Why god is evil

[Adamore]

god is evil because he is an oppreorss of freedom
Lucifer just wanted to be equal and god said no your going to hell

and thats why god is evil

[MysticArcher]

I don't think a lot of people are going to respond, not because this isn't a good point (and pretty funny) but people don't want to post stupid one line replies

now that I've written mopre than one line: I agree :D

[ComradeRed]

well, this 'god' was nothing more than this dude's invisible best friend who told him to write the bible over 2 000 years ago, with a 0% chance of misinterepretatin, or miscommunication, and told us to warship a 2000 year old carpenter; i don't understand why the bible, supposedly written by god, wouldn't be flawless, instead there are countless flaws.

[MysticArcher]

his point wasn't that the bible was wrong though ( a lot of people make that point), his point was that according to the bible god does stuff that qualifies him as evil, I mean come on he was smiting people and telling people to stone each other

though adamore seems remarkably pro satan, but I don't have a problem with that

[ComradeRed]

god called himself: evil, good, vindictive, jealous, etc. 'he' contradicts 'himself' over and over again.
What good god has plagues, floods the world, etc?

[Xvall]

Saying God is Evil is like saying Santa Clause is Fat. They are both meaningless, as both are mythological and do not exist.

And what the fuck is an oppreorss?

[MysticArcher]

I think he meant oppressor

Santa doesn't exist? :(

[mia wallace]

it seems as god's cappie if he cares so much bout the status :P


I mean come on he was smiting people and telling people to stone each other
:blink:


Santa doesn't exist?
oh no! :o

[pandora]

What is God? What is it in nature in essence that human's reply to as being spiritual? Or are we all just so frightened of death we clutch to a primordial fear. In order to truly to convert a society to a socialist doctrine i think spirituality must be considered. These things were not seperate in Mexico in the time I spent there, if anyone wishes to comment on this please do. Can not the spiritual wishes of humans to transcend death be conjoined with the wish to seperate man from the alienation of labor?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Why does everybody here see God as the Christian God or Jewish God, worshipping carpenters etc. This is not a challenge to Gods existence but a challenege to scripture.

You prove or disrove God using reason and whatever philosophical concepts you may come across, you dont read the Bible and disprove Gods existence.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 05:04 AM
god is evil because he is an oppreorss of freedom
Lucifer just wanted to be equal and god said no your going to hell

and thats why god is evil
...He didn't want to be equal with God, he thought he was greater than God. Lucifer didn't want equality either. Not that I'm defending christianity but you need to step up your game

[Lardlad95]

Also don't you guys get sick of patting each other on the backs all he time?

[cubist]

GOD is evil?

i would say he is murderous, misogynistic, theiving, oppressive, sounds like the taliban really

[Xvall]

Why are you still talking as though he exists? Shit, he was a lazy bastard anyways. He was more like a mob boss, really. Ordering his filthy little 'angel' chronies to kill children for him.

[Iepilei]

who?

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 07:18 PM
Also don't you guys get sick of patting each other on the backs all he time?
You constantly receive them.....

[Anarchist Freedom]

adamore lets get something straight lucifer didnt want to be equal he tricked the angels into beleiving that he was greater then god but he wasnt soo therefore he went against the almighty and you shall not question the holy ghosts commands because he is INFALIABLE!

im an atheist im just getting something straight


:che:


CGLM! (http://www.cglm.tk)

[Maynard]

Can something be evil if it doesn't exist ?
Wouldn't Satan be just as evil since he wanted to be god himself ? Wouldn’t he look to be just as great as an oppressor ? However, if any of these gods did exist , they would really be the ultimate dictators, wouldn't they ? There would be a lot of political prisoners :)

If god was perfect though , how could he create an imperfect being ? If we were made in his image, aren't our faults his faults ?


In Roman astronomy Lucifer was the name given to the morning star or the bringer of light. Supposedly, equating Lucifer to Satan is wrong , if it the original Hebrew texts are translated, the story about there being a "fallen angel" is meant to be a mistranslation, when the story is about a fallen Babylonian king. A fallen angel is not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text. .So, even this Lucifer business is bullshit :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by BornOfZapatasGuns+Feb 23 2004, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BornOfZapatasGuns @ Feb 23 2004, 11:47 PM)
[email protected] 22 2004, 07:18 PM
Also don&#39;t you guys get sick of patting each other on the backs all he time?
You constantly receive them..... [/b]
Not as much as you athiests. Giving one another high fives when affectivley Mob a lone christian who happens to mention that he believes in God.

