America the great racist country !

[Derar]

" WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Authorities are preparing to begin searching for thousands of Middle Eastern men in the United States who have ignored orders to leave the country, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday.

Citing officials familiar with the operation, the newspaper said the U.S. Justice Department has identified about 6,000 young men from the Middle East who have ignored deportation orders and has made their arrest and removal the highest priority among hundreds of thousands of foreign nationals who have defied such rulings.
Sources told the Post that Justice officials had decided to enter the names of the Middle Eastern group first. The sources said an undetermined number of them will be sought for capture and removal through regional anti-terrorism task forces that include representatives from the FBI , INS and U.S. attorney's offices.

``We are going to continue to use our anti-terrorism task forces to pursue people ... who may have information helpful in our investigation, and that means focusing on people from countries with active al Qaeda cells,'' one Justice official told the newspapers.

The Post said the plan to give priority to a group of Arab and Muslim men over other foreign nationals has raised concerns among some Arab American and immigrant advocate groups that the Bush administration is practicing racial profiling in its war on terrorism. The vast majority of people ignoring deportation orders are Hispanics from Latin America, the newspaper reported.

Attorney General John Ashcroft and other administration officials have repeatedly denied that ethnicity plays a role in their domestic campaign to locate potential terrorists.

James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, told the Post he doubted that focusing on Middle East nationals who have overstayed their welcome would help in identifying potential terrorists. He noted that most of the Sept. 11 hijackers were in the United States legally. "


my best friend left to the US for education 2 months ago , he worked so hard , couldnt sleep, devoted the last 3 years of his life and prayed to god just to get the visa and go to a good uni. in the USA , i hope they dont heartlessly smash his dreams ..... and his life .

[HardcoreCommie]

It doesn't seem to me that the US is going to round up "any Ol' arab". I think the US government is going to deport people who are in the US illegally. If your friend has a valid student visa he should be okay.
In anycase, i was reading some of your posts derar, and I don't quite get you, are you a communist (or leftist oriented) or a religious fundementalist. You seem to support Bin laden. What I don't understand is if you are a leftist how can you support a man who espouses religious fanatiscism. I think you're looking at the current conflict through marxist leninist eyes, the problem is no one involved, afghan or american, has marxism on their mind. Therefore I don't think this is a manifestation of class struggle, it is the US (love it or hate it) vs an ideology that, from a leftist perspective is reprehensible.

[Son of Scargill]

I agree with you HardcoreCommie,on the fundamentalist issue,I have no love for extreme right-wing religion.But I also think that Derar has got a point about the US(system)being racist.He could have included Britain and most other European nations as well,but America is the big one.Like the British Empire before them,the US is expanding(militarily or economically) its interests around the globe and imposing its lifestyle on smaller nations.It considers the smaller nations cultures/ways of living to be inferior to its own,which is not only arrogant,but is RACIST.All empires do this,they believe because they are in the ascendance,they must be right,and must be the guardian of THEIR free world.One of the key phrases in the present situation was"Our way of life is under attack",which may be true,but it is without acknowledging that other peoples ways of life have been under attack for decades,by the US.I work with many Americans,many I like but some are racist arseholes.That's life the world over.It's just a pity that the arseholes are in charge the world over as well.

[HardcoreCommie]

as an american, I want to know how you define us, racially?

[Derar]

Well , hardcore commie comes to this board and judges me by looking on some few posts of mine !!
fine !
first of all im a leftist socialist ....... someone who believes in a world with no racism , no difference in color or social rank ...... all the ppl should be treated the same ..
and about me being a religious fundamentalist ....... did u say that becoz i supported what a man called bin laden did !! coz 1. Well , bush has the same opinion as u do .
2. i supported bin laden becoz of my desperation , my sadness and frustration from eveyrything that's going on .
how can u judge me without even talking to me , u ask why i supported bin laden ... well ,

when u have friends , each one of them have a story to tell about how their father , brother , cousin , friend or anyone from their relatives got killed/tortured ( in palestine ) and the whole world is watching and accusing them............when ur country is accupied ( julan hights in syria ) but the UN or no country in the world can do anything about it ......... When u see millions of children dying ( in iraq ) and know ppl that already lost members from their family and telling u about the hell they r living while the world is watchin ....... when ur country is bombed , leaving more than 3000 dead civilians and a half demolished country ( yugoslavia ) ...... when u cant send money to ur family in ur country or recieve money from them becoz of a US new policy , and hear about how ppl living outside their country got really messed up and broke becoz of the policy ....... When u r accused as a terrorist becoz of ur religion or ethnity ........ when u see thoudsands of civilians getting killed ( in afganistan ) and the usa says its their war against terrorism ....... when the world looks at u as some terrorist becoz u have a different skin color and wear ur traditional clothes .
when ur country is been accused as a terrorist country becoz its fighting for its freedom , and u r accused as a terrorsit becoz ur fighting for ur country's freedom.
when ur country's economy goes really bad , and see ppl starving everywhere becoz the US felt like putting sanctions on it!!
when no one cares if thousand civilians from ur country die or get killed but the whole world mourns when an american dies !
When u live in a country that has no freedom of speech , no democracy ........... not even 1 % , becoz the US wants it that way ,
then u can ask me why i support a terrorist !

try be in my shoes , and then come and judge me !!

