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cruxcommunista
8th April 2017, 19:17
I am Catholic, but regardless of whether you are or aren't, what are your thoughts on the Pope's anti-capitalist speech in Bolivia which echoed some Laudato Si?

Here is an excerpt:

"Time, my brothers and sisters, seems to be running out; we are not yet tearing one another apart, but we are tearing apart our common home. Today, the scientific community realizes what the poor have long told us: harm, perhaps irreversible harm, is being done to the ecosystem. The earth, entire peoples and individual persons are being brutally punished. And behind all this pain, death and destruction there is the stench of what Basil of Caesarea called “the dung of the devil”. An unfettered pursuit of money rules. The service of the common good is left behind. Once capital becomes an idol and guides people’s decisions, once greed for money presides over the entire socioeconomic system, it ruins society, it condemns and enslaves men and women, it destroys human fraternity, it sets people against one another and, as we clearly see, it even puts at risk our common home.

I do not need to go on describing the evil effects of this subtle dictatorship: you are well aware of them. Nor is it enough to point to the structural causes of today’s social and environmental crisis. We are suffering from an excess of diagnosis, which at times leads us to multiply words and to revel in pessimism and negativity. Looking at the daily news we think that there is nothing to be done, except to take care of ourselves and the little circle of our family and friends.
What can I do, as collector of paper, old clothes or used metal, a recycler, about all these problems if I barely make enough money to put food on the table? What can I do as a craftsman, a street vendor, a trucker, a downtrodden worker, if I don’t even enjoy workers’ rights? What can I do, a farmwife, a native woman, a fisher who can hardly fight the domination of the big corporations? What can I do from my little home, my shanty, my hamlet, my settlement, when I daily meet with discrimination and marginalization? What can be done by those students, those young people, those activists, those missionaries who come to my neighbourhood with their hearts full of hopes and dreams, but without any real solution for my problems? A lot! They can do a lot. You, the lowly, the exploited, the poor and underprivileged, can do, and are doing, a lot. I would even say that the future of humanity is in great measure in your own hands, through your ability to organize and carry out creative alternatives, through your daily efforts to ensure the three “L’s” (labor, lodging, land) and through your proactive participation in the great processes of change on the national, regional and global levels. Don’t lose heart!"

Pope Francis also pivoted from the previously hostile view on the part of the Vatican toward Liberation Theology, and thinks it was a good thing during its peak in Latin America. Personally, I find this to be a huge step for Catholic Communists, at least! I find we are alienated from the Leftists who rebuke organized religion and our own fellow Catholics who have been fed neo-conservative information (which I find such an insult to the Italian Catholic Left movements during the Red Years 1919-20). I know a lot is to blame on Pope John Paul II's anti-communism, but it's all just so frustrating.

willowtooth
9th April 2017, 16:22
There are catholic communists? Where?

cruxcommunista
9th April 2017, 20:26
:) One is right here! We have been mostly quiet because of the anti-leftist agendas of the Church over the years but dialectically leftism overlaps with a lot of Catholic Social Teaching and scripture. We know who each other and our history. There are many Jesuits in Latin America who identify as Marxists. Namely, the late Archbishop Carlos Costa who was excommunicated for being critical about the Vatican's activities during WWII (really, with their attitude towards the Nazis). I am a first-gen Canadian of Ghanaian descent, and Nkrumah (like him or not) also reconciled Christian Communism, "I am a non-denominational Christian and a Marxist Socialist and I have found no contradictions between the two," he said. Nkrumah also went on to teach at Catholic schools. There are religious people of all faiths who are Communists. In fact, Catholicism lead me to be a Communist -- as I found no other tendency that I could merge with my faith as seamlessly. I urge you to look up the Catholic Leftists in Italy that attempted to crush the seeds of fascism. Their history was swept under the rug because, afterall, anti-communist sentiment is a bug. A lot of left Catholics also identify as "distrubutists."

Jimmie Higgins
11th April 2017, 16:43
I was raised catholic (went to a relatively progressive church (no talk of abortion, lots of emphasis on poverty and defending immigrants... it was an immigrant-heavy audience) but by confirmation I had long decided that religion didn't really speak to me. But I've always been interested in a materialist history of the church... and I'm pretty uninformed about its social and political role today.

But my sloppy take on this is that a certain kind of anti capitalism has been part of church views and doctrine for a long time--generally in a reactionary way, developed when the church was the bulwark of the feudal order, also as an opposition to modernism.

The church is growing fastest in places currently going through the social upheaval of modernization/cap-globalization. My guess is that there is a faction in the church hierarchy that would like to rehabilitate this doctrine to have a theological appeal in regions of Africa, Eastern Europe, etc. The previous pope was too conservative and unpopular for this.

This is not an attempt to guess at the pope's sincerity... just a shot at guessing at more general trends


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