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lequyan
4th June 2016, 10:54
Hello everyone.

As a new member of the forum, I'm not sure which sub-forum this thread belongs to. So first of all, apologies for any inconvenience caused.
I briefly mentioned the situation in Vietnam in my introduction thread.

I'll now discuss this matter in further detail.

THE SITUATION IN VIETNAM

I. The current state of affairs

1. Economy

I can guarantee that the economy in Vietnam is now capitalist. Capitalist relations are now fully restored (some may say they were always there in the first place, depending on the tendency). No, not even "state capitalism" in the Tony Cliff kind of sense, normal capitalism. It might be considered "state capitalism", perhaps in the Keynesian sense.
First and foremost, private property is protected by the state, in the constitution. It says “people are free to conduct business activity, their business will not be nationalized, protected by the state and the law”

State owned enterprise now make up less than 5% of the economy, and that include the ones which the state owns 50%. There are statistics we can find about this, even on official governmental sources. In fact, we can see this for ourselves just by walking on the streets of Vietnam. When was the last time a Vietnamese citizen see with their own eyes, a state owned enterprise of any sort?

There are 21 state owned enterprise left that are 100% owned by state. Soon to be privatized, or at least partially privatized, i think.

Having said that, there are public-private partnerships, large projects funded by state budget from time to time. The reality of that we must face, most of these projects make huge losses. This could either be because of corruption, bureaucratic management or the fact that its simply that its just not in the interest of the bureaucrats to run these state owned enterprise properly. Unlike the central planning period - which their main source of income is state owned enterprise; these officials now make much more money by privatizing these companies, embezzling the money from this selling, or even putting their family members or themselves as executives of these now privately owned companies.

There is a stock market in Vietnam. There are publicly known millionaires. These are not just “NEPmen”, but proper bourgeois. It is quite conspicuous that this “Renovation” (Đổi Mới) process has went much further than just "Lenin's NEP" type of reform.
In the constitution, there’s no private ownership of land. However, buying and selling of land happens on a daily basis, even protected by the state.

Overall, the state does own enterprises in "commanding heights of the economy". However, with the exceptions of telecommunications, media, and energy, even in these sectors, private enterprises dominate.

As for taxation, there’s no progressive taxation. The income tax is 25% - lower than Britain. Tax money isn’t used that effectively anyway, and this will be discussed later on.

Finally, the state aims to attract foreign capital. “Concessions” would be an understatement – a lot of foreign companies has gotten away with worker abuse, tax evasion.


2. Social welfare

Healthcare and education is no longer free. Even in public schools in hospitals.
In public schools and private schools, beside tuition fees, the parents have to pay all sorts of fees. Not to mention if the parents to do not pay bribes to teachers, their children won’t be left alone, and will be picked on by teachers.
Teachers, previously part of the white collar proletariat, in the Vietnamese conditions, now has become the petty bourgeois. A lot of teachers, in public and private schools alike, open cramming classes outside of school. To maximize their income, there have been cases where teachers do not teach the whole curriculum at school, in order to force the children to go to the cramming classes (which they own of course). If the children aren’t sent to these cramming classes, again, they’re picked on by the teachers. Teachers, once a progressive force, (and still is a progressive force in most nations), is a reactionary force in Vietnamese conditions.

There have been many cases, especially in the rural areas, where children had to drop out because they can’t afford education.
As for healthcare, no universal healthcare. There is a state funded insurance system. However, the insurance only cover the cost to a certain degree (70% minimum on paper), in certain situations, with certain illnesses, only if you go to the hospital you registered. In reality, there are very few situations where you would get 100% of the cost covered; most only get 20-40% covered. Cost of purchasing medicine is not covered. Pharmacies work together to push up the price of medicine. Doctors make deals with pharmacies, saying you need more medicine than you actually do, so the pharmacies can sell more, and the doctors get a share of the profit.

In public hospitals, you pay bribes to get checked up before everyone else. If you don’t have money – then have fun waiting even though you came to the hospital first.