[apathy maybe]

Cthenther is not evil&#33; I object to you saying that he is&#33;

(Anyway, ignoring whether God exists or not, there are other Gods besides the traditional Jewish/Christian God. There are Gods such as the one who just built everything then turned the key etc. There are also (single) Gods who are evil. But the idea that the &#39;creater&#39; is evil must mean that we are all evil &#39;cause he created us.)

[cubist]

apathy, youre not wrong, the bible defines the christian god as a creator, and according to the bible we are all evil, as in islam and judaisism, i believe the god being qusestioned here to be one of those religious gods,

[Soviet power supreme]

God is evil?Huh go and tell that to theologists and priests.

They read bible for living and yet they somehow dont see the chapters where god destroys the entire villages and kills lots of innocent peoples for they do not worship him enough.


Why does everybody here see God as the Christian God or Jewish God, worshipping carpenters etc. This is not a challenge to Gods existence but a challenege to scripture.

You prove or disrove God using reason and whatever philosophical concepts you may come across, you dont read the Bible and disprove Gods existence.

Well I think that this thread&#39;s point is to show whatkind of asshole jewish/christian god is.Not to disprove the existence of god figure for it is almost impossible.

[shyguywannadie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 01:47 PM
GOD is evil?

i would say he is murderous, misogynistic, theiving, oppressive, sounds like the taliban really
Maybe the U&#036;A should start a "liberation" campaign

LOL

God is bullshit, all religion is bullshit.

[hobosexual]

yea.. so who all here has ACTUALLY read a bible, or is just trying to be a ***** with their smartass remarks on how "the bible has so many flaws" and ppl are stupid for "worshipping a carpenter" which they prolly just picked off of what some other dumbass said.... thats exactly what i thought.

as for jebus, i can name some other religions that believe in him but don&#39;t believe in god. have u guys ever heard of eck? i think a lot of ppl just like to be stupid and pick a fight with christians by saying "god is evil." and really don&#39;t care if it&#39;s true or not. please educate yourself on the matter before you say stupid things like that.
and i always thought ppl wrote the bible, so how do we god even wanted any of that bullshit in there in the first place. ppl are manipulative, greedy ppl. they could have always changed things around to make it sound better you know.

[Red Bear]

The god christianity worships comes from that very same nomadic culture that endorses mutilation of sexual organs. (Circumsicion, both boys and girls.) Killing of one´s own children if they "bring shame" on one´s name comes from that culture too.

Christianity preaches that when a child is born it is a sinner and deserves death in their god´s viewpoint. Only MERCY can save children and baptism is required. Parents whose child dies before it is baptised fear that their child will go to hell.

The god that christianity worships tortures people in hell forever.

I think god is evil because the worshippers present him that way. It tells more about them than about god, (if there is one.)

[Iepilei]

*nod*

I forget the name of the God in particular, but he was born on the 25th (his name started with an M?). He was a bull-god who required his followers to partake in the blood of animals.

Needless to say this wasn&#39;t the most popular religion, which is why Xianity bought it out.

[cubist]

i have read th ebible cover to cover several times, in NIV, Good nes and KJV versions too, i used to believe until the church stopped ansering my questions with rational and real answers, then i relied on the bible but that is bad too, now i await some real evidence of a creator

[Aspiration]

Firstly, The last poster is a fucking nob. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

In the first: Religion is ridulous in concept, there is no real god entity, so inventing scenarios or questions like, "is god evil" are not only pointless to ask, but foolish to answer.

Religion is, has been, and always will be the opiate of the masses. It merely provides a distraction for the commoners (like yourself) to amuse each other with, while intellectuals deal with bigger problems.

Even you anser, given the myth of heaven , hell and genesis, is stupid and misguided. The fact that god kicked lucifer out of heaven because he rebelled is just fine. God was running nearly the ultimate socialist state in early heaven, no class distinctions or predjudice: nothing to interfere with equality. Satan, in rebelling was bearing witness to the capitalist folly, people not happy with equality break out and rebel, leading eventually to their own downfall.

Ergo and in conclusion, your a fucking nob. Go buy some clownshoes.

[cubist]

Firstly, The last poster is a fucking nob. You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

ok explain how and why, i may be afucking nob but at least justify your opinion, try my knowlege of christianity and the bible? try my understanding and then decide. if i am a nob for being religious i am not religous, so read the posts properly, if it is becuase i am not religous youre infact the fucking nob.


