Executions

[komsomol]

WHo here supports executions during and after the Proletarian insurrection, and under what circumstances? I believe under certain circumstances it is both just and the most practical course of action.

For example, in the heat of civil war, executions and executions without trial are often the right course of action. I also suggest an authority at very low levels should bear responsibility under these circumstances. The rank and file of the Red Army would take collective, quick decisions on a small scale to shoot prisioners that are known to have been working against the revolutionary cause. During a civil war time is precious and often the organisational capacity is insufficient to take the ideal course of action. A mild example of this is the executions of the Romanovs, who's bodies were (or, are widely believed to have been) hastily burried a few hours before the White Army arrived in the area.

After the insurrection when we can do much more of what is desirable (be it mercy or lots of executions) I am not so sure on, and would liek to recieve some feedback! :D

[Retro]

You have to watch out how many of these "random executions" that you have. You have too many, execute someone well known, and you could radically throw your revolution in the wrong direction.

It's fun to tote your gun around and shoot, but be prepared for some form of public outcry to it.

Of course, wars can't be bloodless, its ideal...but yeah communism is ideal too, and see how people listen to that...

[gawkygeek]

executions are the most atrocious act of war, it is an uncivilized act of rage and a sign of a loss of controll on the part of the executer. to kill an unarmed person is just wrong and dishonorable

[commie kg]

Executions will happen... Quite often I'd imagine. It is a revolution after all...

[komsomol]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 03:39 AM
executions are the most atrocious act of war, it is an uncivilized act of rage and a sign of a loss of controll on the part of the executer. to kill an unarmed person is just wrong and dishonorable

it is an uncivilized act of rage

Not always. And executions have been common in most civilizations so I wouldn't call it uncivilised.


and a sign of a loss of controll on the part of the executer

In some cases this is very true.


to kill an unarmed person is just wrong and dishonorable

By who's morals? The working class's?

[BOZG]

Revolutionary violence can be justified.

[shyguywannadie]

Executions are nessecary, we cant allow the right-wing to survive, if you put them in prison after they get out they will work against communism, therefore they must be killed.

If they wont convert to communism then they are a threat to communsim therefore they must be exterminated.

[Soviet power supreme]

Well it depends who is to be executed.

There is no problem when the executed is a traitor or enemy
officer or enemy leader.

But executing enemy soldiers or civilians would very bad thing to do.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I think you are all living in some kind of haze. Revolutionary executions? Jumping the 'gun' as it were even theoritically, I think that the right wing if there was a revolution and during some kind of defence of the revolution right wingers were captured then surely jail would be a better choice rather than depriving them of their lives?

I value life very much so regardless of anybody's political views, your views also allo Right Wingers the justification to kill you considering you will do it to them if a revolution comes about.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 10:01 AM
Revolutionary violence can be justified.
By who, who has the right to dictate life and death?

Execution is the most unleftwwing ideal of all, anyone who claims to support execution and be a leftist in my opinion is greatly mistaken. They are mutually exclusive.

[iloveatomickitten]

to kill an unarmed person is just wrong and dishonorable

Honor is idiotic.

To execute someone simply because they don't subscribe to your views is highly undemocratic and a tyrannical attempt to drive people to accept you out of fear, or simply cleanse them from the land (how religious). No good can come from it all it helps to achieve is to make the revolution a crusade and the republic a relgion. Surely a very stalinist view.

[cubist]

i am going toi take the jesus stance even though i don't believe in god,

IF YOU HAVE NEVER COMMITTED A SIN(in this case crime) then cast the first stone ye shall,

[komsomol]

Originally posted by Enigma+Feb 28 2004, 03:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Enigma @ Feb 28 2004, 03:38 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 10:01 AM
Revolutionary violence can be justified.
By who, who has the right to dictate life and death?

Execution is the most unleftwwing ideal of all, anyone who claims to support execution and be a leftist in my opinion is greatly mistaken. They are mutually exclusive. [/b]
I wouldn&#39;t call execution an ideal. But I do think executions are hand in hand with the practical left wingers (meaning, those who in history have actually done and acheived something). Take the French Revolution for example, peace does not make for progress, and progress is often very bloody.