[Dreadnaht1]

"U$A, we smash dreams everyday." <--the new imperialist/state motto

This country is really starting to piss me off now adays so I'm hoping to get a Visa and move in the opposite direction, hopefully a little closer to the equator. I just got to get a Ph.D. before I can actually do anything when I get down there. I feel fucking guilty just for eating this food I buy here.

-Dread

[HardcoreCommie]

hey fuckhead, i don't care if you just got out of auschwitz. Which is highly pertinent here because just as in your eyes the unparalleled suffering of the jewish people doesn't give them a right to their own state in israel, why should your problems then give you an excuse for supporting bin laden.
Furthermore, not being in america, how could you say that discrimination is taking place. Like i pointed out before the US is not detaining "any ole arab[s]" but those that are wanted due to immigration violations. They are not being held unjustly, they have broken laws.

Like I said everyone has a chip on their shoulder, so I'll take out my violin and play a tune for you. So my judgment has now been passed, you disgust me.

[Derar]

As i expected , onother bullshit stupid blind american !!

and i got no more words for this shithead !!

i wonder why has this board been attracting some dumb americans recently !!! like this stupid shit-head and imperial power !

[Dreadnaht1]

Any ol' Arab? Actually the U$A sent out a letter to any middle eastern middle aged man demanding that they appear at a government facility to be questioned by a U$ government official. Speaking of Aushwitz, that's exacly what that is, it's detainment of an American Citizen or American visitor on a VISA based on the fact of their background. Disgusting.

(Edited by Dreadnaht1 at 5:10 pm on Jan. 8, 2002)

[CommieBastard]

How can you claim to be a commie and then say that just because something is law it is perfectly justifiable? whose law? what law? the wrong law, thats what. I suppose next you're going to say i shouldnt eat hash cakes cos its against the law...

[booga]

Quote: from Dreadnaht1 on 9:26 pm on Jan. 8, 2002
"U$A, we smash dreams everyday." <--the new imperialist/state motto

This country is really starting to piss me off now adays so I'm hoping to get a Visa and move in the opposite direction, hopefully a little closer to the equator. I just got to get a Ph.D. before I can actually do anything when I get down there. I feel fucking guilty just for eating this food I buy here.

-Dread


Dread, i hear you about feeling guilty but really what can you do but be glad that you have certain resources at your fingertips for one day maybe not. The world is going NWO no? It doesnt do good to hate so much but maybe to be brave and have as much love as we can to fight against a world system that doesnt promote well-being and prosperity for the essence of MAN.

focus on things that do bring you happiness, and understand that although outside influence sare beyond your control now, (not forever for you study hard now to have them under your favor). many are angry and share your same focus (a better world) so we go foward as we are but without violence only with the fierceness of a double edged sword. :)

[booga]

oh and [email protected] rascism, theres only one race: THE HUMAN RACE AND WE SHOULD RUN IT LIKE WE WANT TO WIN IT. AS LONG AS WE KEEP OUR ACTIONS COOL WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING TO WANT BETTER FOR THE YOUTH AND FOR THE WORLD, FOR MANKIND!
JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS BUYING INTO TRASH AND FALSE HOPE DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE TO.

YOU TELL ME I CANT THINK AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK!

[Imperial Power]

Yes the U.S. is deporting suspected Arabs, but that doesn't happen by one person's will. The U.S. is built off check and balances for everything. Anyone being deported is likely to be a real threat. The U.S. governemnt is the most watched and scrutinized in the world. If any great injustice were happening you'd see it on the news. One thing you all seem to think is that western news stations are so highly biased and dont report stories correctly, maybe your news is just highly biased to the left.

[HardcoreCommie]

what im trying to point out is that America is not the source of your problems, capitalism and america are not synonomous, oppression and america are hardly exclusive.

You said the US sent letters demanding arabs come to police stations. Well you lied.

The truth is the police department of some county in michigan (michigan having the largest arab populations in the US) sent INVITATIONS to arab males to be interviewed. No one was detained and to decline those invitations did not carry a burden.

Don't twist the truth to make america look bad, making america and american liberties look bad doesn't make a case for communism in the least. Make capitalism look bad, sure, but you don't help communism by LYING about what goes on in the US.