In the first: Religion is ridulous in concept, there is no real god entity, so inventing scenarios or questions like, "is god evil" are not only pointless to ask, but foolish to answer.

great very well founded opinion posting with out constructed argument would be considered a foolish answer too


Religion is, has been, and always will be the opiate of the masses. It merely provides a distraction for the commoners (like yourself) to amuse each other with, while intellectuals deal with bigger problems.

religion is and has been and always will be existing in society it will not just go away, man will continue to corrupt it in order to improve his own personal situation,

the crazy right wing nuts abuse religion in order to make theyre white societies whiter,religion restricts freedom and thought and telling people they will go to hell as well,


Even you anser, given the myth of heaven , hell and genesis, is stupid and misguided. The fact that god kicked lucifer out of heaven because he rebelled is just fine. God was running nearly the ultimate socialist state in early heaven, no class distinctions or predjudice: nothing to interfere with equality. Satan, in rebelling was bearing witness to the capitalist folly, people not happy with equality break out and rebel, leading eventually to their own downfall.

yes great so heaven does or doesn&#39;t exist? one minute you are slagging me the last poster off, and then you have an opinion of some even more useless religious concept


Ergo and in conclusion, your a fucking nob. Go buy some clownshoes. this closing post well ERGO nuff said,

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

religion is and has been and always will be existing in society

I am sure spirtuality will always be around but religion may falter as time goes on, who is to say religion will not die out?

[RedAnarchist]

Maybe - hopefully not of course - religion will become popular again in the future. Of course, people are more educated then they were mnay years ago, and so religions will never be able to make people belive blindly.

[SittingBull47]

meh, I think that you should reserve judgement until you find out all there is to about God, then you can go ahead and say whatever you want. As for me, I think God is good but people interpret him in evil ways.

[Umoja]

Or take the Gnostic belief that God isn&#39;t really god but just some Creator who thinks it&#39;s god. So it&#39;s imperfect, and created an imperfect Universe. So it&#39;s not evil, it&#39;s just no perfect and has an overwhelming desire to be worshipped thinking itself the One.

[marxstudent]

Christianity preaches that when a child is born it is a sinner and deserves death in their god´s viewpoint. Only MERCY can save children and baptism is required. Parents whose child dies before it is baptised fear that their child will go to hell.

that&#39;s the unofficial catholic doctrine- only few hardcore traditional catholics believe this. according to them, unbaptized babies to to limbo- not hell. orthodoxy doesn&#39;t necessarily say this is true and protestants deny this claim.

man can&#39;t explain the supernatural... we can just live our lives- seperating faith with political opinion and see what happens in the end. if there&#39;s god, great. if not, oh well.

[shyguywannadie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 10:13 PM
yea.. so who all here has ACTUALLY read a bible, or is just trying to be a ***** with their smartass remarks on how "the bible has so many flaws" and ppl are stupid for "worshipping a carpenter" which they prolly just picked off of what some other dumbass said.... thats exactly what i thought.

as for jebus, i can name some other religions that believe in him but don&#39;t believe in god. have u guys ever heard of eck? i think a lot of ppl just like to be stupid and pick a fight with christians by saying "god is evil." and really don&#39;t care if it&#39;s true or not. please educate yourself on the matter before you say stupid things like that.
and i always thought ppl wrote the bible, so how do we god even wanted any of that bullshit in there in the first place. ppl are manipulative, greedy ppl. they could have always changed things around to make it sound better you know.
I slag of the bible because its full of shit, and yes I have read it.

Genesis says that Noah lived to be 950 years old, it also says that "god" made humans from dust, and there was me thinking we evolved from chimps.

The crazyness of it all :rolleyes:

[Invader Zim]

God is not evil, because to be evil something actually has to exist.


But theoretically god can not be evil either. God would have existed sinse before the universe and concept of good and evil, so his actions are based upon no possible comparison, so it is impssible for him to be evil just as it is impossible for him to be good.

[Comrade Yars]

I&#39;d have to second the notion of God being Evil... as it only make sense. You&#39;re forced upon a belief that has no physical proof or reasoning, and EXPECTED to believe without any proof or in turn suffer eternal damnation. That&#39;s not mentioning what is to happen to you if you&#39;re not Christian. As Christianity accepts their God as THE God, and anyone who dares worship another diety or none at all, would also suffer eternal damnation.

So... the simplify it... more than 75% of the world is (according to the Christian type folkses) going to hell based on the simple fact true Christianity is not as widespread as one might think.

According to the Bible your key to salvation is acceptence in Christ&#39;s sacrifice for your sins... this is the only way one can get into heaven. Essentially, having had such a sacrifice, you can more or less commit any sin you can come up with (including murder) and still go to heaven, as Jesus Christ died FOR your sins, bearing the burden of each and every one of your sins. Thus, based off of this belief system... Adolf Hitler for one is in heaven :lol: .

Evil? Quite...... meh, religion is ridiculous. <_<

[Exploited Class]

Well, to just add to the fire of this thread.

First of the word evil is about the worst terminology used to describe something, it is an abstract concept and the definition is what fits the user&#39;s use of the word.