In private hospitals and clinics, they’ll try to rip you off by making you take a bunch of test. So there’s two options: being ripped off at a public hospital, or at a private hospital. Either ways, if you’re poor, you’ll definitely suffer.

Social housing does exist nominally, but even when its called “social housing”, it remained unaffordable for large sections of the population. The working class mainly has to rent cramped, rundown apartments. I have seen builders who have to live in tents or shacks.

There is a “living wage law”. In theory, the minimum wage increases along with inflation. In reality however, the minimum wage only covers 50% of the daily expenses. The working class in Vietnam suffers from malnutrition, because they have to cut down on their spending to survive. Many have to work double shifts, two jobs two gain extra income.

Unemployment benefit is close to non-existent. If you’re fired, then welcome to the informal sector. In the worst case scenario, unemployment means prostitution, criminal activity to survive.

3. Class consciousness
The Vietnamese working class is plagued by false consciousness. The bourgeoisie and petty bourgeois uphold bourgeois and petty bourgeois ideology, but that’s obvious.

Everywhere throughout Vietnam, there’s a strong nationalist sentiment. This is the direct legacy of Ho Chi Minh. This nationalist sentiment, has degraded from the “national liberation” sentiment to the extreme, racist anti-Chinese nationalism.

The current consensus among the Vietnamese population, throughout different classes, is that the “evil Chinese has caused everything”. Pollution? “Evil Chinese has come here and did this. The “civilized Western company” would never do this”. Exploitation and worker abuse? “Evil Chinese has come here and did this. The “civilized Western company” would never do this”. Unhealthy food on the market? “Evil Chinese has come here and did this, flooding our market with unhealthy food. The “civilized Western company” would never do this”. Internationalist like me are looked down upon as “unpatriotic” and “idealist”. (Rabidly hating the entire Chinese population, blaming everything on the Chinese, saying you must love your nation no matter what is apparently, very rational). Corruption? “Politicians sell out to evil Chinese”.

Everything is viewed from the perspective of “national interest”. In the heads of the Vietnamese population, the worker and the capitalist have the same interest, because they’re both Vietnamese. All history, in their minds, is the history of national struggle, where nations fight each other to benefit their own population.

There’s some vague conceptions about “oppressor and oppressed”, however, its more similar to the an-cap/right wing populist style of argument. They think society is divided into 2 camps: “the state” and “the people”. “the state” is..well.. the state. “The people” include anyone who aren’t government officials, workers, capitalists alike. “The people” has common shared interests. Workers, capitalists are not classes, but merely different occupations, having different social functions. Workers and capitalists should “cooperate to maintain harmony and develop the nation”. Class collaborationism at its best.

The older generations, are more sympathetic to Marxism. However, while they’re critical of the current regime, they’re also viewing from a nationalist perspective: capitalist can be rich all they want, as long as they benefit the country.

Class has been thrown out of political discussion. I dare say US population has better class consciousness than Vietnamese population. At least in the US, there’s a growing social democratic movement, vague consciousness about “the 1%” among the youth. In Vietnam, they outright denies the concept of class. Most people think “rich people just worked harder and deserve their money”. Some even say “poor people are lazy, so they deserve it”.

In terms of economics, people attack Marxism-Leninism; they think free-market capitalism is the best thing in the world, and is synonymous with democracy and freedom. They think the solution to the problems is to privatize everything, and the quality of goods and services would improve, and prices will be cheap. And I do mean everything.

As for the youth, the situation is even worse. Young people worship America, think that US is the paradise of freedom and democracy. I tried criticizing USA once, while also criticizing the current Vietnamese regime, and they called me “brainwashed by Viet Cong propaganda”. You should’ve seen the reactions of the Vietnamese youth when Obama came to Vietnam last week. Truly horrifying…

You can’t even talk about public ownership of anything without being called an evil government supporter. Tried talking about free healthcare and education – got attacked as “utopian”. “Utopian”…. It seems that the Vietnamese population has become so hostile to left wing politics that even social democracy seems too extreme and radical.