To execute someone simply because they don&#39;t subscribe to your views is highly undemocratic

Yes, but we are not doing that simply because the don&#39;t subscribe to our views. Bear in mind that we would actually be at war with these people, if we are on the side of the masses then we are exercising majority rule to set up proper representation for the majority. People that are unwilling to accept this deserve no place in democracy, in fact, they strive to stop it in its tracks.

[cubist]

execution that are aginst the ideal of the masses would be political ones and that is very unethical and wrong, those that strive to stop what is going on need to be convinced otherwise not executed.

you can&#39;t silence a cuase with murder, some one will revive it in memory of the last death

[komsomol]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 09:39 PM
execution that are aginst the ideal of the masses...
Ok, stop there. Thats fine, we don&#39;t plan to do that. We are Communists.

[cubist]

ok it was inreference to your post though

"People that are unwilling to accept this deserve no place in democracy, in fact, they strive to stop it in its tracks. " tahts another way of saying other political ideals aren&#39;t wlcome thuis i thought you were trying to justify execution,

also i should rephrase the last post to

Executions of people that go against the ideal of the masses would be political ones

[komsomol]

Oh, now I see...I thought we were getting somewhere for a moment, lol. Your idea of right and wrong is very different to mine. I see little need to try and convince the enemies to join us, it just isn&#39;t possible in many cases, or maybe possible in some cases when the subject is presented with a view of a barrel of a gun. :D

[BOZG]

I wouldn&#39;t call execution an ideal. But I do think executions are hand in hand with the practical left wingers (meaning, those who in history have actually done and acheived something). Take the French Revolution for example, peace does not make for progress, and progress is often very bloody.


Exactly. I&#39;m not saying we go out and execute every person who opposes us but if someone represents a real and credible threat to revolution, then execution can become necessary.




Execution is the most unleftwwing ideal of all, anyone who claims to support execution and be a leftist in my opinion is greatly mistaken. They are mutually exclusive.

Then you&#39;re pretty much constituting liberals and parliamentarians as the only left-wingers in the world. You&#39;ll find that the majority of revolutionary socialists understand that the revolution must be defended at all costs to those that wish to destroy the gains.

[Xvall]

Forced Labor (Not in the Nazi sense, though) is a much better idea, in my opinion, than wasting time, money, and ammunition to execute someone. Not to mention that if somehow down the line a convicted felon is proven to be innocent, he can simply be let free with an apology and some reparations, as opposed to being forced to dig up his body and send a letter to the individual&#39;s family.

[commie kg]

You guys are naive if you think there won&#39;t be executions during a revolution... The proles will be pissed, and the trigger finger will be itchy.

So we capture a commander of whatever imperialist factions are left fighting against us. What do we do? Give him a big hug and a Che shirt? Offer him a bong hit? Hell no, you splatter his imperialist brains. We will be overthrowing a standing social order after all.

[komsomol]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 29 2004, 12:29 AM
Forced Labor (Not in the Nazi sense, though) is a much better idea, in my opinion, than wasting time, money, and ammunition to execute someone. Not to mention that if somehow down the line a convicted felon is proven to be innocent, he can simply be let free with an apology and some reparations, as opposed to being forced to dig up his body and send a letter to the individual&#39;s family.
I was having a conversation with a friend of mine about his the other day. He had the same idea as you. I agreed with him and you that it is a good idea, but I don&#39;t think there will always be the organisational capacity for this.

[SittingBull47]

I am against executions, but a revolutionary judicial system is something different. If there are counter-revolutionary terroristic monsters, then i believe we should execute them. Only in the most extreme circumstances, however.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

executions are the most atrocious act of war, it is an uncivilized act of rage and a sign of a loss of controll on the part of the executer. to kill an unarmed person is just wrong and dishonorable

Execution is necessary, especially when you don&#39;t have the facilities or resources to hold prisoners. (And especially if they pose a security risk)
I&#39;ve always thought that an execution was a cold and dispassionate act, rather than one of rage.
I disapprove of on-the-spot battlefield executions, unless it was blindingly obvious that the executed was engaged in subversive activity (Sabotage, treachery, etc.)