So to say God is evil is not a very intelligent comment to make. Define Evil for me.

Saying that he wants to oppress people is evil, is only going to agreed upon by people that feel that the oppression is evil. People who think that a little oppression here and there is not evil, will not agree with that idea you put forth.


god is evil because he is an oppreorss of freedom
Are you really asking people here if they think god is evil or are you trying to find out if people who think that the oppression of freedom is evil or if god oppresses freedoms?

If we remove the term subjective adjective &#39;Evil&#39;. We can do a better job at comprehending and communicating the idea you are trying to convey.

The question(s) could be asked as such.
How do you feel about the oppression of freedom?
Do you think that the worshipping and following of a diety promotes freedoms?
Do you think that god&#39;s laws is oppressive to freedoms in nature or design?

Having been brought up a Mormon, the church feels that the devil is the actual remover of freedoms. That lucifer asked to be in Jesus&#39; place and that he wanted to remove the ability for people to sin and not get in heaven.

So really from a Mormon stand point, they view the Devil as being an oppression of freedom because he wanted everybody to automatically follow god&#39;s design.

I think a better question is, does religion oppress people&#39;s freedoms, not so much does a god concept.

If a religion teaches that sex education is wrong and they have enough members to change democratic policy, then I am affected because I will go to school and not learn proper sex education.

Not being able to buy alcohol on Sunday, removes my freedom for that day.
If a book is viewed poorly by a religion and they work together to ban it then later suceed, then I lost my freedom of choice to read it. Also it stiphals the chances of future authors not writing on the subject matter in dispute. If intimidated by the mass of people&#39;s actions prevents you from accomplishing something because of fear then your freedom is greatly removed.
Stores not being opened on the Sabath, removes my freedom to do shopping on my day off when it is convienent for me.

So I don&#39;t think it is really god, or the concept of god that creates the problem of removing of said freedoms.

It is large masses of people in a religious belief that affect or have an effect on society that removes personal freedoms and freedom of choice.

[Individual]

Don&#39;t worry, they weren&#39;t calling you evil. They were calling God evil.


Define Evil for me.

evil: 1- something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity 2a- the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing 2b- a cosmic evil force

evil doer- one who does evil

So you may be correct in stating that God is not literally evil, however he is an evil doer.


blah blah blah

My question is: Is this an English class? Must you spend your post correcting someone&#39;s pronunciation of a word?


So I don&#39;t think it is really god, or the concept of god that creates the problem of removing of said freedoms

Having been brought up a mormon, I would have thought you would realize what you just said.

If God was real, then wouldn&#39;t the testament be &#39;God&#39;s word&#39;? It is not religion taking away personal freedoms. It is supposedely &#39;God&#39;s word&#39; taking away these freedoms. Therefore, wouldn&#39;t God&#39;s word be close enough to God itself?

This would also go with the question of oppresion. Religion is going by God&#39;s word, therefore God is creating this oppresion. These religions are following God, meaning that God is creating evil.


It is large masses of people in a religious belief that affect or have an effect on society that removes personal freedoms and freedom of choice.

More like: It is a large mass of people that are effected. Again, these people are following &#39;God&#39;s word&#39;, they are not taking these things away on their own. God is doing this, therefore God is creating evil.

You can narrow it down to individual topics that God&#39;s word do not cover (ie. your topic of book banning). However for overall evil doing, God&#39;s word (making it God itself) caused this oppresion.

Whether or not the word was mis-used, I got the point and obviously you did too. I don&#39;t think we are here for highschool English class, we are here to discuss the topic in which this started.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 03:09 PM

So I don&#39;t think it is really god, or the concept of god that creates the problem of removing of said freedoms

Having been brought up a mormon, I would have thought you would realize what you just said.

If God was real, then wouldn&#39;t the testament be &#39;God&#39;s word&#39;? It is not religion taking away personal freedoms. It is supposedely &#39;God&#39;s word&#39; taking away these freedoms. Therefore, wouldn&#39;t God&#39;s word be close enough to God itself?

This would also go with the question of oppresion. Religion is going by God&#39;s word, therefore God is creating this oppresion. These religions are following God, meaning that God is creating evil.


It is large masses of people in a religious belief that affect or have an effect on society that removes personal freedoms and freedom of choice.



You can narrow it down to individual topics that God&#39;s word do not cover (ie. your topic of book banning). However for overall evil doing, God&#39;s word (making it God itself) caused this oppresion.


Well that is the thing, &#39;God&#39;s Word&#39;. god&#39;s word is open to interpretation and religions are the interpreters of said word. Take Mormons for instance, they interpreted that the mark of Cain was people being black, although it doesn&#39;t really say one way or another in the bible. Then the question of how to enforce said interpretations comes into play. Kind of like how we have issues on decided how to interpret Marx&#39;s term &#39;dictatorship of the proletariat&#39;.

