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Y2A
29th February 2004, 05:02
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3492630.stm

Iraqi Kurds demand a voice


By Barbara Plett
BBC correspondent in Baghdad


The Iraqi Kurds are putting the world on notice: they're demanding to be heard.

This week activists brought a petition to the authorities in Baghdad. They say 1.7 million people have signed up, asking for a referendum on whether to stay within a united Iraq, or to form an independent Kurdistan.

"The Referendum movement has one goal, to allow the people of Iraqi Kurdistan to decide their future themselves," says a statement announcing the campaign.

Kurds weren't consulted when Britain forcibly attached Kurdish areas to Iraq after the first World War - and they don't want history to repeat itself.

Tragic history

"It's quite important for us as a people living in Iraq who are different from the Arabs to recreate a new relationship between Kurdistan and the central government," says Asos Hardi, editor of Hawlati, a Kurdish weekly published in the Northern city of Suleimaniya.

"Because as you know, during the last 80 years or so, since the establishment of the Iraqi state, our experience has been a very tragic one."

The Kurdish experience of Arab majority governments is ethnic cleansing and genocide, especially under Saddam Hussein.

That changed more than a decade ago when the Kurds achieved de facto autonomy in the north under Western protection. They don't want to give that up, and many want more.

There's barely a seat free at a popular café in downtown Suleimaniya. Writers and intellectuals have gathered to play dominoes and talk of the future. They feel the time has come to fulfil an old dream.

"I would like to see my country free, to have my own government, my own flag," says Osman Kadar. "Kurdistan should be different from Iraq, a separate country."


"This is the century of freedoms, this is our century, this is the Kurds' century," says artist Hamal Ekhan. "It will take time - maybe five, six, 10 years - but in the end we will be independent."

'Unrealistic desires'

The desire for independence is genuine, but unrealistic.

So says Barham Salih, a Kurdish regional prime minister. "The aim now is a federal structure with Iraq that preserves and expands autonomy in the north," he says.

"We should not fool our people, and we should not lead our people down the road of unrealized expectations.

"We have to say this is what we have, this is what is workable. I know many people will not be happy, will be cursing history and so on, but (we must) commit to something tangible, something reasonable, get self-government within a decent Iraq."

There's another reason for Mr Salih's pragmatism. He knows any unilateral move to independence would be opposed by the Iraqi Arabs and the Americans.

It would also risk military intervention by Turkey and Iran, countries with large Kurdish minorities of their own.

Leadership challenge?

So is the referendum campaign a challenge to Kurdish leaders? According to Asos Hardi it is, to a point, but it's also a tool in their hands.

"That's the big card they are using against the Arabs and coalition forces," he says. "I mean they will say if you don't accept our demands, you know that the majority of the people will vote for independence, and what will you do then, so it's better to accept our demands now."

Many Kurds say they're prepared to put their national dreams on hold and accept a federal structure for now, but only if they get more powers than they have already.

If they get less, the demand for independence will grow.

At least, that seems to be the message of those who've signed the referendum petition.

"Some of them have been signing in blood, they have written beside their name, we would like to have independence," says Halkaut Abdullah, one of the campaign organisers.

"So we think that the Kurdistan people would like to have independence. But their leaders have another agenda and that is our dilemma."
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Seems a bit to unrealistic to me.

LuZhiming
29th February 2004, 07:37
Frankly, if genocide is supposed to mean anything of what it was originally defined as, Kurds have been subjected to no such attempt. Saddam Hussein may have been brutal, which is unjustified, but before making such clearly absurd statements as were made in the article, one must remember a few ignored facts:

1. Saddam Hussein has negotiated with the Kurds more than any other leader in the modern history of the Arab world
2. Iraqi Kurds launched more rebellions and attacks in the 80's and previously than any other Kurdish groups
3. Saddam Hussein did not attack Kurds for identifying themselves as Kurds, for wearing Kurdish colors, for demanding autonomy, or for speaking Kurdish. Turkey did.

Anyway, I would like to see a Kurdish state. But with many Kurdish leaders collaborating in the most shameless of fashions with the U.S., and with the denial of Turkey and Syria, or even Iran to create autonomous Kurdish areas, it would seem creating a Kurdish autonomous zone in the present situation would be disastrous.

redstar2000
29th February 2004, 17:02
From a communist standpoint, I can't see any legitimate objection to a free and independent Kurdistan, eventually including those parts of Turkey and Iran with Kurdish majorities.

If Turkish and Iranian "mini-imperialists" and Islamic fundamentalists in Baghdad don't like that, fuck 'em!

And if U.S. imperialism opposes Kurdish independence, then perhaps the Kurds will finally realize who their real enemies have been all along.

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General A.A.Vlasov
1st March 2004, 06:22
KA:" I think UN must give them independance with guaranties, that turks willn't attack Kurdistan!...the BEST variant would be in uniting turkish and iraqish Kurdistan into one independent country!...but second is almost impossible, because of damn turks!"