4. Politics

It’s a one party state alright – but there are factions. So in the end, one party or multi party doesn’t matter – that’s just the form. The content remains the same. (I might be wrong with my understanding of the concept of “form and content” here. Criticism are welcomed).

The political system takes the form somewhat similar to bourgeois democracy, only with even less democracy: one person one vote, voting based on geography rather than industry, government at central level are not built from lower levels (unlike the grassroots democracy of the soviets). Being an official is a profession. The national assembly is a rubber stamping body (it has gained more power to debate recently). The executive and legislative branches are not combined (unlike the Paris Commune), resulting in a large bureaucratic apparatus.

Elections are still held, with candidates chosen by the Fatherland Front (controlled by the ruling party).

Reformism is non-existent here. People have no faith in the voting system, so they don’t expect to elect someone who can fix issues.

Within the party, there’s a pro-China, and a pro-US faction. Either ways, its choosing which imperialist to cater to. There’s no “socialist” or “leftist” faction wishing to build socialism in Vietnam.

However, most anti-communist sources portray this in a different light: there’s a “conservative” faction who wants to return to central planning, and a “progressive” faction who wants to follow the US model. Pure bullshit!

No one with a common sense, I’m sure, would disagree, that within the party, a significant majority don’t even know what Marxism is; neither do they believe in it.

Since 2002, party members are allowed to own private enterprises with no limits. Their reasoning is “this is the party of the working class, so we should allow the bosses of the working class to join as well” (?????). I’m not making this up.

I ensure all of you here on Revleft, that this is not a “deformed workers state”, or “bureaucratic collectivist” state in a Trotskyist sense. There’s no gains of the revolution to defend anymore, all of that is lost.

However, I do have a problem analyzing the class nature of the state in Vietnam. The proletariat certainly does not have any political power. The bourgeoisie can indirectly influence the government, but nowhere near the level of other capitalist states. Capitalists can bribe officials to gain contracts, to get away with tax evasion and producing harmful goods. But that is as far as it goes. In fact, many companies still have to pay bribes to officials so that they leave them alone. So, my question is: Is Vietnam a “Bonapartist” state? Or just a regular bourgeois state?

Currently, the only force of political opposition are anti-communist underground parties. Their rhetoric goes: “Vietnam is an evil communist country who upholds the wrong and stupid theory of Marxism-Leninism, and denies the people freedom and democracy. They cripple free enterprise blah blah hurr durr”. They are fighting an imaginary foe. In their head, Vietnam is like Cuba and the Soviet Union. The Marxist-Leninist Vietnam no longer exists. However, they have been gaining in popularity, due to the false consciousness of the Vietnamese population.

As for the left wing, the situation is sour. There’s no Marxist organizations. None. There’s no leftist opposition to the government in Vietnam. Not even centre-left social democrats.

The mainstream communist party is definitely a no. The communist youth organizations, also a no. As mentioned above in the section about class consciousness, even if I do join these organizations, the members are not taking Marxism seriously. Most people join for personal interests.

5. The threat of fascism

Alarming! The political system of Vietnam is starting to take the form of a fascist corporatist state. Society is organized into different groups with different social functions, each group have a their own national-level union to represent their interest. These national-union level is controlled by the state (in reality not doing much). Workers have “tổng liên đoàn lao động” – National Confederation of Labour. Capitalists have “VCCI” - Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Recently there was a clash about minimum wage – and in a truly corporatist fashion, VCCI and NCL negotiated. No direct confrontation – aimed to maintain “class harmony”. Both of these organizations are in theory elected, but in reality are as democratic as the ruling party Politburo.