So I guess it might come back to a chicken and an egg, if God&#39;s word didn&#39;t exist then people wouldn&#39;t act on those. I would probably go with that, although I don&#39;t know if that gets any closer to figuring out if he is evil.


Whether or not the word was mis-used, I got the point and obviously you did too. I don&#39;t think we are here for highschool English class, we are here to discuss the topic in which this started.

No of course not, and I am not making it into an English class. If I had I would be correcting spelling and grammar and punctuation. This is a philosophy forum and throwing around abstract terms that are completely subject to people&#39;s point of view is probably not the best thing to do and when doing it, it should be pointed out. Philosophy being all about trying to get to the bottom of matters and find the ultimate truth, probably shouldn&#39;t have such gray adjectives like evil in it.

Likewise, since we should be questioning everything, I think it is fine to question the use of the word evil and also fine to question if oppression of freedom is a bad or good thing to all. Stalinists would say that oppression of some freedoms is okay, I would say that oppressing capitalism is okay and removing people&#39;s freedom of choice to participate in a free market is fine by me.


More like: It is a large mass of people that are effected. Again, these people are following &#39;God&#39;s word&#39;, they are not taking these things away on their own. God is doing this, therefore God is creating evil.
I see what you are saying here. I am in that, once was christian, now agnostic trying to get into both mindsets at once. I guess from our point of view, what god did is wrong, creating a religion, setting up rules and asking people to enforce and follow out those rules is wrong and have bad side effects. If god knows the begining to the end, he would have done it in a way that would not have had such horrible side effects.

God just being, I don&#39;t think denotes evilness, one could believe that there is a god but that they do not have the mental capacities neccessary (being mortal) to be able know what god would or would not want of them. Therefore they take everything around them at face value and do not act upon their belief in a superior all knowing eternal being, if they even chose to believe that since they wouldn&#39;t have scripture to base those beliefs on.

I think I am running into a problem of the original post is very small with very little information as to what the original poster&#39;s intent is, and I am trying to make it a bit more encompassing.

I guess we could take the original post even farther, sticking the devil and sinners into hell is oppressive but also could be considered segergative, inhumane torture, abusive and probably a few other undesired traits that as humans we are growing out of the habit of doing, but god won&#39;t.

A better question by the end of this will be, who would want to obey a parent who, when you disobey them they send you to the worst imaginable place for eternity with no chance of parole?

I did say I was mormon but I didn&#39;t say that I was a very good mormon. :D

[cubist]

Well, to just add to the fire of this thread.




So to say God is evil is not a very intelligent comment to make. Define Evil for me.

WITH PLEASURE

Evil by biblical standards, activity premoted by satan or Lucifer as you know him, all Evil activity is directly a Sin towards GOD and his commands,

so by sayiung IS GOD EVIL the question is more is god hypocritical and does he unethically premote the opposite of the moral actions he commands from the people he created, Thus does god commit EVIL like he claims SATAN does.



Saying that he wants to oppress people is evil, is only going to agreed upon by people that feel that the oppression is evil. People who think that a little oppression here and there is not evil, will not agree with that idea you put forth.

QUOTE
god is evil because he is an oppreorss of freedom

Are you really asking people here if they think god is evil or are you trying to find out if people who think that the oppression of freedom is evil or if god oppresses freedoms?

ARE YOU ALWAYS SO PATRONISING?

NOW after not defining what EVIL is yourself criticising what someone says regarding there interpretation of EVIL is pretty petty,

to me someone who wishes to take away the basic funadamental right of a human being is infact someone who is against the existance of human rights and is thus EVIL, by EVIL i mean similar to what christians define as evil a SIN. an activty which hurts the masses for the gains of oneself, selfishness or greed which is defined as on of the 7 deadly sins.

so OPPRESSION of HUMAN RIGHTS IS EVIL

but EC i do agree with what you say about does god do this the answer is no HUMANS created the structure of the church, and it is the church that has oppressed humans.

GOD however could be deemed as evil for one of the following points

Completely wiping out the civilisation of the medianites.

Requesting the killing all the boys of the said medianite tribe after successful decimation of there fathers.

Or saying taking the women to be there own having killed there fathers, husbands, brothers, and children.

I could be that he is misogynistic.

It could be defined as evil for being VAIN aa deadly sin he is vain as he wants everyone to worship him.

or you could say giving people the alternative of eternal damnation is evil.

Killing your own Son.

You could say god has created MAN in his own likeness, but man disobeyed god before the fruit was eaten which means man was created fallable making god fallable meaning if man can commit said evil action so can god.