There is no problem when the executed is a traitor or enemy
officer or enemy leader.

But executing enemy soldiers or civilians would very bad thing to do.

This should be standard practice, with the exceptions I noted earlier.


By who, who has the right to dictate life and death?

Everybody can decide whether somebody lives or dies. When you take someone&#39;s life or the decision has been made to do so, you must accept any consequences.


Execution is the most unleftwwing ideal of all, anyone who claims to support execution and be a leftist in my opinion is greatly mistaken. They are mutually exclusive.

No they&#39;re not.


Forced Labor (Not in the Nazi sense, though) is a much better idea, in my opinion, than wasting time, money, and ammunition to execute someone.

Forced Labour? are you having a laugh? Not in the nazi sense? What are you going to do, give them fur-lined manacles?
Don&#39;t forget you have to feed, clothe and transport (Unless you&#39;re planning to build a PRISON) the prisoners. You only have to shoot once.


Not to mention that if somehow down the line a convicted felon is proven to be innocent, he can simply be let free with an apology and some reparations, as opposed to being forced to dig up his body and send a letter to the individual&#39;s family.

Dead or dehumanised? which do you think is better?


So we capture a commander of whatever imperialist factions are left fighting against us. What do we do? Give him a big hug and a Che shirt? Offer him a bong hit? Hell no, you splatter his imperialist brains. We will be overthrowing a standing social order after all.

My sentiments exactly.

Good riddance to Imperialist, racist, misogynistic pieces of shit&#33;

-NoX

[The Feral Underclass]

Lenin published the name and an explination of every single person executed during the october revolution...unfortunatly I think that this kind of violence is justified...your automatic reaction to this kind of thing is that everyone has a right to live and to some extent I agree, everyone does have the right to live until they for fit that right. People always say "if you met hitler when he was young would you kill him" people say "no...a life is sacred no matter whos life"....Bull-shit....i&#39;d poisen the bastard and then shoot him in his face for prosperity then piss on him and set fire to his corpse&#33; Some claim that to think that is reactionary...i dont agree....when someone condones and encourages mass genocide of that propertion against anyone regardless of age has fortifited their right to life. Murdering 10 million people because you happen to dislike their race is not acceptable and you serve no purpose in society at all.

In a revolutionary situation we will come up against police people, soldiers, intelligence services who will do exactly the same things. They will execute and torture any of us if we were caught. Police chiefs and generals, states people and fascists serve what purpose. I am sure there will be many people who can be argued and won over, but for those bastards in power and for those who violently wish to perpetrate their control and oppress the working class back into exploitation in my mind have to be dealt with in some way...execution may be the only way.

[Chewillneverdie]

wait a sec, this is a Che forum, he was responsible for a hell of a lot of executions. I support executions, as I was in the suburbs in OKC when Timothy McVeigh blew up that building, felt the shockwave, and knew poeple that died. So i say roast the fucker. Though, we shouldnt just drag people out in the street that say "god i fucking hate this government, fuck (insert name here)" and pop a round into their head, I just say, if you take a life, if you werent in danger, you diserve the death penalty.
Forced Labor (Not in the Nazi sense, though) is a much better idea, in my opinion, than wasting time, money, and ammunition to execute someone. hmmm you would have to clothe them, give them food, and pay for supplies, and what about medical supplies? lol just take some leftover Russian ammo bout half a penny apeice and put one in their head. Oh and not in a Nazi sense? then what, a Stalin sense? lol touchee anarchist tension

[Xvall]

Like I said. I think forced labor is a good idea, but I&#39;m reffering to some type of secured society. Naturally, during a revolution, a lot of people will be executed. As other have stated, we will be at &#39;war&#39; with the people we are executing. Even if you don&#39;t accept &#39;executions&#39;, that is what you will be doing. There isn&#39;t much of a difference between sniping a soldier stationed at his base, and arresting the soldier and having him executed. The second one just requires more paperword.

