripping South Korea in the 70s, its problems are not with it possessing a socialist economy. If you are a socialist you will not criticise the ability of a socialist style economy.

Chinese say they are ushering in a new era, and they all have right-wing ideas about this new era.