I am aware that the times were different then the structure of society was diferent what we see as inhumane was normal then but we are here now, not then. So the application of modern morals and standards is appropriate, after all to say do not covet(sp?) thy neighbours ASS could be seen as an incredibly stupid rule for those who don&#39;t know what an ASS is.



If we remove the term subjective adjective &#39;Evil&#39;. We can do a better job at comprehending and communicating the idea you are trying to convey.

The question(s) could be asked as such.
How do you feel about the oppression of freedom?
Do you think that the worshipping and following of a diety promotes freedoms?
Do you think that god&#39;s laws is oppressive to freedoms in nature or design?

Having been brought up a Mormon, the church feels that the devil is the actual remover of freedoms. That lucifer asked to be in Jesus&#39; place and that he wanted to remove the ability for people to sin and not get in heaven.

again valid point i see where you are going but is it necassary to be so onbjective when you clearly know what the poster is getting at?

the oppression of freedom is wrong hence poster is on a socialist website and hasn&#39;t been restricted



I think a better question is, does religion oppress people&#39;s freedoms, not so much does a god concept.

i think the question doesn&#39;t matter as you have disected a question which was actually a statement WHY GOD IS EVIL not why is GOD EVIL.

i have shown in my thread why i feel god is evil but for you a better question would be is god a hypocrite? or are there any moral flaws in the christian GOD which contradict the the moral obligation he holds christians to.




So I don&#39;t think it is really god, or the concept of god that creates the problem of removing of said freedoms.

Well i do, you see the concept of a god indirectly creates oppression of said personal freedoms. Take that christian god (yaqweh) does not exist, when the roman empire collapsed upon collapsing the only promenant international structure of law and order is christianity for the entire of europe, it is controlled by rome. (As before luther and henry VIII catholicism is the only structure), so political affluence is held europe wide from the center of the collapsed empire through religion, thus meaning; that the GOD that doesn&#39;t exist is telling the POPE the leader of the cult, who controlls what the decieved believers think and do. More so, the church agrees with scientific findings of certain inncorrect scientists and hang people who try to disproove it. Further to this rulings of the POPE,he made one about blastphamy and caused many poets and writers to be hung pre 1950, SO the GOD that doesn&#39;t exist, and is just a creation in someones mind and fully restricts the personal freedoms of individuals through out europe. meaning that GOD is indirectly an oppressor of personal freedoms.

how ever i am awrae upon the prooving of the christian GODS existance that the laws are inplace from a true structure and then GOD is directly responsible for removing personal freedoms of those who choose to go against him.

[Purple]

Lucifer was never sent to hell really, he kinda created it with the evil within mankind...

Anyway you need both God and Satan because a "balance" is needed... It doesn&#39;t matter if God actually is evil or not, as long as people think that he is good, then he is good... Satan is needed to symbolize evil not to actually be evil... If there is no evil there is no good.. Both parts are needed, simply as that...

[dark fairy]

:unsure: god is evil because if he&#39;s god why can&#39;t we live in peace {not to be eutopean} but just so that not so many people die and shit like that

[Postteen]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 24 2004, 12:34 AM
Why are you still talking as though he exists?
I agree&#33;Why are we talking about something which we are not 100% sure if it exists?Man has created God and he has made Him evil ,if you like.I don&#39;t care if he&#39;s evil or good.There are more important things in society to think about&#33;(unfortunately.. :( )

[Umoja]

Originally posted by Beatle Kat+Mar 7 2004, 11:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Beatle Kat @ Mar 7 2004, 11:42 AM)
Drake [email protected] 24 2004, 12:34 AM
Why are you still talking as though he exists?
I agree&#33;Why are we talking about something which we are not 100% sure if it exists?Man has created God and he has made Him evil ,if you like.I don&#39;t care if he&#39;s evil or good.There are more important things in society to think about&#33;(unfortunately.. :( ) [/b]
I disagree. We aren&#39;t 100% sure anything exist. Color might not exist. Being alive might not exist. So being humans, and thus inquistive, we talk about it.

God isn&#39;t evil either, every tradition has him being flawed, because a flawed Creator would create a flawed universe.

[Postteen]

Originally posted by Umoja+Mar 8 2004, 02:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Umoja @ Mar 8 2004, 02:02 AM)
Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 7 2004, 11:42 AM

Drake [email protected] 24 2004, 12:34 AM
Why are you still talking as though he exists?
I agree&#33;Why are we talking about something which we are not 100% sure if it exists?Man has created God and he has made Him evil ,if you like.I don&#39;t care if he&#39;s evil or good.There are more important things in society to think about&#33;(unfortunately.. :( )
I disagree. We aren&#39;t 100% sure anything exist. Color might not exist. Being alive might not exist. So being humans, and thus inquistive, we talk about it.

