Big scientific projects in communist society.

[IbelieveInanarchy]

How do you think under communism science would be conducted. For "simpler" procedures i think scientists could work together to create labs with relative ease. However in the case of fundamental science like the CERN project and space travel i don't really have a good idea how and if this would be conducted. Does anyone have some idea on how this would be done? The main issue i think is that science seems to take a greater quantity of capital per worker.

[ckaihatsu]

My conception is that during- and immediately-post-revolution the working class would have a collective interest in *automating* as many productive processes as possible. (This could actually even be considered to be the overall *goal* of revolution.)

So for whatever needs to be fully automated, that would then be the guiding objective for all component inputs of applied science and pure science, working backward. (Maybe it's for better, cleaner sources of energy, fully automated farms, driverless transportation, etc.)

[IbelieveInanarchy]

My conception is that during- and immediately-post-revolution the working class would have a collective interest in *automating* as many productive processes as possible. (This could actually even be considered to be the overall *goal* of revolution.)

So for whatever needs to be fully automated, that would then be the guiding objective for all component inputs of applied science and pure science, working backward. (Maybe it's for better, cleaner sources of energy, fully automated farms, driverless transportation, etc.) Yeah that is what my understanding is as well, there will be a strong stimulus for workers to collectively work on science projects which automate processes and free up labor. However i am speaking about the fundamental science like which is done at CERN, like the search for a higgs boson particle, something which doesn't have immediate implications for production processes, but is still important.

[Blake's Baby]

What's the problem? Some workers will want to look at fundamental physics. Why shouldn't they?

[IbelieveInanarchy]

What's the problem? Some workers will want to look at fundamental physics. Why shouldn't they? Because these are big projects which cost a great amount of investment. Like i said in the first post, it would not be a few scientists getting together and starting a lab, that is relatively easy to do. But to build spaceships and large hadron colliders is in a whole other range, do you think that there would be enough support for projects like this? I personally believe there would be enough support but i am worried that it might not be seen as "practically" applicable to production lines, so deemed unnecessary.

[(A)]

Under communist anarchism science projects such as space travel will be conducted by Unions of scientists and interested laborers.

So lets say their was mass interest in colonizing mars. I imagine unions of people will form around the goal. They will find/process the means needed then labor together to reach said goal.
Communism is usually considered post money so it would be funded by those who produce the items needed. In a money based socialist economy like Mutualism the project would be funded still by thoes participating; those interested and mutual credit loans.

"Why would people want to go to space/invest in space travel if their is no money involved?"

Personally I would think that any group interested in space travel would be full of people wanting to get on the ship. The goal would probably be to make spaceships that then would be crewed by the Unions who built them. Same could be said for any project; to reap the benefits of the labor involved and to share those benefits with the society's involved.

[IbelieveInanarchy]

Under communist anarchism science projects such as space travel will be conducted by Unions of scientists and interested laborers.

So lets say their was mass interest in colonizing mars. I imagine unions of people will form around the goal. They will find/process the means needed then labor together to reach said goal.
Communism is usually considered post money so it would be funded by those who produce the items needed. In a money based socialist economy like Mutualism the project would be funded still by thoes participating; those interested and mutual credit loans.

"Why would people want to go to space/invest in space travel if their is no money involved?"

Personally I would think that any group interested in space travel would be full of people wanting to get on the ship. The goal would probably be to make spaceships that then would be crewed by the Unions who built them. Same could be said for any project; to reap the benefits of the labor involved and to share those benefits with the society's involved. This is also my broad perspective on how such projects would be conducted. I sure as hell would join the spaceship making commune... I was just curious how other leftists felt about this.

[Blake's Baby]

Because these are big projects which cost a great amount of investment. Like i said in the first post, it would not be a few scientists getting together and starting a lab, that is relatively easy to do. But to build spaceships and large hardon colliders...

hardon colliders...

hardon colliders...

hardon colliders...

:ohmy:

Well, I hope there won't be any of that after the revolution!

And I think the term you're looking for is "hadron colliders".


... is in a whole other range, do you think that there would be enough support for projects like this? I personally believe there would be enough support but i am worried that it might not be seen as "practically" applicable to production lines, so deemed unnecessary.

I agree that maybe not everyone would see it as being vital. But, then, a lot of research might be like that. But I think it'll work itself out.

[IbelieveInanarchy]

:ohmy:

Well, I hope there won't be any of that after the revolution!

And I think the term you're looking for is "hadron colliders".



I agree that maybe not everyone would see it as being vital. But, then, a lot of research might be like that. But I think it'll work itself out.
hahahahaha i can't believe i made that typo hahahahhaah, im am deeply ashamed