palestinians beaten

[Intifada]

israeli occupation forces wounded at least 50 palestinians who were protesting against the barrier being built by israel in order to grab more palestinian land.

the confrontation in the west bank village of bait sira with israel followed a day of protests along the barrier which soldiers quelled with teargas in some instances.

witnesses said that palestinian farmers and other supporters were trying to stop israeli bulldozers from razing an olive grove to make way for the wall.

an israeli spokesperson said that soldiers used stun grenades and teargas to disperse the crowd.

five palestinians and an israeli were arrested.

around 100 villagers tried to stop two bulldozers by lying down in front of them but they were dispered by israeli border police who used sound grenades and beat them with sticks.

israeli soldiers also hit some of the protestors with the butt of their assault rifles, and several suffered head wounds.

the bulldozers razed a 150 metre row of olive trees to draw the path for the barrier.

[Intifada]

Palestinian women protest as a bulldozer opens a path on their land.

[Intifada]

Israeli forces used butts of their guns to hit some protesters.

[PenguTheMightyPenguin]

This wall will do nothing but provok.

[Adamore]

the israeli people should die

[Solace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 09:46 AM
the israeli people should die
People with this kind of lame and pointless opinions should be silenced. It's because of people like you that this is ending nowhere.


The Palestinians control 12% of historic land, while half of West Bank is taken by Israel.

Moreover, the fact that the barrier leaves nearly 16% of West Bank Palestinians between the barrier and the Israel-West Bank border (‘the Green Line’), demonstrates that the result of this barrier will not be to keep Palestinians and Israelis apart, but rather to increase the already major humanitarian crisis faced by the Palestinians.

The trapped Palestinians will live in isolated communities or bantustans, at times walled off on all sides. (See The one-family Bantustan in Mas’ha one year into its residents’ demise.) This isolation from the consumers of their products and from their means of survival and sustenance—their agricultural land—is speeding the collapse of these already toppling economies.

The concrete wall, now present in Qalqiliya, parts of Tulkarem and East Jerusalem is 8 meters high—twice the height of the Berlin Wall—with armed watchtowers and a “buffer zone” 30-100 meters wide for electric fences, trenches, cameras, sensors, and military patrol.

Source (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/sep_barrier.html)

UN warns of Palestinian 'despair' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3507065.stm)

And you can wonder what will be the decision at La Haye.

[Intifada]

the israeli people should die

that is a stupid and irresponsible comment to make.

unfortunately, i still think that israel will go ahead with most of the wall.

STOPTHEWALL! (http://www.stopthewall.org/)

[Red Guard]

The Israeli "army" are nothing but a bunch of thugs and criminals. Sharon should be shot and have his corpse dragged through the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

[Hate Is Art]

*****ing, fighting and hurlin insults at sharon will get us no where. We need to sort things out not let our blood boil over and go mad.

But I agree, don't build a wall.

[Red Guard]

I think the only thing we can do is wait til the old butcher dies or gets elected out of office. When are the next elections in Israel?

[Intifada]

When are the next elections in Israel?

november 2007, but it may be one year earlier for legal reasons.

next elections in doubt (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=57884)

[Don't Change Your Name]

This is the new Berlin Wall.
Anyway I didn't hear about this in TV, it seems they were more busy showing the venezuelan army's repression..... :o :rolleyes:

[AmericanZionist2004]

Why do critics of the Israeli Fence refer to it as an Apartheid Wall or compare it to the Berlin Wall? Do you not see that such a step is absolutely necessary for the security of both parties? Those who have coined such a disgusting phrase clearly do not care about the well-being of both parties or are just severely misinformed.

[Intifada]

Why do critics of the Israeli Fence refer to it as an Apartheid Wall or compare it to the Berlin Wall? Do you not see that such a step is absolutely necessary for the security of both parties? Those who have coined such a disgusting phrase clearly do not care about the well-being of both parties or are just severely misinformed.

Israel’s construction of the Apartheid Wall in the West Bank constitutes a grave violation of human rights and international law. The Apartheid Wall will result in the unilateral demarcation of a new border in the West Bank and the effective annexation of occupied land. Other violations of international law include collective punishment of the civilian population, the seizing of private property by an occupying power, the demolition of houses and property, and the violation of such basic human rights as the right to work and freedom of movement.

The wall is not being used in order to protect israeli civilians. It is a continuation of Israel's theft of Palestinian land and iron grip on the Palestinian people's resources. It is also a means of ethnic cleansing. For example, in Qalqiliya, where the Wall hermitically seals the city with one Israeli military controlled checkpoint, nearly 10% of the 42,000 residents have been forced to leave their homes due to the city’s imprisonment, closure of the market, and inability to find work.