[DSCH]

As long as it&#39;s just intellectuals (Doctors, lawyers, students, etc.) and capitalists being executed I don&#39;t see why a Communist would have a problem with it.

[God of Imperia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 11:44 AM
Not always. And executions have been common in most civilizations so I wouldn&#39;t call it uncivilised.
It is not because it is common in most civilizations that it is civilised. What would be a good reason to exicute someone? No-one should be executed, yes, a bloodless war doesn&#39;t exist, but after the war? No man should have power over another man&#39;s life&#33;

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No man should have power over another man&#39;s life&#33;

Yes, but the community should have the power to take someone&#39;s life if the accused has made their life forfeit and declared themselves no longer a part of society by murdering and raping.

[God of Imperia]

I would make the work the rest of their lifes so they can pay their debt to society, and they even might do some useable work ... And for rapers, let them be castrated or why not just cut it all of ... hmm I&#39;m not sure about that, but defenitly let them work hard, very hard for a very very long time, but NOT kill em

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Forced Labour is bad. It presents a security risk and it creates a population of resentful outcasts who hate the very society that clapped them in irons.

No, executions are far better, morally and socially speaking.

[God of Imperia]

So it&#39;s better to kill a person then giving him the possibility of a second change (It doesn&#39;t have to be given all the time), but you say it is morally better to kill a person???

[Shredder]

If you&#39;re not going to execute people, you might as well not have a revolution. That said, more executions just add fuel to the "dude communism has killed 29303182 people" fire.

I turn to Lenin&#39;s ideas on what to do with dissent.


Thousands of practical forms and methods of accounting and controlling the rich, the rogues and the idlers must be devised and put to a practical test by the communes themselves, by small units in town and country. Variety is a guarantee of effectiveness here, a pledge of success in achieving the single common aim—to clean the land of Russia of all vermin, of fleas—the rogues, of bugs—the rich, and so on and so forth. ("How to Organize Competition?" Collected Works, Volume 26, p. 404-15)

To he who said to give them a Che T-shirt: you deserve a trophy, for that might not be a bad idea&#33; Especially if we&#39;re giving communist advertisement to key figures of the opposition, making them from symbols of the old way to walking advertisements of the revolution.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You&#39;re all soft. If you think that by &#39;playing fair&#39; you can &#39;gain points&#39; you&#39;re wrong. Attempting to play fair in the real world will get you stabbed in the back.

The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal.

-NoX

[God of Imperia]

So it&#39;s wrong to respect an other ones life? When a revolution begins executions are inevitable, but after that there is no need for them.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Rapists, murderers and counter-revolutionaries don&#39;t deserve any respect, period&#33;

[God of Imperia]

So we should return to the good old an eye for an eye theory, I never said you have to respect the person, I said his life, there&#39;s a small diffrence and yes, I still believe in forced labour, but this is a forum, we don&#39;t have to agree&#33;
But to kill a murderer is just doing the same as he did, but then beneath a cloak of "justice", what makes you beter then the person you just killed?

[Raisa]

<< The rank and file of the Red Army would take collective, quick decisions on a small scale to shoot prisioners that are known to have been working against the revolutionary cause.>>


A thing about executions is that it is something that can be used against the revolution by the capitalists to appeal and gain support becuase it makes the people&#39;s government look bad, like they cant get by unless they kill the dissidents.
During the revolution, I am a skeptic. I understand the need for self defense, but to kill the prisoners is something I am extremly weary of. I say that we should do our best to try to proove them wrong in their claims against communism and their attributes of brutality and opression toward it by trying to be the better people. The unafilliated working masses need to see it to believe it.

[BOZG]

I turn to Lenin&#39;s ideas on what to do with dissent.


You are aware that Lenin was responsible for thousands of executions?

[God of Imperia]

Just shoot them as much you want during the revolution (when prooved guilty), but afterwards no executions&#33;&#33;

[Essential Insignificance]

Just shoot them as much you want during the revolution (when prooved guilty), but afterwards no executions&#33;&#33;

No time for courts and trying to "prove" those guilty of the tyrannical repression…All men and women of the Church, politicians, the affluent and bourgeoisie and the additional that are condemned counter revolutionaries will be followed with executions "on the spot"…I cannot wait.

