Starting a revolution in the states

[netw0rk]

lets start small for a second and ponder on how one would start to organize a group that would eventually lead to a revolution.. not necessarily the states, but I suspect it to be harder due to multiple factors (population & space for one) its not like we could exactly go out in the bush like so many groups do..(once formed) there is really nowhere to go.

So I'm saying.. I'd like to see some of your opinions/ideas on how it would have to be started.. just to organize and bring people in, you can go more indepth if you feel so inclined.

[shyguywannadie]

are you pro or against violent armed revolution?
do you think its esential to have the masses on your side?


Guerillas use whatever their terrain may be to their advantage, it doesnt have to be in a jungle like what some small minded people seem to think.

I think all communists should especially in developed western countries form such a groups andwork towards a revolution, starting off by recruiting as many people as you can, start your own paper and start a propaganda campaign as well as make sure that each member is armed, you should have a couple of buildings at your disposal as well, the more people you have the easier it will be to have acouple of buildings and if you live together it will save money.

[netw0rk]

I think the only way to stay afloat for longer would be "anti violence" to the eye, but everyone would be armed and trained.

rather... not "anti violence" but, not violent to the point where someone would feel the need to take us out before something even went down.. now if something started up im pro no doubt.

[SittingBull47]

Peacefully would be the way to go, but naturally, knowledge in arms could be useful only in extreme circumstances.

[demonio comunista]

guerrilla forces are supposed to use their terrain, but imagine if they are out in the middle of a wheat field. I think they would have to have somewhat complicated terrain, otherwise the opposing forces are going to be able to figure out the terrain in a second. a good place for revolution would probably be the mountains, and I live in NC and I have been to the mountains and i think a lot of people there pretty much hate the government right now. so i suppose if it got any worse then the people would really be with you there. and IMO mountains are just really good for that kind of stuff. and you shouldnt just go pull in anybody, because word would get to people that like the gvt then the gvt would find out. I think it should start with like close friends, and get them to bring in friends, and then put them through tests that test their trust in each other. b/c if you cant trust the people you are working with, there is no way you will conquer. and man if a revolution started up, i would be out of this house with my rifle and ghillie suit so fast.

[Hate Is Art]

I have said this before but each movement will require more than just armed revolution or peaceful revolution. We have to use both to achieve sucsesss.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Well, I believe that if a bunch of people (3000-6000 approx.) buy a big piece of land, start bulding a small city and create a democratic anarchist system and live there, and work hard then they might have some success. of course that then the government will try to overthrow this town, but if the experience proves succesful it will inspire other Communist and Anarchist comrades to do the same thing, possibly nearby, or making the city increase in size and workforce, which would start a new type of society, and if things go well a new world could be in front of us. Still this will require a guerrilla army, maybe in big cities and to defend the "free town". If this expands it will surely keep growing and growing but that's hard to predict.
The most important problems would be reaching consensus and all that people taking the decision to start this project, and of course the imperialist pigs that will start their campaign after they realize the aim of the project.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 27 2004, 06:45 AM
Well, I believe that if a bunch of people (3000-6000 approx.) buy a big piece of land, start bulding a small city and create a democratic anarchist system and live there, and work hard then they might have some success. of course that then the government will try to overthrow this town, but if the experience proves succesful it will inspire other Communist and Anarchist comrades to do the same thing, possibly nearby, or making the city increase in size and workforce, which would start a new type of society, and if things go well a new world could be in front of us. Still this will require a guerrilla army, maybe in big cities and to defend the "free town". If this expands it will surely keep growing and growing but that's hard to predict.
The most important problems would be reaching consensus and all that people taking the decision to start this project, and of course the imperialist pigs that will start their campaign after they realize the aim of the project.
Your plan can work...hmm... ;)

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 26 2004, 08:57 PM
I have said this before but each movement will require more than just armed revolution or peaceful revolution. We have to use both to achieve sucsesss.
i Agree with you. It needs both forms to work.

[redfront]

I believe that an anti-violent revolution would work better than a violent one.
Just look at Martin Luther King and Ghandi, who completed their dreams with nothing but sit-downs and peaceful demostrations.
It would certanly get the people on our side if we didn't kill them...

[Hate Is Art]

but we get their attention if we kill them, don't know about USA but this is how I would achieve it in UK.

1. Start a small group, spread propoganda, get a small following, become a registered Political Party.

2. While this is happening a smaller group of diehard revolutionaries will be training overseas for the eventual guerilla war, possibly preparing for a landing in cornwall.

3. The democratic party should have a small following and will conducting protests and disrupting the governments plans. The group would spilt into a smaller subterfuge group.

4. Subterfuge group starts to destroy government sights, operating my cutting phone and power lines, destroying rail power lines, other actions of the like.

5. By the now the democratic following will be big, and should have some seats in parliment, it will use these to cause maximum disruption to government precedings.

6.Amred Invasion Takes Place.

After point 6, I have no idea what will happen, it is very unlikely it will ever get to point 6, but that I think is a realistic way to achieve a major upheavel of the government in Britain.

[Ernestocheguevara]

Hmmn, some interesting ideas!! Surely educating the working class through penetration in the workplace etc. Teaching them that the government is the enemy and we should overthrow them( a very brief description)is the way forward, building a party for the workers run by workers (the majority the world over)is the only way this can be done peacefully. Supporting the people in local campaigns is a good way to win support, for instance,afterall the Government are always making cuts to vital services which in turn upset the people! Get on there side and unite them to overthrow the government!

[Lardlad95]

So seriously, why didd the FBI send u here?

[PenguTheMightyPenguin]

:huh: Do you really think that will work? :unsure:


:blink:

[Shane]

it would never happen in the US,or the westernworld, but the way to go would be to use force, capture Radiostations, TV Stations. spread the word, recruit people, but at the same time have a none-force group operating, the best way would be to use both, but it would never happen.

[PenguTheMightyPenguin]

but the way to go would be to use force, capture Radiostations, TV Stations....


Are u somewhat demented???

[bunk]

i think although you might have to train abroad it would be impossible to attempt a invasion?? Better to move back to the country earlier and start the revolution from the inside?

[Comrade Yars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 12:32 AM
So seriously, why didd the FBI send u here?
Heh... "Riase the Fist" is all I would have to comment towards in that regard... :(

[BOZG]

Does anybody actually have any comprehension of what a revolution is?

[Rasta Sapian]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 26 2004, 08:57 PM
I have said this before but each movement will require more than just armed revolution or peaceful revolution. We have to use both to achieve sucsesss.
The revolution cannot happen through moderation, It needs revolutionists with similar ideals and leadership, a plan to eventually organize the masses, and finally anarchists will be needed for istant shock factor and to commence rebelion!

This revolution will not be peacefull, it will be bloddy especially if geurillia warfare is used, which would force the resistance into hiding, ie. the underground, mountains, etc.

The other option is through moderation and liberalizaton leading to progressive socialism through politics and a complete re-education of society, which can be hard to acheive with the level and displacentcy of public education we find being offered to the masses of today in the western world....... but thinking positive, this may be possible someday!

peace yall :)