[Invader Zim]

The wall is of course completely counter productive to the situation in the Middle east in general, nevermind the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

However to those who claim that the wall is nothing but a land grab, I heard an Israeli minister speaking on the Radio stating that its obviously not a land grab, because if it were they would have taken far more...

:rolleyes:

[Intifada]

However to those who claim that the wall is nothing but a land grab, I heard an Israeli minister speaking on the Radio stating that its obviously not a land grab, because if it were they would have taken far more...

do you believe that it is not a land-grab?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 03:40 PM

However to those who claim that the wall is nothing but a land grab, I heard an Israeli minister speaking on the Radio stating that its obviously not a land grab, because if it were they would have taken far more...

do you believe that it is not a land-grab?
I am undecided, I will wait till the outcome of the situation the wall creates before I make any real judgment. However at the moment it does appear that way.

[redfront]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 06:28 AM
Why do critics of the Israeli Fence refer to it as an Apartheid Wall or compare it to the Berlin Wall? Do you not see that such a step is absolutely necessary for the security of both parties? Those who have coined such a disgusting phrase clearly do not care about the well-being of both parties or are just severely misinformed.
The wall will do nothing but provoke, as penguin said.
If the palestinian suicide-bombers (which i do not participate with) will give there life for a cause, they will do anything it takes to get to israel.

the wall costs millions of dollars, destroy the palestinian farmers fields and makes the conflict even more hot
so i don't see why it should be a reloution to the problem.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 06:28 AM
Why do critics of the Israeli Fence refer to it as an Apartheid Wall or compare it to the Berlin Wall? Do you not see that such a step is absolutely necessary for the security of both parties? Those who have coined such a disgusting phrase clearly do not care about the well-being of both parties or are just severely misinformed.
That's an utter lie. You should know very clearly that Israel is the aggressor against the Palestinians. They always have been. Even the First Intifada was just an uprising of civil disobedience and protests. Palestinian terrorism is a direct result of Israeli aggression.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 06:28 AM
Why do critics of the Israeli Fence refer to it as an Apartheid Wall or compare it to the Berlin Wall? Do you not see that such a step is absolutely necessary for the security of both parties? Those who have coined such a disgusting phrase clearly do not care about the well-being of both parties or are just severely misinformed.
Because it is an Apartheid Wall, designed to defend the Israelis from the terrorists, it also breaks international laws, and it violates palestinian's properties and freedom, and it allows the Israelies control more territory, while none of the Western imperialists talk about it. If it would have been built by the "Soviet Communists" they would have already started a campaign against it. And the only thing they will get with this wall is not uniting both groups which will keep this conflict go on FOREVER.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 02:46 PM
the israeli people should die
You have just proven yourself do be an imbecile.

Congats!

[pandora]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 28 2004, 01:26 AM
This is the new Berlin Wall.
Anyway I didn't hear about this in TV, it seems they were more busy showing the venezuelan army's repression..... :o :rolleyes:
I agree, greatly saddened by this, as well as the other junta actions of Isreal's so called army which are nothing but a bunch of enlisted thugs.
Yesterday I heard that they broke into the Palestine National Bank and stole several million dollars, taking out security cameras and terrorizing the bank employees and customers asserting that the money supported terrorist organizations.
This is out of control, if the UN doesn't stop this the organization will lose all power, That the US does nothing only further shows it's true colors, US money green. What a bunch of #($*

[Y2A]

This wall has been all over the media. But whatever, believe what you want to believe.

[Intifada]

This wall has been all over the media. But whatever, believe what you want to believe.

what do you "believe"?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 09:04 PM

This wall has been all over the media. But whatever, believe what you want to believe.

what do you "believe"?
If you mean what do I "believe" should be done about the situation well that is can not be answered in a single post. I personally believe however that the wall is unjustified and is a landgrab from the palestinians. It will provoke more terrorist action then it shall prevent. I believe that in this conflict both sides are wrong and both sides are doing little to achive a state of peaceful co-existance. The IDF blatently attacks areas with large numbers of civilians to kill a single Hamas militant and the settlements are also unjustified. But the suicide bombings aswell do nothing to help the situation. It only angers the Israeli civilian population and causes more hate towards the palestinians. Both sides are wrong and only until there is enough blood lost on both sides will they realize that this bloodshed is not worth it.

[Tzahal1]

the israeli people should die

Would you be willing to come over and give it a shot, so to speak?