Be gone with them.

Thats my desire…but it is up to the proletariat in the given locality. There the revolutionaries.

[God of Imperia]

So just kill em all, that&#39;s a good idea, that will be a good base for a strong nation ... If there is no time for courts, who will say who&#39;s guilty and who&#39;s not?

[Essential Insignificance]

who will say who&#39;s guilty and who&#39;s not?

The proletarians in the given locality, Of course.

[Nas]

i think during the revolution we should try to get as many extreme capitalists as we can (only few should survive)
and for the stubborn capitalists who managed to survive the war - ??????? idunno what to do with them :unsure: , i know they will never change their views but what i do know we should not and i repeat not let them free


when i mean extreme capitalists i mean the stubborn wealthy who do not want to give up their wealth

the civilians like doctors, teachers , cops, firemen, etc,and ,even good wealthy capitalists who might feel defenseless against the revolutionaries, should not be kill

our job should be to try to educate the civilians on socialism and why the revolution had to happen

* remember the civilians are not really bright so there is no need to harm them (just look how the media control young people&#39;s lifestyle :lol: )

"0" Tolerance against counter-revolutionaries (even if they are civilians)

[Nas]

:D i know what i would do with extreme capitalists - i would strip them half naked and send them to Africa so they can experience how poor people live


Africa or maybe an island where there are tribes (maybe they get kill by animals or something) :D

[dark fairy]

:unsure: damn this is kind of hard ... the life of someone is not that valueable... so wouldn&#39;t be sure 0f how to answer this... there ARE forms where it is justified to kill someone like that... but for the most time i feel that a life isn&#39;t that important but a death unjustified...

[Essential Insignificance]

It will not be up to "us"…like I all ready affirmed it will be up to the proletarians in the specified vicinity.

But I know I’ll be there offering my suggestions. :lol:

Any form of capitalist in pre revolutionary society, are in post proletarian revolution, that of the equivalence to the deceased.

Again these are in solitary, my assertions.

[GUTB]

First of all, wether or not there will be mass-executions of plutocrats and other social elites of the power structure, or even hated middle-managment types, class-colaborating intellectuals, reactionaries and other types isn&#39;t something open to debate by Party leadership. It will happen on its own as the revolutionary masses enter into a state of white-hot rebellion.

Besides this, I think any serious revolutionary leadership would quickly call for the public execution of the worst, most visible and hated of the ruling classes. I mean public stadium, internationally-televised executions. They would do this for morale reasons -- the masses must understand that they are fighting the last war, the only war that ever mattered, and that they must go all the way. Let their rage erupt into a super nova that engulfs the whole world.

[God of Imperia]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 9 2004, 03:43 AM

who will say who&#39;s guilty and who&#39;s not?

The proletarians in the given locality, Of course.
doesn&#39;t this presents the perfect oppertunity to mass lynch parties? Or if people don&#39;t like you, you&#39;re screwed ...

[perception]

Even in a revolution, you can&#39;t just go around killing people for not agreeing with you. It&#39;s not about vengeance; if you&#39;re hell bent on killing &#39;capitalists&#39; than you&#39;re not a communist, you&#39;re just pissed off about being at the sh¡t end of the current system. If you&#39;re system is going to be sustainable it must be able to coexist with those who oppose it. Otherwise it will degenerate into an arbitrary police state or collapse on itself. Or both.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 8 2004, 04:42 AM

Just shoot them as much you want during the revolution (when prooved guilty), but afterwards no executions&#33;&#33;

No time for courts and trying to "prove" those guilty of the tyrannical repression…All men and women of the Church, politicians, the affluent and bourgeoisie and the additional that are condemned counter revolutionaries will be followed with executions "on the spot"…I cannot wait.

Be gone with them.

Thats my desire…but it is up to the proletariat in the given locality. There the revolutionaries.
What a completely stupid suggestion.

Firstly many of these people will have commited no crime, to the workers and been petty bourgeoisie.

As for church people, they are misguided not intrinsically evil.