What’s even more dangerous, is that the class base of fascism is solidifying. Among those who oppose the government, the petty bourgeoisie has resisted most strongly. The proletariat in Vietnam is disorganized, the petty bourgeoisie’s protests are much more frequent then workers’ strikes. Most of the protestors are small land owners, peasants who lost the land due to industrialization, and small traders. It is only a matter of time before the current regime falls, as it is currently very unpopular. Just have a look through a couple of anti-communist Vietnamese facebook pages, and look at the number of likes. The comments, are filled with people saying we need to overthrow the government. The only reason why the current regime last this long, is because managed to maintain a level of economic growth. This, combined with the lack of faith reformism, angry petty bourgeoisie and the rabid nationalism, means that once an economic crisis hits, the population would be very easily radicalized. This would’ve been an advantage, if the Vietnamese working class was class conscious. But this isn’t the case. Thus, the conclusion is: In a situation of crisis, Vietnam will likely fall to fascism. So to refer to Lenin - What is to be done?

II. WHAT IS TO BE DONE?

As we can see from part I, the system is bleeding the working class dry. I’m posting this here, to inform you all about the Vietnamese situation, so that I can get some advices. To be honest, I truly do not know what to do. I know we must start somewhere. I know the answer is “if the Left don’t exist, then build it!” Realistically, with the overwhelming majority of the population turning to extreme nationalism, condemning Marxism or any left wing political ideology for that matter, uncritically supporting capitalism, etc.. building the left or raising class consciousness seems impossible to me. Like I said above, even social democracy at this point sounds too radical for them.

I do have plans to produce communist propaganda materials. But is this it? If I were to create a Marxist organization, members would be only around 100. And that’s really lucky. Might I just add that the Vietnamese population is 90 million? Unlike other countries, where there are a number of Marxist organizations which I can join, this is not an option for me.

What to do now comrades? I’m not willing to just sit there and look at Vietnam fall to fascism. But at the same time, I’m just one person.

What to do…

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Sorry about the lengthy post - i do feel that i need to provide everyone with adequate information about the situation to be able to give advices or suggestions.

John Nada
7th June 2016, 00:12
What do you think of Ho Chi Minh? What's the popular perception of him? Is his Marxism downplayed and used more as a nationalist symbol?

lequyan
7th June 2016, 13:24
I would say that he's a left-leaning populist nationalist. Comparable to Hugo Chavez or Nelson Mandela or even Mao - though with less economic adventurism. Undoubtedly, he's very progressive, as he opposes exploitation, racism and backwards traditional attitudes towards women. His tactic to was to unite all Vietnamese people, including what he called the "national bourgeoisie" in a struggle against colonialism, to expropriate the "comprador bourgeoisie" and the imperialist only. His attitude towards the national bourgeoisie was to "guide them towards the peaceful socialist transformation" instead of expropriation. Even in the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence, Ho Chi Minh not only discussed the oppression of the working class, but he also talked about how "the colonialists prevented our patriotic capitalists from thriving". Therefore, economically, he was a radical social democrat at best. Of course later on, Vietnam adopted a centrally planned economy, probably due to pressure from the 3rd International and China.

Politically, when Ho Chi Minh was younger, he admired the liberal Enlightenment principles of France and US. That went on to shape the Vietnamese political system. Like I posted above, that's why Vietnam's governmental structure vaguely resembles bourgeois parliaments rather than grassroots soviets.

Ho Chi Minh claimed to be a Leninist, but his reason had little to do with Marxism: "I admired him because he was a great patriot who liberated his compatriots". So his reason for following Lenin was probably the Leninist line of "self-determination of nations". Nevertheless, he later on said: "I gradually came upon the fact that only socialism and communism can liberate the oppressed nations and the working people throughout the world from slavery." But does this make him Marxist in the Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, or Stalin kind of sense? I doubt it. At best, I would describe him as a Marxist sympathizer. Even Stalin criticized Ho Chi Minh at the 3rd International for his "petty nationalism".

So, in conclusion, to Ho Chi Minh, Marxism was probably a means to a nationalist end.

As for popular perception, he is still loved by many. He's however, not surprisingly, seen as a nationalist hero rather than a liberator of the working class. The ruling class uses his cult of personality to their own advantage, occasionally mentioning Marxism-Leninism here and there to maintain the socialist look. But most of the time, the rhetoric surrounding Ho Chi Minh is nationalist.

