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el_profe
2nd March 2004, 18:22
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3527221.stm

Anyone here finds any justification in those terrorist attacking civilians in Iraq?
Since everyone here excuses the palestinian terrorist i would like to see them excuse these terrorist?

Also in Pakistan another 47 shia muslims where killed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3524851.stm

Intifada
2nd March 2004, 18:27
im not going to excuse this. it is simply an act of terror. it is a tragedy.

however, the invasion of iraq is the reason for the terrorist attacks on iraqi civilians.

el_profe
2nd March 2004, 18:58
No, also in Pakistan shia muslims where killed in attacks. It seems like its an attack on shia muslims. I dont get it why muslim extremist terrorist would want to attack other muslims

Intifada
2nd March 2004, 19:17
this isnt the first attack on innocent iraqis since the occupation began. terrorists seem to be targetting their own people aswell as the invaders ever since the occupation began. i dont think there is anything wrong in killing an invader, but innocent iraqis, that is a step too far.


I dont get it why muslim extremist terrorist would want to attack other muslims

there is a lot of persecution between different sects in islam. just like the rivalry between protestants and catholics, there is rivalry between islamic sects. for example sunni muslims and shiite muslims. pakistan has a terrible record of persecution of some islamic sects, in particular ahmadi muslims.

thats religion for you.

cubist
2nd March 2004, 19:47
el_profe,

palestinians are terrorists, what are the isrealites?

i don't excuse terrorism but, america and isreal are among those that are terrorists only they are terrorist with military support.


do you excuse america for its unilateral action? and all the dead civillians?

LuZhiming
2nd March 2004, 20:45
:angry: All el_profe ever has is propaganda! No one is justifying the acts of these terrorists. They wouldn't even be around if the U.S. wasn't in Iraq, or if the U.S. hadn't blocked so many attempts to overthrow Saddam over the years. The U.S. needs to get the hell out, stop pointing out the atrocities of the opposition as some sort of justification. The U.S. soldiers have been terrorizing Iraq much more so than the resistance.

iloveatomickitten
2nd March 2004, 21:13
" All el_profe ever has is propaganda"

Very little that is ever said isn't. We pick what evidence supports our views and give it in the belief that we are objective in our reason but we are not, to accuse someone of being a "propagandist" is arrogant and self righteous crap.

"The U.S. soldiers have been terrorizing Iraq much more so than the resistance. "

If not propaganda then what? The rest of your post is no different and perhaps the greatest part of it is that you make no attempt to even give evidence to support your claims, not what you would expect from such a hardline anti-propagandist.

LuZhiming
2nd March 2004, 22:44
Very little that is ever said isn't. We pick what evidence supports our views and give it in the belief that we are objective in our reason but we are not, to accuse someone of being a "propagandist" is arrogant and self righteous crap.

These sort of technicalities are ridicolous tactics to use in an attempt to prove a person wrong. It's just like saying "You lie to!!!111" to a person that accuses another person of being a liar after that person told a lie.


If not propaganda then what? The rest of your post is no different and perhaps the greatest part of it is that you make no attempt to even give evidence to support your claims, not what you would expect from such a hardline anti-propagandist.

I thought these two actions alone would be obvious enough:

- Indiscriminate bombings
- Killing of civillians and police officers due to recklessness(If you really need examples of this I can give them to you, but the press has been all over these.)

Severian
3rd March 2004, 02:56
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 01:58 PM
No, also in Pakistan shia muslims where killed in attacks. It seems like its an attack on shia muslims. I dont get it why muslim extremist terrorist would want to attack other muslims
You might as well ask: Why have so many Protestants been killed by Catholics, and so many Catholics been killed by Protestants? They're all Christians, right? (In both cases, it's not just sectarian bigotry...there are also underlying political and economic causes making use of sectarian bigotry.)

From the viewpoint of the U.S. occupation, this is definitely a Good Thing. The more division and conflict between Shi'a and Sunni Iraqis, the less likely that they will unite against the occupation.

The current armed resistance, based almost entirely among Sunni Arabs, and to a large extent among supporters of the former regime, is unlikely to be able to evict the occupiers. Some Shi'a groups, including opponents of the former regime, are critical of the occupation, but unwilling to take up arms against it at this time. Many Kurds continue to want independence, and even the PUK and KDP leaders want more autonomy than Washington will grant. Resistance to the occupation, in order to be successful, would have to transcend Iraq's nationality and religious-sectarian divisions.

But clearly, much of the current resistance has a lot of anti-Shia bigotry, whether because they're Baathists, "Wahhabis", or just attached to the traditional Sunni domination of Iraq. I'm all for the victory of any Third-World force attempting to resist imperialism....but you can't expect too much of any bourgeois-led force. "Only the workers and peasants will go all the way" as Sandino said, and he wasn't even a communist.

One reason for the traditional Sunni political dominance: the religous-sectarian division of Iraq does run along class lines to some extent. In areas of mixed population, the Shi'a are disproportionately workers and peasants, and most of the propertied classes are Sunni. Basically because the poor have been more likely to convert to Shi'ism over the past several centuries. Probably Shi'a rejection of existing governments was more appealing to the poor.

Invader Zim
3rd March 2004, 10:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 09:45 PM
They wouldn't even be around if the U.S. wasn't in Iraq, or if the U.S. hadn't blocked so many attempts to overthrow Saddam over the years. The U.S. needs to get the hell out, stop pointing out the atrocities of the opposition as some sort of justification. The U.S. soldiers have been terrorizing Iraq much more so than the resistance.
They wouldn't even be around if the U.S. wasn't in Iraq,

Well I think they would, they just would have been with Saddam eating in palaces, and strapping electrodes to people who speak aganst the regime. Of course some are from other parts of the Islamic world, and hate the US because of a varied number of issues. I also suspect a few are the families of those killed in US bombing, but I suspect that they are a minority.

or if the U.S. hadn't blocked so many attempts to overthrow Saddam over the years.

Indeed.

. The U.S. needs to get the hell out

Indeed.

stop pointing out the atrocities of the opposition as some sort of justification.

Indeed.

The U.S. soldiers have been terrorizing Iraq much more so than the resistance.

Debatable.

iloveatomickitten
3rd March 2004, 10:31
It's just like saying "You lie to!!!111"


Thats exactly what I'm saying, I was attacking your clear hipocrisy.

ÑóẊîöʼn
3rd March 2004, 10:37
Aaah Enigma, always willing to crawl out from whatever stone your hiding under in defence of u$ and £ritish imperialism... here we go...


Well I think they would, they just would have been with Saddam eating in palaces, and strapping electrodes to people who speak aganst the regime. Of course some are from other parts of the Islamic world, and hate the US because of a varied number of issues. I also suspect a few are the families of those killed in US bombing, but I suspect that they are a minority.

But it's alright for the imperialist mercenaries to commit atrocities, they're doing it in the name of democracy. We should be proud eh?

Crawl back under that stone.


Thats exactly what I'm saying, I was attacking your clear hipocrisy.

And the point of that, precisely?

LuZhiming
3rd March 2004, 20:52
Well I think they would, they just would have been with Saddam eating in palaces, and strapping electrodes to people who speak aganst the regime. Of course some are from other parts of the Islamic world, and hate the US because of a varied number of issues. I also suspect a few are the families of those killed in US bombing, but I suspect that they are a minority.

Why haven't you suspected there are people that simply don't like being occupied fighting the occupation? Nationalists?

General A.A.Vlasov
4th March 2004, 07:47
KA:" Seems to me, that Pakistan is bush's puppet, like blair! They're killing their own citizens to find bin Laden...no, of course I hope he will die...another day...after bush! :D "