God isn&#39;t evil either, every tradition has him being flawed, because a flawed Creator would create a flawed universe. [/b]
I didn&#39;t say that we&#39;re 100% that he exists.I said the opposite&#33;We cannot be sure if we,the human beings,exist&#33;I agree with you&#33;

[cubist]

you can&#39;t discredit something that doesn&#39;t exist, so you talk about him as he he does inorder to show how rediculous it is

[dopediana]

god is only evil if you believe in him. i take it many of us do not believe in god and are saying he is evil in order to discredit the faith of those who believe he is good. god is a matter of misplaced faith and energy. people spend so much time worshipping god (does he really need all that incense and myrrh and burnt pig?) that they forget about what really matters: people. god is a sick joke that keeps people from existing the way jesus existed, which they think was a great life.

[Comrade Zeke]

First off God only exsists to the Christains,Muslims,Jews and the Morman cult that worships him...second of I don&#39;t beilive in god......I beilive in gods and goddesses THE great Pagan gods of Ancient Greece, the true religion&#33; When It comes to spirtuality.....If you beilive in something it will manefeist it self in to your soul and it will become real. It only exsists if you beilive in it....Zeus and the other 12 great gods and goddesses are the true rulers of this world not this god that seems to want to kill anyone who doesn&#39;t worship him. (My eailer remark about things Manfesting themself into this world if you beilive in them......this doesn&#39;t count for the Easter bunny,Sanata clause etc...so don&#39;t come back with some lame remark like that. God is not evil.....god does not even exsist in my mind...the Olympians took his place long ago. But is God evil?????
Here is my plain remark:From John Lenon. (sorry about spelling)


Imagen if there was no Heaven??? Imagen if there was no Hell
Imagen...all the people&#33; Imagen&#33;&#33;&#33;
Imagen....
Imagen.... :D

[Postteen]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 9 2004, 07:56 AM
second of I don&#39;t beilive in god......I beilive in gods and goddesses THE great Pagan gods of Ancient Greece, the true religion&#33; When It comes to spirtuality.....If you beilive in something it will manefeist it self in to your soul and it will become real. It only exsists if you beilive in it....Zeus and the other 12 great gods and goddesses are the true rulers of this world not this god that seems to want to kill anyone who doesn&#39;t worship him.
Well....I don&#39;t want to say anything bad about your religion.but,it&#39;s crazy to believe(by me) that there are 12 gids and goddesses who live in the mountain Olympous and behave like human beings,(they are jalous of each other,fell in love with men,etc).Do you belive that Zeus is Cronos&#39;s son(a gon who would eat his children),that Afrodite is the goddesse of love and beauty and that Hira is Zeus&#39;s wife?Eyripidis,didn&#39;t believe in such things,and that&#39;s why they called him atheist&#33;And all the materialists phulosophers didn&#39;t as well&#33;Prove me that you&#39;re right and I mayy change my mind.

p.s do you sacrifice animals or something?Cause they do need sacrifices&#33;

[RedAnarchist]

Look how humanity has progressed.

The older religions have a pantheon of gods (polytheism).

The old religions have one god (monotheism)

Many people have no god (atheism)

All fields of life from science to politics have progressed, and the dwindling of gods and goddeses has shown that humanity has also progressed spiritually as well.

Of course, this post is not to say that religions like Hinduism and Paganism are primitive. They are just as civilised as Christianity and Islam.

[Comrade Zeke]

Well..lol its hard to proof the exsistence of the gods. But look at history...Who was the Greatest War General on the Plannet?? It was Alexander the great never lost a battle and prayed each day to the god Apallo. What is one of those great empires??? you guessed it the ROman Empire...they worship the gods intill the christians destoryed it. In my views since people know what the gods look like the gods themselfs can manifest themselfs into the wolrd and help us on our paths. Example we don&#39;t know what the christain god looks like so how the fuck is he supposed to have power from his spirtual ness how can he help us if we can&#39;t see him. Now if you beilive in Jesus or in the Virgin Mary you can think of them in your mind and make a spirutal connection...now god when I was a cristian that never happend nothing ever happend. Yes Zues is married to Hera, Aphoridite is the goddesss of love etc. I don&#39;t beilive in Greek mythology or anything however and the gods to not live at the top of Mount Olympus they live in a spirtual plane. I don&#39;t sacrfice anything but non-living objects. The gods sacred objects...and I pray when ever I need them to guild me. The Philoshohers although they did not really worship the gods they still beilived in them. Thanks to the gods in my opionion...the Philoshopers were the great thinkers of the day they had "dervine intervention" I fully think my religion is real..but I don&#39;t beilive in any of this Mytholgy Crap. sorry about spelling*

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

The Philoshohers although they did not really worship the gods they still beilived in them.