How can I be a communist if I have respect for law. Last time I checked being a communist did not mean supporting the complete decay of society and its structures. How can you be a communist without seeing the necessity of law. Without law to preserve a society, there is no society for you to save with communism.

[Dreadnaht1]

Hardcore, I was not LYING I was mistaken, there is a big difference. I did afterall get that information from my math teacher and I simply assumed he was speaking the truth and knew what the hell he was talkign about. Hence I was mistaken. You are quick to call someone a liar when in fact they may be simply misinformed in the not so simple world.

Booga, well put in your post. I agree with you in a certain way. I feel that through my hate I can only produce love for other things. If I hate U$A through and through then I will simply love the struggle to free the world from it and love the ones who are opressed by it. Love for those people and the world is what drives me to become an excellent socialist and an excellent doctor to help those poor and opressed in the world, specifically in Latin America. So Che did the same thing, so call me unoriginal.

-Dread

[Derar]

Well comrade Dreadnaht wasnt lying nor mistaken .
They sent letters to every arab national in the US for an interview , some of them came for it . and some didnt ....
after a while , they started chasing the ones who didnt come , everywhere he goes , spying on him day and night and ofcourse that law was signed by bush like 3 weeks ago ( that came in the news ) ........
1100 arabs stayed in prison since the 9-11 , and that's only for investigation , and before u call me a liar too , read a previous article in the wachington post ...... u might find a link to it somewhere on this forum .
these prisons including college students , there only fault was that they were arabs !! they were held in high security prisons .... with minimum life needs ....... a lawyer of one of them said in an interview that it took him a week just to get his client a long sleeve sweater !!

And then after all America has done to the world u come and tell me that america is not the source of our problems !!!!!
Why is it so hard to admit the truth !!
well guess what !! ppl like u make americans look bad !

[HardcoreCommie]

Yup that's exactly what they did Derar. No you see, unlike Yugoslavia, we have something called a constitution and a rule of law, things are bad but it is the US economic system, not its system of government that is ailing.

The problem with that is that leftist are not making convincing enough arguments to take advantage of the american political system.

[CommieBastard]

The american political system is the largest heap of shit that ever existed, it is not in the least democratic, and if you beleive it is, then you have fully convinced me now that you are not a communist.
As for law, i did not say that law must be removed, i merely said that if you unquestioningly follow the law then you are uncommunist, because communism depends upon a philosophy of change, especially when it comes to law, and that requires a constant questioning of the law.

[HardcoreCommie]

if you unquestioningly follow the law then you are uncommunist, because communism depends upon a philosophy of change, especially when it comes to law, and that requires a constant questioning of the law.

What a bunch of bullshit!

Where did you read that, the memoirs of Joseph Stalin.

Listen when socialist and communist "follow the law" and succeed, it simply reflects on how virtuous the cause is. I.E. Allende followed the law, fine it only got him two years, but the case that was put forth by his overthrow only discredits capitalism. The last thing communism needs is fuckheads who think that smashing up a McDonalds or killing a cop helps the revolution.

I once heard a victor jara song called "a Cuba" in it Jara signs "nuestra sierra son la eleccion." A reference to the cuban guerilla struggle in the mountains of Cuba, he says that their (the Chilean communists) "sierras" are the elections, they will win their revolution not in the mountains but in the ballot box.

[El Che]

hardcore commie you idiot, didnt you see what you just did? you just contredicted your self by doing so have prooved that you are here only to disrupt the follow of ideas and harm the debate!

Frist you say that CB is full of bullshit because he says communism is freedom and is questioning the law you call him stalinist for saying this! wat did you have a brain fart? are you brain dead?

Then you say that in the cuban revolution there were no elections and that the only way to win a revolution is by democratic means. What did CB just say to? didnt he explane to you this very principle that democracy, freedom and questioning the law so we can improve it is an intrinsic part of comunism?

dont play games with us we have niether the time nore the patience!

[CommieBastard]

Unquestioningly agreeing with the law is NOT communist. Who is to say what law is morally correct or incorrect? i never espoused the idea of smashing mcdonalds; that is against my morals and principals. I do not say you should disobey law for the sake of disobeying law, i say that you shouldny obey law for the sake of obeying law. Not all laws are correct, not all laws are moral, and you should never follow law simply because it is law.

[CommieBastard]

ah, sorry el che, didnt see you'd posted here...

[HardcoreCommie]

well then el che, did the cuban revolution liberate the people of cuba. I would be very disturbed if what occured to cuba is what you want to happen the world over. I reiterate the ballot box is the only way to win a revolution, cuba is a perfect example of a lost revolution. Once you pick up a gun its not that easy to put it down, just ask fidel.

[CommieBastard]

Cuba has it's flaws, but the US has flaws in plenty more abundance.

[HardcoreCommie]

Nobody is saying that the US has no flaws.