With the current tide of extreme nationalism and capitalist worshiping growing, there's a growing section of the population who regards him as a "spy for the Chinese", "evil communist who ruined the economy".

Might I add that along with the cult of Ho Chi Minh maintained by the media (which the population find less believable as time passes), among the population, there's a growing cult of capitalists: people here worships Bill Gates, Pham Nhat Vuong (look him up - he's the Vietnamese millionaire) and other US millionaire.




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So, anyone have any suggestions? The main reason I posted this here was to get some help. Believe me, the situation isn't as stable as it looks. Western media often portrays Vietnam as an authoritarian state with obedient population. From my analysis, I can tell that it's only a matter of time before it's the last straw and shit hits the fan.

Alet
7th June 2016, 17:09
My knowledge on the current situation in Vietnam is very poor, and I guess that this holds true for most people here. We might give you some ideas but few could draw up a concrete plan, I think. Therefore, it will mainly be your own duty to find out what's to be done. However, this thread shows that you seem to have the necessary engagement and will to attend this task. What Revleft can provide you is a theoretical equipment and a platform to discuss more "general" topics, which you might be able to apply to the predicament in Vietnam. In order to approach the political controversies in Vietnam, you might want to meet other socialist intellectuals in your country, so that you can debate on concrete issues. I know that this is hard, especially in a country that denies political opponents basic rights. Nevertheless, I don't see an alternative. Even if you were not able to find other like-minded people, even a lone individual can have a great impact.


Realistically, with the overwhelming majority of the population turning to extreme nationalism, condemning Marxism or any left wing political ideology for that matter, uncritically supporting capitalism, etc.. building the left or raising class consciousness seems impossible to me.

Still, the most important thing is that you don't shed hope, and that you nevertheless insist on the possibility of communism, that is, class consciousness. No socialist movement in history was the result of conditions outside of active human beings, no class consciousness was ever the result of organic development. Will and education are the pillars of communism. However impossible it seems, you are only then really lost, if you have lost your faith.

From a tactical point of view, I would say that political freedom will be a necessary goal, not as an end in itself but as a basis for socialist, that is, revolutionary agitation. I don't know to what extent political freedom is restricted, I just know that there are, for example, certain bloggers who oppose the government, and because of that are taken action against. Maybe it's not as bad as I think, I can only give you ideas, as I said. As to the negative connotation of socialism/communism, I would not recommend using a different term, but instead insist on its "true" meaning - refer to it as a synonym for democracy, if you like.

That's at least what I have to say. Be that as it may, I wish you good luck for your endeavors.

lanadelarosa
7th June 2016, 21:41
I'm definitely not educated enough on what's happening in Vietnam, and now I'm gonna make a conscious effort to catch up, but I think what you said about creating and distributing material as well as making an organization is a step in the right direction. Maybe when you create your material you can target areas that are more sympathetic to communism first and try and garner some support there. All I know is that it's not an easy feat and it will take a lot of time to rid people of that sort of ingrained belief that socialism is bad. As hard as it is, it's important to remain hopeful, because it's possible for individuals to bring about change. I think no matter what, all leftists at some point feel alone, but know that you're not. To quote Lukacs: "From the ethical point of view, no one can escape responsibility with the excuse that he is only an individual, on whom the fate of the world does not depend. Not only can this not be known objectively for certain, because it is always possible that it will depend precisely on the individual, but this kind of thinking is also made impossible by the very essence of ethics, by conscience and the sense of responsibility." Good luck to you!

Freeloader
8th June 2016, 04:04
I can guarantee that the economy in Vietnam is now capitalist. Capitalist relations are now fully restored (some may say they were always there in the first place, depending on the tendency). No, not even "state capitalism" in the Tony Cliff kind of sense, normal capitalism.







There are publicly known millionaires. These are not just “NEPmen”, but proper bourgeois.




Healthcare and education is no longer free. Even in public schools in hospitals.



“social housing”, it remained unaffordable for large sections of the population. The working class mainly has to rent cramped, rundown apartments. I have seen builders who have to live in tents or shacks.