Actually most pre-Socratic philosophers id not believe in God. Socrates...tried for atheism although he wasnt really...


Thanks to the gods in my opionion...the Philoshopers were the great thinkers of the day they had "dervine intervention"

Thank the Gods for what exactly? You honestly believe philosophy has anything to do with divine intervention, in my mind the whole notion of using one&#39;s own reason is a fundamental part of philosophy.

[Comrade Zeke]

Dervive intervnention meaning mabey the gods gave the gift to Aristotle,Plato and Scorates to think of those great ideas. Not exacly like a plan...just one Athene poped into their minds and gave them the seed of Idea they grew from that becomming great Philosphers. But then if there selfish greed disowned the gods....that is just a theroy of mine.....BUT MOST LIKELY THE OLYMPIANS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. You never know....I am just stating an oponion. :D

[ComradeRed]

"god" supposedly speaks to one prophet with 0% chance of mis-translating, and no problems telling the people of the message without any miscommunication. yeah :rolleyes: if "God" exists "He" really isnt as smart as people take him to be.

[Comrade Zeke]

There is a diffrence between "God" who doesn&#39;t care about the Human race and my gods who interact with Humans and everyone is desended from them lol :D "God and Satan" are there to scare the Human race the Olympians are here to help.

[ComradeRed]

"God" is nothing more than "my invisible best friend"

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 11 2004, 03:40 AM
Dervive intervnention meaning mabey the gods gave the gift to Aristotle,Plato and Scorates to think of those great ideas. Not exacly like a plan...just one Athene poped into their minds and gave them the seed of Idea they grew from that becomming great Philosphers. But then if there selfish greed disowned the gods....that is just a theroy of mine.....BUT MOST LIKELY THE OLYMPIANS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. You never know....I am just stating an oponion. :D
Oh I see I thought you actually believed that the philosophical ideas of the great philosophers were implanted by divine intervention.

[Comrade Zeke]

Not at all the Human race has great control over their phyiscal minds....The gods made their creatures to think, and learn from their expericneces. The Christian god however wants to control everything he want to sit on his high throne and control the minds of people...he is just as bad a a greedy boss or a sinister dictator Saddam. That is one of the reasons I switched to being a Pagan the gods do not want to harm like the Christian god they want to walked side by side (Invisble) or go into the bodies of mortals to help us. I never saw God that before&#33;
Olympian gods 10, Jahova, zip
Zeke

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Now I understand the Jim Morrison avatar, the myths and the Dionysun...

[Comrade Zeke]

No I just love his Music...We all need to break on through to the other side lol I think after the Beatles best band ever. Plus Jim Morrison is cool lol, never knew he worshiped the Olympian god Baccus.

[che's long lost daughter]

I believe in the existence of a God but I do not believe in what the bible says. If you base your idea of a God from what it says, you&#39;d definitely think that he is evil. People always say that god is evil because they ask that if he truly is good, he wouldn&#39;t allow us to suffer. But the god I believe in is not evil, he did not give me my sufferings. He gave me free will which makee me decide on my own. And sometimes, these decisions I make is what causes my sufferings.

[insurgency03]

Too some extent he is evil, i&#39;ve been looking at dualism recently, and it seems to make somewhat of a lot of sense. Dualism says that they&#39;re are to alter-egos to God, theres God the oppressor the God of the old testament, and God the compassionate, the God of the gnostics, and the God that Jesus attempted to advocate( although we dont give him enough credit, he and plato were probly the earliest communists, and he&#39;s one of the first pacifist to come out of a middle eastern religion

[Trissy]

he and plato were probly the earliest communists

Sorry, I know this is slightly off topic but how is Plato a communist? Surely his theory of a Republic with people of different value (gold, silver and bronze) is a Utopian and a totalitarian philisophy?


He gave me free will which makee me decide on my own. And sometimes, these decisions I make is what causes my sufferings

But how do you know this non-Christian God gave you freewill? Can&#39;t you just say that some of your decisions cause harm and live with that? Why is there any need to bring in supernatural powers and assumptions in order to explain human ignorance?


That is one of the reasons I switched to being a Pagan the gods do not want to harm like the Christian god they want to walked side by side (Invisble) or go into the bodies of mortals to help us. I never saw God that before&#33;

Admitedly a pagan God is better then a typical monotheistic God but can&#39;t we still ask why we need such a Being/Beings? Why can&#39;t the human species just admit that there are things we don&#39;t know and things we may never know...