Cappies and pro-cappies

[Soviet power supreme]

So my question be
what to do with cappies and pro-capitalism thinkers after the revolution?And by pro-capitalism thinkers, I mean a big deal of middle class.

Should they be
1.Killed
2.put in prisons
3.treated equally
4.or your own thought

[Misodoctakleidist]

Give them the choice to participate in society or be excluded from it.

[187]

If people are content with their lives after the revolution, they would have no interest in capitalist ideology. In the US, a good majority of the people are content with their lives under capitalism, and the socialist/ communist parties (for the most part) are ignored.


In any case, if there is a high amount of pro capitalists left after the revolution, then the people we not ready for the revolution.

[Don't Change Your Name]

I'd let them do what they want, while they do not use things to exploit other and profit from their work, as they do nowadays. If they want to leave they can but all the property they have as means of production should be confiscated, and such a thing should be done if it's found that other things they own are very obviously own by exploiting.

[redstar2000]

Naturally, I think we would treat people differently based on their actions under the old system.

Leading political figures from the old regime would be obvious candidates for execution...particularly if they were implicated in repressive actions directed against the working class. Under no circumstances should we accept any promises from them to "co-operate" with the revolution.

This would also be true for leading figures from the corporate world -- including those who "managed the assets" of rich people who were not actively involved in business themselves. Anyone on the board of directors or in "top management" of a "Fortune 500" company is certainly a major criminal of some kind and deserves a date with a firing squad.

If Petrograd (February 1917) is any guide, those who violently fight against the revolution "to the bitter end" will be the police...it may be an act of simple prudence to shoot them all.

Naturally, the wealthy should be promptly stripped of all their wealth insofar as that is possible. Their mansions should be closed down and they themselves relocated to ordinary housing. Their vehicles should be confiscated by the nearest commune for public use...perhaps as taxis.

After these essential measures, things get a little fuzzier. A large number of people will be "guilty" of no "crime" other than being born into a ruling class or even petty-bourgeois family -- I see little point in repressive measures directed against them after they've been despoiled of their wealth...unless, of course, we actually catch them actively plotting a counter-revolution.

The Bolsheviks often actively discriminated against the sons and daughters and even the grandsons and granddaughters of the old aristocracy or the old bourgeoisie...I don't think that was a terribly useful thing to do. You might want to keep a careful eye on them for a generation or two...because some of them will resent their "class demotion" and "retaliate" by engaging in counter-revolutionary activity. But if they engage in productive activity and stay clear of the vermin, I think they should be treated equally. We shouldn't punish kids for "the sins of their fathers".

A special category is that of well-known public apologists for capitalism, racism, religion, fascism, etc. They must be completely deprived of any further role in "public life" (access to the media, access to the internet, public appearances, etc.). If they can't stay off the "stage", then they should be exiled or shot. (One good place to exile an asshole that no other country is willing to take: drive the bastard to the front gate of a foreign embassy, pitch him inside, and refuse to let him out.)

There are other complications, of course, but you get the general idea.

:redstar2000:

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[cubist]

i believe they would be equal, if the disrupt the system we would have to overpower them publically and show the masses why the man/woman is wrong, not exile/silence him,to act as an oppressor of freedom would be against the revolution

[Soviet power supreme]

Now for those who want to treat them equally.

Arnet you afraid that they gain support and make a succesful counter-revolution?

Would you allow them to have own political parties?

[cubist]

i am not worried, as only a poor leadership will fall to a counter revolution, an integral and well balanced one will not fall to an uprising of a few capitalists, as the masses will believe they are better off with out it, EDUCATE them of the problems of capitalism before they hear of the good sides ie that a select few will suceed and the rest will suffer without the aid they have now.

also by the time Communism is in place capitalism would have nearly extinct it self through the means of which it once flourished by.

political parties tahts a good one to stop the equality by saying no is wrong peope would use it against you soing it is banned for fear of revival making people want it more, i would say that you would just have to lead so well that the masses wouldn't vote/turn against you

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Soviet power [email protected] 28 2004, 09:21 PM
Arnet you afraid that they gain support and make a succesful counter-revolution?

Would you allow them to have own political parties?
Counter-revolution??? After a successful revolution? That's impossible. People won't change things just to be back were they were.

They won't have political parties. They can unite but they can't just ask the other people to give them resources to, let's say, bulding a party office. And "Individualists unite" is already pretty contradictory. By then they will be very spread and they won't have any reason to join forces because they won't have privileges they used to have.

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 12:56 PM
Give them the choice to participate in society or be excluded from it.
I agree with above statement. If they actively begin planning or carrying out counter-revolutionary activities, kill them.

[Invader Zim]

Treat them equily, if they in someway attack or attempt to attack society then a dose of community service. Repeat offenders asked to leave the society they so obviously detest.

[Michael De Panama]

I believe we should hold them down and masturbate on their foreheads.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I say clear everyone of all crimes committed prior to the revolution. When you live under capitalism, yyou have to play the capitalist's game. Just try the people who actively fight against the revolutionaries.