I am in agreement, Vietnam is not any form of deformed workers state etc, but has transitioned fully to a capitalist model. However not a capitalism at its "best" i.e. with welfare , liberal democracy etc, but with the bueacracy, corruption and Authoritarianism of the preivious period. Many writers im sure have commented on this issue, mostly regards China, it was not long ago that i remember debates on "Is China capitalist?". Specifically i know that Zizek (Political theorist who has his good moments and very bad) comments on this talking about Capitalism with "asian values".

Something genuinely new is emerging today in the guise of what are ridiculously called "Asian values", authoritarian capitalism. A capitalism which, we can see now, is doing better in the crisis than the west. A capitalism that is more dynamic and efficient than our Western, liberal capitalism, but precisely as such functions perfectly with an authoritarian state. My pessimism is that this is the future.

(im sure there are better theorists on this though)





The Vietnamese working class is plagued by false consciousness.
Is this not almost always the case? Whether its belief in religion,nationalism, reformism, racism and xenophobia etc. The revolutionary when faced with a random worker may be subjected by a range of peculiar ideas, all we can do is patiently explain our cause and or analysis, expose their ideas as fallacies and empty shells, and invite them to learn more.


the direct legacy of Ho Chi Minh. This nationalist sentiment, has degraded from the “national liberation” sentiment to the extreme, racist anti-Chinese nationalism.

Such anti-chinese nationalism seems a little strange to me becasue i have little knowledge about the situation and history of vietnam and china. However as conjecture i would say that at least in part the anti-chinese protest are a proxy protest against the ruling regime and the situation in vietnam. Such protests are not around a single issue of simply anti-chinese but attract people for many different reasons, i read that it is beleived some joined in violent action during the protest simply to enact revenge on a factory they were fired from. Although the movement is fundementally reactionary and should be criticised there may be some on its periphery willing to listen to genuine marxist ideas. But there may be better places to spend your time on.







However, I do have a problem analyzing the class nature of the state in Vietnam. The proletariat certainly does not have any political power. The bourgeoisie can indirectly influence the government, but nowhere near the level of other capitalist states.

The state is essentially the armed bodies of men (lenin) + the organsiational beaucracy, i maybe being overly simplistic but if we agree that the economic foundations of vietnam are capitalist. The state is the manager and protection of capitalism. This can seem blurred if the capitalist class themselves do not fully have the reigns of control, but what is essential is the economic mode of production and distribution. The state can take on a more or less independent role rising above society, acting in a parasitical way for its own benifit on any class. I dont think Vietnam is simply a reular bourgeois state, as was partly mentioned regards Authoratarian capitalism. Whether it is bonapartist, i would say not, in terms of how china or the soviet union or Ethiopia could have been described as bonapartist, but in a left sense. Instead of a bonapart (the authority) co-opting a revolution, and leading it in a muddled way, now we only have bonapartism on a counter revolutionary trajectory. Which does lead to the question of fascism.




As for the left wing, the situation is sour. There’s no Marxist organizations. None. There’s no leftist opposition to the government in Vietnam. Not even centre-left social democrats.

The mainstream communist party is definitely a no. The communist youth organizations, also a no. As mentioned above in the section about class consciousness, even if I do join these organizations, the members are not taking Marxism seriously. Most people join for personal interests.

I would agree with not bothering with the party and its organisations. The place to go is whereever marxist ideas are going to be revieved best. A common form that marxist movements start off with is that of a discussion group a society wether legal or illegal/underground. I did hear of someone doing this currently in China underground , of course at their own personal risk. Students are often a classic base of support for such societies but so to are workplaces.



Thus, the conclusion is: In a situation of crisis, Vietnam will likely fall to fascism. So to refer to Lenin - What is to be done?





“if the Left don’t exist, then build it!”

I do have plans to produce communist propaganda materials. But is this it? If I were to create a Marxist organization, members would be only around 100. And that’s really lucky.



Is the task to build the "Left"? Is it the job of the marxist, the revolutionary to build the social democratic forces, the ecological reformists, the trade unions, etc.

