Question for Anarchists?

[Raul Castro]

1. Would you rather work with a soc dem/liberal, or the tankiest of MLs.
2. Say 2 postivie things about modern day cuba.
3. Shed some anarcho-criticism on cuba.
4. Talk about anarchism in 2017, what progress or objectives do you have for this year as an anarchist

[(A)]

Ok I will play.


1. Would you rather work with a soc dem/liberal, or the tankiest of MLs.

Define work with? I would be the target of both in a revolution so would be the foe of both; but if you want to do something constructive like forming a Union or operating a worker-run enterprise I would work with either.


2. Say 2 postivie things about modern day cuba.

I hear the working Cuban people are super nice and that all the food is sweet. Sounds like my kind of place. I have always wanted to go and I was greatly disappointed when I could not afford to.


3. Shed some anarcho-criticism on cuba.

The workers of Cuba should be the ones in charge; All power to the soviets and none for the party!


4. Talk about anarchism in 2017, what progress or objectives do you have for this year as an anarchist

I think the rapid development of humanity is hitting us like a ton of bricks and I think if this upward trend continues it is only a matter of time until things come to a head.
People are becoming more and more socially-aware and we are going to see a HUGE reactionary backlash because of it. Also as technology advances we are going to start running into new problems such as the reality of near full automation and its economic impacts. IF Liberal democracy cant keep the boat afloat (and it cant) we are going to see a new mass movement against our oppressive governments and our bosses.

Our response as Anarchists should be to organize our community's against the government & reaction; to build and seize infrastructure and prepare ourselves as the vanguard of the revolution.
Lets work together to destroy what destroys us.

[Raul Castro]

http://directaction.org.au/issue_33_june_july_2011/workplace_democracy_in_cuba

The cuban workers own the means of production.

http://www.socialistworld.net/pubs/Cuba/00.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBPC

[(A)]

Ok wait; If you already have workplace democracy; why do you need a government?
What exactly does your government do and why cant the workers do it themselves?

I mean if the workers command their own economy why do you have a 20% poverty rate? Has Cuba disproved socialism?
If worker control over the economy cant eliminate poverty or eliminate the need for the state to maintain social stratification Cuba disproved communism all together.

That is unless the workers have a small mostly insignificant roll in the management of their island and their economy; then its simply a state capitalist economy like the U.S.S.R's

[Raul Castro]

to build the economy? Um, embargo much needs a military? Needs to enforce good healthcare, descention into full communism can only happe in a first world country, without the centralized government good healthcare and education cannot be maintained

[Raul Castro]

cuba does not have a 20% poverty rate, dude cuban has one of the highest human development indexes in the world!

[(A)]

to build the economy? Um, embargo much needs a military? Needs to enforce good healthcare, descention into full communism can only happe in a first world country, without the centralized government good healthcare and education cannot be maintained

SO that's ALL reactionary Anti-communist Bull SHIT.

That a worker controlled economy requires a government for growth;
That a armed force can not be maintained by its members;
That healthcare needs to be provided by a government;
That Education can not be managed by the teachers.

All of this is Anti-worker reaction. Their is Absolutely NO place in socialism for a government; It is the most Anti-communist stance you can take; Literally the argument of fascists.
If the workers CANT manage everything the government can; Then communism is not a possibility. Communism is the Abolition of All government and the replacement by that rule with the free association of workers. If the workers are incapable of providing

Health care
Education
Security

Then communism is a simple impossibility. I think you love your country; but you should realize that Communism will never exist until the workers string up the Castro's and burn their palaces to the ground in order build worker run healthcare; education and a militia.


Communism is THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT. >All power to the soviets; none for the party!<


cuba does not have a 20% poverty rate, dude cuban has one of the highest human development indexes in the world!

I am sorry I thought I was quoting a post by you making the claim that the Poverty rate went from 40% to 20%; I may be mistaken; but i do recall the conversation.

[willowtooth]

SO that's ALL reactionary Anti-communist Bull SHIT.

That a worker controlled economy requires a government for growth;
That a armed force can not be maintained by its members;
That healthcare needs to be provided by a government;
That Education can not be managed by the teachers.

All of this is Anti-worker reaction. Their is Absolutely NO place in socialism for a government; It is the most Anti-communist stance you can take; Literally the argument of fascists.
If the workers CANT manage everything the government can; Then communism is not a possibility. Communism is the Abolition of All government and the replacement by that rule with the free association of workers. If the workers are incapable of providing

Health care
Education
Security

Then communism is a simple impossibility. I think you love your country; but you should realize that Communism will never exist until the workers string up the Castro's and burn their palaces to the ground in order build worker run healthcare; education and a militia.


Communism is THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT. >All power to the soviets; none for the party!<



I am sorry I thought I was quoting a post by you making the claim that the Poverty rate went from 40% to 20%; I may be mistaken; but i do recall the conversation.
Can you keep this consolidated in one thread? Just make one thread for all this shit and that way anyone that wants to debate you can do it there. You're clearly not an anarchist, I'm pretty sure you dont even know the meaning of the word. You will probably change your username to (L) for libertarian soon enough. Your positions are constantly changing, and that's fine, but just do it in one thread so we can keep track, so that we dont have to bounce between 29 different threads to figure out what it is you actually believe, or are even trying to say. Honestly you're using so many words incorrectly that someone has to know you personally and the common misconceptions you make to even half understand what you are writing.

Just make one thread.

[(A)]

I did not post this thread and it is open for all to answer. If I am the only one that answers that is this forums problem; not mine.
Also; I dont care.