Anyone who wishes to create a mass murder of a huge scale... now thats a different matter.

Grow up.

[GUTB]

Anyone at all who believes that, when the order of society itself is toppled, the rage of the revolutionary masses will NOT take the lives the enemy -- as Marx called the ruling class and capitalists -- is simply delusional about the nature of revolution. Murder and mayhem will happen, indpendant of anything the revolutionary leadership has to say, and any call made by the leadership for "calm" and "reason" will be viewed as being counter-revolutionary.

No bargining with capital. No room for capital. No retreat from capital. Only the utter and complete destruction of the capitalist class and the ruling class in general will suffice. Any revolutionary who doesn&#39;t comprehend that they are the enemy isn&#39;t revolutionary enough.

[Essential Insignificance]

What a completely stupid suggestion.

Firstly many of these people will have commited no crime, to the workers and been petty bourgeoisie.

As for church people, they are misguided not intrinsically evil.

Anyone who wishes to create a mass murder of a huge scale... now thats a different matter.

Grow up.

What pleasant words… but without much content. Not too much reasoning behind an bold statement.

Who said that the "church people" were "evil", I certainly did not. If I did I would be lowering my self to their brainless lexis…there’s know such thing as "evil".

"Misguided" most conclusively…"intrinsically"counter revolutionary, once more, most conclusively.

What’s your characterization of mass murder…I think ours are dissimilar.

As for "grow up"…your immatureness in debate is accentuated in that duo of words.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 13 2004, 05:57 AM

What a completely stupid suggestion.

Firstly many of these people will have commited no crime, to the workers and been petty bourgeoisie.

As for church people, they are misguided not intrinsically evil.

Anyone who wishes to create a mass murder of a huge scale... now thats a different matter.

Grow up.

What pleasant words… but without much content. Not too much reasoning behind an bold statement.

Who said that the "church people" were "evil", I certainly did not. If I did I would be lowering my self to their brainless lexis…there’s know such thing as "evil".

"Misguided" most conclusively…"intrinsically"counter revolutionary, once more, most conclusively.

What’s your characterization of mass murder…I think ours are dissimilar.

As for "grow up"…your immatureness in debate is accentuated in that duo of words.
As for "grow up"…your immatureness in debate is accentuated in that duo of words.

How so? My annotation of your exorbitantly protuberant immaturity, which is making this thread most aesthetically displeasing causing much vexation which makes this anthology most base, makes me immature?

What pleasant words… but without much content. Not too much reasoning behind an bold statement.

Their is pleanty of reasoning, if you would like me to spell out the obvious foy you then I will be happy to explain it to you. Your suggestion is so asinine as to be beyond any vast need for explination.

Who said that the "church people" were "evil", I certainly did not.

No you said that they should be purged, which would suggest that they are in some way diserving of such treatment, which would suggest that they are in some way evil, after all execution is the most harsh punishment.

there’s know such thing as "evil".

I never said there was, I said that the church is not intrinsically evil.

…"intrinsically"counter revolutionary, once more, most conclusively.


Then how do you account for the christian revolutionary groups? Sorry to burst your bubble and all.

What’s your characterization of mass murder

Though you seem to have learned your dictionary with some destinction, you obviously failed to work out what "mass" and what "murder" mean. I would have thought the definition of mass murder rather obvious. Clearly not.

[Revolt!]

Executions are sometimes needed. The bourgeoisie have spent too long oppressing the proletariat. We need Justice&#33;

[Hate Is Art]

EI, why do you insist on talking utter bollocks&#33;

[Essential Insignificance]

How so? My annotation of your exorbitantly protuberant immaturity, which is making this thread most aesthetically displeasing causing much vexation which makes this anthology most base, makes me immature?

Resorting to the my position of thought…with the stupefied language of "grow up".


Their is pleanty of reasoning, if you would like me to spell out the obvious foy you then I will be happy to explain it to you. Your suggestion is so asinine as to be beyond any vast need for explination.

Again…there is indisputably, know composure of reasonable judgment in your irregular squabble.