You say there is a difference between soviet style communism which you deem facism or state capitalism, and real communism. Well cuba is soviet style communism.

listen as a sizeable portion of cubans, nearly 33 percent, and probably those people on this forum who are american, would agree. USA is preferable to cuba.

[CommieBastard]

no, it is many steps up from soviet style communism, for example, it actually has democracy.

[CommieBastard]

also, you seem to think that because a minority of people dont want the cuban system, then it should be turned into a copy of the USA?
making sense companero...

[Moskitto]

Cuba and democracy?

Well it has more democracy than the soviet union but it's still a one party state.

Nicaragua was better in terms of democracy, that actually had legal oposition parties.

[HardcoreCommie]

while minority is the correct term, 33 percent is sizeable. If you're not to sharp at math I'll just point out that it's one third. That's alot of people. Finally I think I'm getting a feel for you. You are totalitarian. From trying to ban me (WTF) to supporting one party rule.

[El Che]

quote from hardcorecommie
You say there is a difference between soviet style communism which you deem facism or state capitalism, and real communism. Well cuba is soviet style communism.

so you agree with me that the one party state of cuba is not comunism? you said it your self: the way to win the revolution is in the ballot box! then you agree with me that the cuban soviet style gov. is not comunism? dont you?

[HardcoreCommie]

who said i didn't.

[El Che]

errm umm well my apologies then, its seems i have comited a miscalculation...

[Capitalist]

Too bad there isn't enough room in the United States and other free countries for everyone.

Too bad so many people try to gain access to our country illegally or risk their lives crossing borders - just so they can enjoy the freedoms we take for granted

Everybody should live in a free, democratic, capitalistic, educated, society like ours.

[Moskitto]

Then why don't you help develop other countries.

give money to charity.

buy fairtrade products (If such things exist in the US.)

If you want capitalism to help everyone then do something about it.

[Dreadnaht1]

Perhaps if we stopped terrorizing foreign nations their people wouldn't run to us. Why? Simple. The people who terrorize everyone never terrorize themselves... openly to the press.

-Dread

[Derar]

What the USA was planning to do from the early days , is to make it look like heaven , by terrorizing other countries , fuck with their economy , if that doesnt work then they come up with an excuse and bomb the hell out of it , and Then say to the world how the USA is heaven becoz it has capitalism !!! IF there is anything left from the world !!
plus onother thing ...... they want ppl to flee their countries , specially the productive talented ones . Coz they really dont want any other country to get developed more than the US. , so whenever they have the chance to , they immediatly give visas even green cards to good Doctors , Engineers etc.
they also sometimes use force , If a famous really good scientist refuses to go to the US , they just kill him so he wont develop his own country .....
i suggest u ppl go read about an egyptian Atom scientist ( i forgot his name )who was assasinated by the cia after he refused to go to the US and work with them .

[HardcoreCommie]

So you would like to have nations limit the movement of their citizens, kinda like the soviets, so they don't emigrate. Great idea Stalin, sorry, I mean Derar.

[Derar]

If u r dumb ..... and dont get things easily ...... thats fine !!
but dont put ur words in my mouth !
We r here talking about the government of the USA not other governments .............
talking about how the USA is trying to ( FORCE ) ppl to leave their countries ....... eaither by screwing up their country , or screwing them up !!

[JOSELUIS]

when it comes to the US i have hate; a pure hate in my heart for this fucking country. and the only people that live in this country that defend it and dont see why people would bring the sept 11 th, is because theyre cracker ass crackers. and if it aint a cracker, its an upper class minority whos trying to be a cracker.one example is of a rich colombian man whose real name is guillermo but introduces himself to people as "bill" how fucking pathethic is that. Also, killing a motherfucking cop with his own gun and splattering his shit all over would definetely benefit the revolution, because theres a war going on outside no man is safe from. they got guns. i dont yet. But when i do. Its on.

[Son of Scargill]

we have freedom of movement in the UK and Europe,but remember kids"Only if you're very good boys and girls".Otherwise,the "nanny"state will confiscate your passport to stop you enjoying this little treat.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from JOSELUIS on 4:19 am on Jan. 12, 2002
Also, killing a motherfucking cop with his own gun and splattering his shit all over would definetely benefit the revolution, because theres a war going on outside no man is safe from. they got guns. i dont yet. But when i do. Its on.How mature of you to say that, H. Rap Joseluis. The fact of the matter is that while there are a ton of bad cops there are also good cops. Now, instead of supporting reforms such as the ones proposed in Prince George's County, which needs them more than anywhere else in America, you suggest that we kill cops. That's anything but productive. There are plenty of young police out there who are trying to do their (low-paying) jobs well to reverse the stereotype of the bad cop and make neighborhoods safer. Now I have no illusions about the cheese's support of DARE and I have probably read every single article on PG County ever published, but don't talk about killing cops. That is beyond stupid.