china

[Anarchist Freedom]

my dad having gone to china numerous times and spent many a weeks there he knows whats it like. He says that since china is probably more capatilist then amerca that soon one day its going to more powerful then america its economy is already on its way to becoming the most powerful nation in the world economically with all the major coporations moving to China for labor the economy is going to grow like no other....



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CGLM! (http://www.cglm.tk)

[Scottish_Militant]

China is just a shit capitalist economy...

[kadamangudy]

the Chinese pretend to be communist so that they dont have to hold free elections.
Free elections will lead to organized labor and then they wont have as much low cost labor.

[Fidel Castro]

The growth of capitalism in China will bring with it a growing social gap. China will become more and more like the United States and it wouldn't surprise me if down the line China becomes the new superpower. It certainly has much capitalist potential.

It's always sad to see a socialist nation take the path of capitalism. China had so much potential.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 10:17 PM

It's always sad to see a socialist nation take the path of capitalism. China had so much potential.

Indeed, it's a shame the mass murders, forced starvation and cultural genocide had to stop.
Indeed, but it was not the introduction of capitalism that stopped the famine etc. Because all you have to do is look at the capitalist countries, who suck off the udders of corporate America, and commit crimes, attrocities, suffer from famines and forced starvation which are on par with any communist dictatorship, and thats the good ones.

Just a good song which aptly describes capitalist influence upon the world... you would like it: -

IfwhiteAmericatoldthetruthforonedayitsworldwouldfa llapart

"Next Thursday you're invited to watch Rising Tides live coverage
of a gala tribute in salute to Ronald Reagan. Host Haily Barber
joins special guest lady Margaret Thatcher in celebrating the
former president's 83 birthday. Ticket's are 1000 Dollars a plate
but you can see the event free on GOP TV.

Images of perfection, suntan and napalm
Grenada - Haiti - Poland - Nicaragua
Who shall we choose for our morality
I'm thinking right now of Hollywood tragedy

Big mac: smack: phoenix r: please smile y'all
Cuba, Mexico can't cauterize our discipline
Your idols speak so much of the abyss
Yet your morals only run as deep as the surface

Cool - groovy - morning - fine
Tipper Gore was a friend of mine
I love a free country
The stars and stripes and an apple for mommy

Conservative say there ain't no black in the union jack
Democrat say there ain't enough white in the stars and stripes

Compton - Harlem - a pimp fucked a priest
The white man has just found a new moral saviour
Vital stats - how white was their skin
Unimportant - just another inner-city drive-by thing

Morning - fine - serve your first coffee of the day
Real privilege, it will take your problems all away
Number one - the best - no excuse from me
I am here to serve the moral majority

Cool - groovy - morning - fine
Tipper Gore was a friend of mine
I love a free country
The stars and stripes and an apple for mommy

Zapruder the first to masturbate
The world's first taste of crucified grace
And we say there's not enough black in the union jack
And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes

Fuck the Brady bill
Fuck the Brady bill
If God made man they say
Sam Colt made him equal"

[Fidel Castro]

The United States has supported, defended or allied itself with dictators or tyranical regimes in the past;

Pol Pot - Cambodia
Fulgenico Batista - Cuba
Augusto Pinochet - Chile
Saddam Hussein - Iraq
Saudi Royals - Saudi Arabia
Aristide - Haiti (under Clinton)
Taliban - Afghanistan (according to Michael Morre's book)

These are the few I remember off the top of my head, if anyone can think of any more then feel free to add them. I was going to add Stalin also, but was unsure because it was a war alliance.

Can I also ask how Che was a war criminal? I don't recall him following the US example of bombing civilians, installing dictators or faking Weapons of Mass Distruction. Please enlighten me.

[synthesis]

WTF? Examples?

Try the Congo, Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Indonesia, Duvalier-era Haiti, post-Soviet Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Noriega-era Panama, Fascist Greece, post-Sihanouk Cambodia, Thailand, military-ruled Brazil, Pinochet-era Chile, Guyana... I could go on, if you wanted.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Do you know the % of chineese unemployment!?
- around 70%!

And you call it progressive economy!?

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 1 2004, 07:49 AM
Do you know the % of chineese unemployment!?
- around 70%!

And you call it progressive economy!?
Source?

The OECD gives very different numbers. And they are very progressive, the protection of private property will be added in the constitution.