No you said that they should be purged, which would suggest that they are in some way diserving of such treatment, which would suggest that they are in some way evil, after all execution is the most harsh punishment

The word "evil" is over used defectively in the world at present…again there is know such manifestation.

…
"intrinsically"counter revolutionary, once more, most conclusively.

There minimally an assemblage of reactionary Christians...not progressive in the least of the sense…in what branch of the world are you referring too.


Though you seem to have learned your dictionary with some destinction, you obviously failed to work out what "mass" and what "murder" mean. I would have thought the definition of mass murder rather obvious. Clearly not.

Well let’s get meticulous, shall me…what given proportion of deaths meet the criteria for your designation of mass murder.


EI, why do you insist on talking utter bollocks

In what sense…why inconvenience yourself with such reckless comments.

[Invader Zim]

Resorting to the my position of thought…with the stupefied language of "grow up".

that makes absolutly no sense at all.

Again…there is indisputably, know composure of reasonable judgment in your irregular squabble.

and the blind man attacks what he cannot see. In this case the obvious.

The word "evil" is over used defectively in the world at present…again there is know such manifestation.

I never said there was, I said that the church is not intrinsically evil.

There minimally an assemblage of reactionary Christians...not progressive in the least of the sense…in what branch of the world are you referring too.

you quote your self and then address me? What prey, is your argument?

and that statement you made also makes know sense, it is completely incoherant.

what given proportion of deaths meet the criteria for your designation of mass murder.


mass murderer
n.
A person, especially a political or military leader, who is responsible for the deaths of many individuals.

A person who kills several or numerous victims in a single incident.
A serial killer.


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Many

man·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn)
adj. more, (môr, mr) most (mst)
Being one of a large indefinite number; numerous: many a child; many another day.
Amounting to or consisting of a large indefinite number: many friends.


Answer your question, a person who kills many people.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

No time for courts and trying to "prove" those guilty of the tyrannical repression…All men and women of the Church, politicians, the affluent and bourgeoisie and the additional that are condemned counter revolutionaries will be followed with executions "on the spot"…I cannot wait.

Be gone with them.

Thats my desire…but it is up to the proletariat in the given locality. There the revolutionaries.

Wow.

That&#39;s entirely the right thing to do&#33; after a century or so of opression, these bastards deserve to be lined up and blown away. No quarter asked by the capitalists and Church, none given by the revolutionaries&#33;

Never mind softy reformist socialists who are in bed with the current regime, eh Enigma?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 10:29 AM

No time for courts and trying to "prove" those guilty of the tyrannical repression…All men and women of the Church, politicians, the affluent and bourgeoisie and the additional that are condemned counter revolutionaries will be followed with executions "on the spot"…I cannot wait.

Be gone with them.

Thats my desire…but it is up to the proletariat in the given locality. There the revolutionaries.

Wow.

That&#39;s entirely the right thing to do&#33; after a century or so of opression, these bastards deserve to be lined up and blown away. No quarter asked by the capitalists and Church, none given by the revolutionaries&#33;

Never mind softy reformist socialists who are in bed with the current regime, eh Enigma?
Ohh yes of course all the church establishment are guilty of oppression... steriotyping is the sign of the stupid, im afraid.

I cant believe that you are this stupid, tell me what leftist ideology suggests that you purge practically every person in the west practically? You do realise that capitalists occupy like 99% of the current population? Why the hell do you think that they all vote for conservative parties? I suggest you shut the fuck up and stop digging your self into a hole.

Were you dropped on the head as a baby?

Surrounded by morons.

[TC]

I oppose any sort of punishment or penality exept if its secondary to repairing damages (like fines to restore damages). So, I wouldn&#39;t support exicutions or even imprisonment for the sake of punishment. I would support exicutions for political or military nessessity for a good cause when they represented the most humane of all possible choices. What is really the difference between an exicution and an assassination, exept that an assassination is done without first taking a person into custody?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Ohh yes of course all the church establishment are guilty of oppression... steriotyping is the sign of the stupid, im afraid.

It&#39;s not stereotyping, all the clergy daily spew out nonsense and vile polemic.
They are they active participants in spreading reactionary dogma.