[Dirty Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 11:16 PM
I say clear everyone of all crimes committed prior to the revolution. When you live under capitalism, yyou have to play the capitalist's game. Just try the people who actively fight against the revolutionaries.
What about crimes unrelated to capitalism, such as rape or murder, or people who are wealthy but still commit fraud and theft. Not all crimes are the result of having to commit the crime becasue of the system.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Dirty Commie+Mar 6 2004, 01:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dirty Commie @ Mar 6 2004, 01:04 PM)
[email protected] 5 2004, 11:16 PM
I say clear everyone of all crimes committed prior to the revolution. When you live under capitalism, yyou have to play the capitalist&#39;s game. Just try the people who actively fight against the revolutionaries.
What about crimes unrelated to capitalism, such as rape or murder, or people who are wealthy but still commit fraud and theft. Not all crimes are the result of having to commit the crime becasue of the system. [/b]
Fraud, rape, and murder is part of the capitalist&#39;s game, and when you live under capitalism, you have to play by their rules. It is much harder to win that game without fraud or murder. I say give a blanket forgiveness to all offences capitalism related including theft, piracy, fraud, drug dealing, robbery, and others. I think everyone else should be forgiven of their offences on a case by case basis. Trusting in a jury to use their best judgement. That&#39;s just the way revolution works. When a place is liberated, almost always everyone in jails are set free.

[Dirty Commie]

I don&#39;t think that some crime is excusable, serial killers who kill to give themelves a feeling of self fullfillment, or rapists...Giving a general amnesty would put people on the street who shouldn&#39;t be free. Not all crime is a result of capitalism. While much of it comes from neccesity or greed (neither can be helped in our present sysytem), there are alternative motives (hate crime, passion crime, etc.)

[Michael De Panama]

My idea is the best, assholes.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Mar 6 2004, 06:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Mar 6 2004, 06:06 PM)
Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 6 2004, 01:04 PM

[email protected] 5 2004, 11:16 PM
I say clear everyone of all crimes committed prior to the revolution. When you live under capitalism, yyou have to play the capitalist&#39;s game. Just try the people who actively fight against the revolutionaries.
What about crimes unrelated to capitalism, such as rape or murder, or people who are wealthy but still commit fraud and theft. Not all crimes are the result of having to commit the crime becasue of the system.
Fraud, rape, and murder is part of the capitalist&#39;s game, and when you live under capitalism, you have to play by their rules. It is much harder to win that game without fraud or murder. I say give a blanket forgiveness to all offences capitalism related including theft, piracy, fraud, drug dealing, robbery, and others. I think everyone else should be forgiven of their offences on a case by case basis. Trusting in a jury to use their best judgement. That&#39;s just the way revolution works. When a place is liberated, almost always everyone in jails are set free. [/b]
Murderers and rapists should stay in prison. The rest can go out. With "leftists" economies modern thieves will be split in two: those who steal because they like to or they can&#39;t help it, and those who steal because of how capitalism threated them. That first group will try to steal again and then people, if they can be said to be "civilized" should do proper justice to them if they try to steal again. That would be a capitalist attitude.

[Redalias]

I&#39;m with De Panama

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Well, weather you like it or not, in the chaos of a revolution, the jails invariably get emptied. Weather you like it or not, everyone gets to start from clean slate. (I think that is a good thing)

[Michael De Panama]

"Bla bla bla bla, when the revolution comes. Bla bla bla, this should be like this. That should be like that. Everything will turn out exactly as planned and everyone will be infinitely happy until the planet is pulled into the sun and melts and we all die. The end. Que vive Che&#33;"

[Osman Ghazi]

Fraud, rape, and murder is part of the capitalist&#39;s game

Rape is part of the game?
No wonder I keep losing.

[Lefty]

I&#39;m with Michael De Panama on this one. All the cappies really need is a big ol&#39; load in the face. Then they will change their wicked ways and convert to socialism. Hasta La Victoria Siempre&#33;

[Raisa]

Dont just go putting them in jail unless they have acutally done something like make a threat on some ones life or an actual crime.
It is very hard to wash away some one&#39;s long held class viewpoints, they dont try to be capitalist in spite of any one. Putting them in jail or killing them is not the answer for supporting capitalism.
We have to be the better people. If communism is better, lets try to show them why.

[Samantha]

my bad... :blink:

[Samantha]

Well, weather you like it or not, in the chaos of a revolution, the jails invariably get emptied. Weather you like it or not, everyone gets to start from clean slate. (I think that is a good thing)

Are you trying to imply that any future revolution would be violent? Please do not blame Society for the crimes that many people have committed, especially rape and murder. You are making their actions excusable. And please, learn english grammar -- Weather: the conditions of the atmosphere
Whether: this word is used to introduce on alternative, the word you
should have used.


I&#39;m with Michael De Panama on this one. All the cappies really need is a big ol&#39; load in the face. Then they will change their wicked ways and convert to socialism. Hasta La Victoria Siempre&#33;

Get an education. It is people like you that make it impossible to create a better world. Why are leftist portrayed as "terrorists" in the media, because of stupid comments like yours. Any future revolution is not to provoke or initiate violence. Any physical force will be in defence. Don&#39;t misuse the words of Che, in order to have victory ALWAYS, our struggle won&#39;t be won through war.