Communist mp in election

[Mclaren]

Some body tell me where the communist mp was that stood in the 2001 uk election

[Moskitto]

do you mean the mp from the "communist party"? or do you mean mps from parties which are communist?

if you mean mps from parties which are communist then the marxist party fielded a candidate somewhere in Birmingham I believe and Venessa Redgrave helped them with campaigning.

[Mclaren]

I found him there maybe more it was Glyn Davies he got only 211 votes and %0.60 share of the vote. Hers proff. Go the ballot box way but it appears that in the U.K. you have a lot to do. Also why not have more mp's stading one won't chnage things. Told you people don't vote for coomuinsts. 211 people thats probally comminsts. It was in the consiacey of Alyn and Deanside although there was only a 58.57% turnout better luck in four years a Kamo

[Dreadnaht1]

Mclaren: I am a American Commuinst in theroey in practice i'm a Amercain Capitalist

You mean your a US Capitalist. There aren't a whole lot of capitalists in the Latin Americas.

-Dread

[CommieBastard]

The strange thing being that he ISNT an american...

Also, the reason why more candidates didnt stand for the communists is that you have to pay money to run in elections, and thats something which the communist party doesnt have enough of...

[Moskitto]

precisely

[Mclaren]

Sorry I actually found 6 more communist mps they will go in a table

Birmingham Peenies Bar Micheal Roche Marxist 221 votes 0.59% share of vote 52.61% turnout

Birmighmam Nothr field Abdrew Chauffer 60 votes 0.20% shar of vote 52.81% turnout

Glasgow Gordan John Fater 174 votes 0.69% of vote 46 46.76% turnout

Hackney South and shore ditch Ivon Baeavuis 259 votes 0.85% shar of vote 47.42% turnout

Newcastle upon tyne east a wall sand Martin Lewis 126 votes 0.39% share of vote 53.17% turnout

Newport East Robert Grififths 173 votes 0.53 % of vote 55.74% turnout.

I cheacked all 659 results the most that a commuinst mp got was 259 votes. The monster raving loony party got more votes and they make fun of politics its seems that people are making fun off you!

[gooddoctor]

it is so expensive, £1,000 per seat i think. in scotland the ssp had to raise the entire capital itself from members. it did it in the end and fielded candidates for all scottish seats, but that's like £70,000, imagine what else that could have been spent on! that's why communism can never work, the cp's simply too small to compete with the big parties. the socialist alliance is much better placed to contest an election.

[Mclaren]

If you get a 25 or more percent share then you get your fee refunded

[Mclaren]

Am i right and shut people up

[CommieBastard]

just because communism cannot win in an electoral system inherently biased against it, does not mean that it isnt correct.

[Moskitto]

actually, it's 11%

anyway, I'm thinking of joining the Socialist party when I'm 16. The problem with the communist party is that they're way to stalinist.

[Mclaren]

Yes but there was an indepent mp that one a seat because he didne't wan to close a local hospital

[CommieBastard]

so?

[HardcoreCommie]

if the electoral system is biased against communism, that means that the people don't want communism. I don't think that is the case.

In my opinion the left is just rehashing old arguments and people see right through that. What are most of the posts here about?

They are all reactive. They are all complaints about this and that sucking.

None of the posts are proactive. None say we should do this, or do more of that. All the posts here say is this sucks, lets change it.

Well that's what the left is doing, only it's not telling us what change is, because it has run out of ideas.

The system isn't biased against communism. Communists, like you guys who readily pounce on anything i say which is slightly to your displeasure, aren't helping themselves.

[CommieBastard]

no, we are just taking offence to someone who isnt a communist calling themselves a communist...

anyway, i said the system was inherently biased against communism, not the people. The problem is that the system does several things: a. indoctrinate the people.
b. give the people biased information.
c. doesnt actually listen to the people.
d. teaches the people not to care about politics.

[Moskitto]

independant mps can raise their own deposits which for 1 person it's a lot easier to raise £1,000 than an small organization to raise £400,000?

what they really need to do is to get candidates to raise their own deposits.

[HardcoreCommie]

Nice. Typical reactionary response. The system, blame it all on an abstract. All you're doing is disempowering yourself, by saying that your arguments are solid, its just the people are taught to be stupid by the system. Why don't you try to come up with something new, then maybe the people would respond. When you place the problems of the world on an abstraction like 'the system' then you'll never solve those problems, you'll always be chasing the boogeyman.

[CommieBastard]

the system is not an abstraction, it is everywhere in our daily lives with a physical presence. it is in teachers, it is in MPs, it is in police, it is in the very ways in which we interact with other people.
it is in laws and legislation, it is in businesses and shops - the most essential things that we MUST change, for this is the only way the system can be changed, by either disconnecting ourselves from them or changing them.

[Mclaren]

11% of waht mossikto?

[HardcoreCommie]

The system is everywhere. Kinda like how god is supposed to be everywhere, right?

Well god is an abstraction and so is the system. Like you said it is in the teachers, the mp's the police, they are all part of the system, but the system is not any of them in particular. That my friend is an abstraction, and you're not helping yourself by attacking an abstraction.

[CommieBastard]

whose attacking what?
i do not seek to attack the system, but change it, or create an alternative.
and i did not say the system is everywhere, i said it is everywhere in our daily lives. So no, not like God, because god is supposedly in the sea, in the fishes in my faeces etc.
The system exists, physically, you can see it's buildings, and all it's constitutent parts (hell, if we dont disconnect ourselves we are a part of it). The system is the way we live, and that is what we need to change. The system is our laws and legislatioon, something else we need to change. The system is our distribution networks, and our means of production, also things we need to change. All in all, they are also things we can change, BECAUSE they exist as the physical manifestations of that supposed 'abstraction'.

[HardcoreCommie]

If that's the case then you're not going to convince people to change the system, the physical manifestations of it are impressive.

Moreover, if what you say is true morpheus, then you and I are part of the system as are all individuals. You can't escape or distance yourself from it, no individual can survive independent of society, well aside from cro magnum man and ted nugent.

What I'm trying to say is that the 'system' is your way of excusing the individual behaviour of people. You say it is a real thing, a thing that moves people and makes things happen or not. I think you're wrong. The system is the abstract manifestation of the actions of individuals, you're not going to change the system without changing the person(s) that nourish it everyday.