I cant believe that you are this stupid, tell me what leftist ideology suggests that you purge practically every person in the west practically? You do realise that capitalists occupy like 99% of the current population? Why the hell do you think that they all vote for conservative parties? I suggest you shut the fuck up and stop digging your self into a hole.

Idiot. You&#39;re forgetting one of the principles tenets of Marxism (An ideology you are unfamiliar with) is that proletarian revolution is a popular revolution.
There is an astonishing small amount of people causing an astonishing amount of pain.
Their violent deaths will pay for what they have done.


Were you dropped on the head as a baby?

Surrounded by morons.

Open your mouth wider, so you can fit both feet in.

[Invader Zim]

EDIT:

Im not going get into some flame war again, I take back what I said about you, all I will say is this: -

Their violent deaths will pay for what they have done.

So much for the leftwing concept of rehabilitation rather than punishment.

[guerrillaradio]

Anyone seen the movie City of God?? This thread is kinda like the closing scene with the kids walking down that alleyway haha...

[guerrillaradio]

As far as I&#39;m concerned, members of the government, police force, army and senior members of the commercial sector are legitimate targets in any situation, revolution or not. I think due legal procedure should be wrought on those imprisoned after any kind of revolution.

[God of Imperia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 12:29 PM

No time for courts and trying to "prove" those guilty of the tyrannical repression…All men and women of the Church, politicians, the affluent and bourgeoisie and the additional that are condemned counter revolutionaries will be followed with executions "on the spot"…I cannot wait.

Be gone with them.

Thats my desire…but it is up to the proletariat in the given locality. There the revolutionaries.

Wow.

That&#39;s entirely the right thing to do&#33; after a century or so of opression, these bastards deserve to be lined up and blown away. No quarter asked by the capitalists and Church, none given by the revolutionaries&#33;

Never mind softy reformist socialists who are in bed with the current regime, eh Enigma?
Oppress the oppressors and kill all who have killed no?
You actually believe the words you say? Kill all who don&#39;t think the same as you? Spoken of oppresion ... If you allow random executions like that where will it end? I don&#39;t believe in a bloodless revolution, but just start a revolution where people get slaugthered isn&#39;t one I will ever support. Does that make me a counter revolutionair who deserves to die?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by God of Imperia+Apr 17 2004, 12:26 PM--> (God of Imperia @ Apr 17 2004, 12:26 PM)
[email protected] 15 2004, 12:29 PM

No time for courts and trying to "prove" those guilty of the tyrannical repression…All men and women of the Church, politicians, the affluent and bourgeoisie and the additional that are condemned counter revolutionaries will be followed with executions "on the spot"…I cannot wait.

Be gone with them.

Thats my desire…but it is up to the proletariat in the given locality. There the revolutionaries.

Wow.

That&#39;s entirely the right thing to do&#33; after a century or so of opression, these bastards deserve to be lined up and blown away. No quarter asked by the capitalists and Church, none given by the revolutionaries&#33;

Never mind softy reformist socialists who are in bed with the current regime, eh Enigma?
Oppress the oppressors and kill all who have killed no?
You actually believe the words you say? Kill all who don&#39;t think the same as you? Spoken of oppresion ... If you allow random executions like that where will it end? I don&#39;t believe in a bloodless revolution, but just start a revolution where people get slaugthered isn&#39;t one I will ever support. Does that make me a counter revolutionair who deserves to die? [/b]
At least someone round here actually has an an idea of what they are talking about.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 01:38 PM

Oppress the oppressors and kill all who have killed no?
You actually believe the words you say? Kill all who don&#39;t think the same as you? Spoken of oppresion ... If you allow random executions like that where will it end? I don&#39;t believe in a bloodless revolution, but just start a revolution where people get slaugthered isn&#39;t one I will ever support. Does that make me a counter revolutionair who deserves to die?
At least someone round here actually has an an idea of what they are talking about. [/quote]
You know, Raisa feels ya too&#33;
People make it sound like revolution is so easy or something. Its not. But that is the impression I get from some people&#39;s attitudes. I know fighting is involved, but that should be in defense, because there is so much more to a revolution then blood.