[New Tolerance]

The unemployment rate is actually predicted to be around 8 to 10 percent. Even though the government says it's 3 percent.

[New Tolerance]

Here's an article about China counter-attacking, the US's human right's criticisms:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4422103/

[Y2A]

Any nation inwhich the state owns industry is not "capitalist".

[Dirty Commie]

China has an elite Communist Party ruling class who live with wealth and have access to the best technology, medicare, and living standards in Asia, while the other 70% have to live and work in near slave like conditions. They are not capitalist, but do have privatized property, multi-national corporations such as wal-mart making millions, poor labor laws (workers are considered "disposable" by my friend who has visited factories there as part of a business training program). They are oppressive state capitalists, and as socialist as Saddam Hussein was (they do have guarenteed housing, though it is little more than the right to live in a slum).

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 1 2004, 11:52 PM
China has an elite Communist Party ruling class who live with wealth and have access to the best technology, medicare, and living standards in Asia, while the other 70% have to live and work in near slave like conditions. They are not capitalist, but do have privatized property, multi-national corporations such as wal-mart making millions, poor labor laws (workers are considered "disposable" by my friend who has visited factories there as part of a business training program). They are oppressive state capitalists, and as socialist as Saddam Hussein was (they do have guarenteed housing, though it is little more than the right to live in a slum).
I never said they were communist, I just said they were not capitalist. And if not for a centralized government which was brought upon by the immense stupidity of the Maoist revolutionaries, none of this would have happened.

Edit: Took out the "not communist" I meant to say, "I never said they were communist".

[New Tolerance]

I never said they were not communist, I just said they were not capitalist. And if not for a centralized government which was brought upon by the immense stupidity of the Maoist revolutionaries, none of this would have happened.


hey

[Y2A]

Originally posted by New [email protected] 2 2004, 12:04 AM

I never said they were not communist, I just said they were not capitalist. And if not for a centralized government which was brought upon by the immense stupidity of the Maoist revolutionaries, none of this would have happened.


hey
Is it not the truth?

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 11:43 PM
Any nation inwhich the state owns industry is not "capitalist".
Then no state in the world is capitalist, they all own elements of industry. Most peope's definition of capitalism is not the same as yours and therefore China would be considered capitalist.


And if not for a centralized government which was brought upon by the immense stupidity of the Maoist revolutionaries, none of this would have happened.

Mao began the high economic growth rates, without him they would have developed more slowly. I think the old regime would have taken longer to unite China and organise its people.

[Liberty Lover]

Does anyone remember the time when the debates that took place on this forum were intellectually stimulating and fun?

[Dirty Commie]

Originally posted by Liberty [email protected] 2 2004, 07:00 AM
Does anyone remember the time when the debates that took place on this forum were intellectually stimulating and fun?
Yes, I do, and I feel that this thread should be more interesting than it is at the moment.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Ha!

Even if you tell me, about 20-30% unemployment I willn't belive you!
This is bullshit! Around 70% - my last word!!!

My source is on Russian... <_<

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 4 2004, 08:37 AM
Ha&#33;

Even if you tell me, about 20-30% unemployment I willn&#39;t belive you&#33;
This is bullshit&#33; Around 70% - my last word&#33;&#33;&#33;

My source is on Russian... <_<
Have they counted farmers as unemployed or what? I know it can be difficult to estimate the total amount but this 70% is nowhere in the range reported by other somewhat reliable sources.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Oh&#33; :o

"...more than 250 million..." - this it the quote...yes-yes, this is not 70%, but the number is not little&#33; :angry:

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 1 2004, 07:49 AM
Do you know the % of chineese unemployment&#33;?
- around 70%&#33;

And you call it progressive economy&#33;?
Where do you get your sources? That is highly illogical. Or is that suppose to be a hyperbole?

[Comrade Zeke]

I think China will become huge and powerful but the people are going to become more and more like slaves to the goverment. And if there was ever a war between to diffrent rivaliers of the Communists party yeah that is my hope. Civil war in China&#33; Then the REAL people can take back China...let TIbet go and make the country more Democratic with free and fair elections&#33;
Zeke

[General A.A.Vlasov]

KA:" Yea&#33; Good words, Zeke&#33; :) Free Tibet&#33;&#33;&#33; "Refresh" China&#33;&#33;&#33;"