Trump's Bluntness and the Propaganda Model

[The Intransigent Faction]

Sure it's realpolitik, not apologetic, but I waited indignantly for the day when a U.S. President would admit this on live television.
I'm wondering how Noam Chomsky​'s propaganda model would account for this.
Generals looking for operational leeway might appreciate it, but media trying desperately to cling to the narrative of American exceptionalism may not.
It seems to me this is a sign of both disturbing boldness among reactionaries and yet an opportunity for a left which is fundamentally critical of accepted geopolitical norms.
If sections of the "left" can be forced to face the fact that the standards of national exceptionalism which they hold for the U.S. are not some beacon of human rights being destroyed by rabid Republicans, but an illusion projected by a false alternative which bourgeois geopolitics inevitably strip away, then this may present an opportunity.

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[willowtooth]

Obama did that? fucking Michelle Obama did that? republicans still haven't shutup about obama "apologizing for America" as FOX news likes to call it.

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-for-the-first-time-in-my-adult-lifetime-i-am-really-proud-of-my-country-and-not-just-michelle-obama-21-87-44.jpg

Obama apologized for the fucking Hiroshima here's a list by the right wing heritage foundation http://www.heritage.org/europe/report/barack-obamas-top-10-apologies-how-the-president-has-humiliated-superpower

I dont know about Canada but in America we've heard non stop exaggerations about obama "apologizing" for this or that, from right wing media enough to make one nauseous, while most of its bullshit crypto-fascist rhetoric, what Obama did certainly is worth a lot more than a random brainfart by trump

"We have killers too" in other words fucking hillary clinton and barack obama that's who he's talking about if you cant hear the dogwhistles.... and if you watch the whole video the right wing shill oreilly quickly changed the subject to bashing mexicans and building trumps fucking apartheid wall, because he knows theres no way to reconcile the years of russophobic propaganda Oreilly has built his career on with the massive help Putin gave Trump in the last election. Fully knowing that if Hilary received the same help, from the same russian, he would be calling for a fucking civil war like the propagandist he is.

Trump says "We are not perfect because the jews immigrants and leftists have destroyed this proud republic and we must rescue it from them to make america great again", a motto shared by everyone from hitler to the KKK to Reagan. If there's any hint of denial of american exceptionalism (a phrase ironically created by Stalin) is that its been temporarily tainted and it must "cleansed" both ethnically and ideologically

I fail to see how anyone could consider this a good thing

[The Intransigent Faction]

Obama did that? fucking Michelle Obama did that? republicans still haven't shutup about obama "apologizing for America" as FOX news likes to call it.

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-for-the-first-time-in-my-adult-lifetime-i-am-really-proud-of-my-country-and-not-just-michelle-obama-21-87-44.jpg

Obama apologized for the fucking Hiroshima here's a list by the right wing heritage foundation http://www.heritage.org/europe/report/barack-obamas-top-10-apologies-how-the-president-has-humiliated-superpower

I dont know about Canada but in America we've heard non stop exaggerations about obama "apologizing" for this or that, from right wing media enough to make one nauseous, while most of its bullshit crypto-fascist rhetoric, what Obama did certainly is worth a lot more than a random brainfart by trump

"We have killers too" in other words fucking hillary clinton and barack obama that's who he's talking about if you cant hear the dogwhistles.... and if you watch the whole video the right wing shill oreilly quickly changed the subject to bashing mexicans and building trumps fucking apartheid wall, because he knows theres no way to reconcile the years of russophobic propaganda Oreilly has built his career on with the massive help Putin gave Trump in the last election. Fully knowing that if Hilary received the same help, from the same russian, he would be calling for a fucking civil war like the propagandist he is.

Trump says "We are not perfect because the jews immigrants and leftists have destroyed this proud republic and we must rescue it from them to make america great again", a motto shared by everyone from hitler to the KKK to Reagan. If there's any hint of denial of american exceptionalism (a phrase ironically created by Stalin) is that its been temporarily tainted and it must "cleansed" both ethnically and ideologically

I fail to see how anyone could consider this a good thing

He never apologized for Hiroshima. Sounds like another one of those exaggerations. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/22/obama-japan-hiroshima-interview-no-apology
As for that Michelle Obama quote, plenty of Presidents and/or First Ladies have spouted vague rhetoric about "hunger for change." That's not quite on the level of saying "Yeah, they're killers, but so are we."

The closest thing we got from Obama was him bragging he was "good at killing people," privately (he thought) to his staff, then turning around and condemning Russia. Granted I saw only part of the interview, but he doesn't seem to be speaking just about Hillary and Obama. He's never been shy about calling them out by name when speaking specifically about them.

Of course Trump's views on problems with America are reactionary. His stumbling on certain truths (on free trade and military adventurism against Russia, Iraq, etc.) isn't a reason to vote for or endorse him, but he does stumble on them.

[willowtooth]

He never apologized for Hiroshima. Sounds like another one of those exaggerations. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/22/obama-japan-hiroshima-interview-no-apology
As for that Michelle Obama quote, plenty of Presidents and/or First Ladies have spouted vague rhetoric about "hunger for change." That's not quite on the level of saying "Yeah, they're killers, but so are we."

The closest thing we got from Obama was him bragging he was "good at killing people," privately (he thought) to his staff, then turning around and condemning Russia. Granted I saw only part of the interview, but he doesn't seem to be speaking just about Hillary and Obama. He's never been shy about calling them out by name when speaking specifically about them.

Of course Trump's views on problems with America are reactionary. His stumbling on certain truths (on free trade and military adventurism against Russia, Iraq, etc.) isn't a reason to vote for or endorse him, but he does stumble on them.
I think I get what your saying but honestly I think your just trying too find a silver lining in the shitstorm that is Trump. He's only saying this too defend the fact that Putin helped him in the election. If you pushed him on this subject without questioning him about Russia then he wouldn't make the same argument. Or even just asking him to defend kim or the ayatollah in the same way, if he didnt have a political motive behind it he would never say it.

He would never respond to being asked about Iran and how they have sponsored terrorism in foreign countries with "well so have we you think were so perfect" he'd probably do a complete 180 degree turn and say "we americans are perfect we are not like these animals" he would completely dehumanize not only the leadership but the entire country under that leadership. Or even just in America, if you asked him to have this mentality when it came to BLM or mexican immigrants muslim refugees or even the people protesting him the streets he would never say the same thing

this "we have killers too" rhetoric is also something he has said before, when he was running in his campaign, and Putin first started supporting him back in 2015. Again if Putin was supporting Hillary the way he's decided too support Trump. (and we all know why Libya,syria ukraine, etc.) he would be completely livid he wouldve been calling her "commie clinton". He would be the first to wail about american exceptionalism and the evil russian empire. This is the same guy who does business in Saudi Arabia, who just passed a travel ban on 7 muslim countries excluding Saudi arabia who also attacked Hillary clinton because her charity excepted some small amount of money from the same Saudi Arabia. Trump and Pence have both said "america is a superior country, the best country" multiple times and there's nothing suggesting they will stop doing so, unless its to make some excuses for their own actions or for allying or supporting some controversial figurehead, he would probably invite Assad to the white house and say the same thing. But if you ask him what about China,Iran, Mexico or whatever country he decides to go to war with, this "well were not so perfect" rhetoric will go to right out the fucking window and even if you quote him about it, he would probably say "i never said that, you are twisting my words, you are attacking me" like the perpetual crucified victim he is.