I would say NO, we can play an important role in the development and progression of these movements but it is not our priority or place to be building them. (e.g its not our job to find the local factory and unionise it, but rather in a factory dispute maybe go down and promote the idea to the workers of the need for THEM to unionise and for you to HELP out, e.g leaflets etc)

Our priority is revolution, and we are revolutionaries.

To be honest 5 would be a great start, there is an andy warhol quote that applies here "But I always say, one's company, two's a crowd, and three's a party”, (here by party i mean a revolutionary party). Its easy to be disheartended with the numbers of your comrades when our ambition is so great. But it should be remembered that all revolutionary organisations started off with a few people coming together and looking for more to set up some form of organisation. An organisation of 100, educated in marxist ideas would be a serious achievement.

Im currently reading Zizek "First as Tragedy then as Farce", its more for lesuire than serious study. But there is something in it which i think is important.:


...a revolutionary process involves not a gradual progress, but a repetitive movement, a movement of repeating the beginning again and again

This for me is a very optimistic and uplifting view of what it means to be a revolutionary, what it means to be marxist.
You should not compare the tasks of today and yourself personally with the great revolutionaries who you may look up to, many of these people as great as they were, are products of history swept up in events and the circumstances of their time.
Its easy to become disheartened and literally give up when you see revolutionary activity only as its mature stages, i.e. the great rising of the masses, civil war, the capturing of state power , the abolishing of existing state and legal institutions etc.

Revolution is a process not an act, we as revolutionaries are patiently with constant set backs, frustrations and differing conditions trying to repetitively (literally with repeated action) progress the revolution through all our individual and collective effort.

Vietnamese revolutionaries face more or less the same task as most of us wherever we are in the world, developing the forces or Marxism- developing a revolutionary potential.
All large tasks can be split into manageable smaller ones. My advice would be aim for those first 3-5 people, start reading and discussing , start writing, set up a website etc. , then....get the next 5. And Repeat.

lequyan
8th June 2016, 07:21
Thank you for your response. I really appreciate this.


However as conjecture i would say that at least in part the anti-chinese protest are a proxy protest against the ruling regime and the situation in vietnam. Such protests are not around a single issue of simply anti-chinese but attract people for many different reasons, i read that it is beleived some joined in violent action during the protest simply to enact revenge on a factory they were fired from.

This is true. Some of the anti-Chinese protests are workers who are fed up with the sweat shop working conditions. However, as you might've guessed; they blamed the Chinese for this, and started beating up Chinese workers.


Is this not almost always the case? Whether its belief in religion,nationalism, reformism, racism and xenophobia etc. The revolutionary when faced with a random worker may be subjected by a range of peculiar ideas, all we can do is patiently explain our cause and or analysis, expose their ideas as fallacies and empty shells, and invite them to learn more.

I would agree with you that false consciousness is a global issue. I simply emphasized Vietnam since the level of consciousness here is particularly worse, especially if you compare with France, India or even China, where the consciousness of the working class suffer from roughly similar problems to Vietnam.

Freeloader
8th June 2016, 12:28
Some of the anti-Chinese protests are workers who are fed up with the sweat shop working conditions. However, as you might've guessed; they blamed the Chinese for this, and started beating up Chinese workers.



I simply emphasized Vietnam since the level of consciousness here is particularly worse, especially if you compare with France, India or even China, where the consciousness of the working class suffer from roughly similar problems to Vietnam.

It may seem impossible to cut through the crap, of anti Chinese racism etc, but it is possible. But it will be difficult.

This reminds me most of the USA, maybe at its worst in the early to mid 20th century. There was a time when the only serious political organization that criticized the racism of America towards the black population, and took the struggle seriously, whether in the form of black nationalism or civil rights was the communist party.

We can imagine the difficulties of approaching the African American workers who were facing daily victimization and lynchings from all sides and trying to tell them that they should join forces with their white workers against the capitalists. However we should remember that we are not the only agent in the process, the class struggle itself helped to break these boundaries. It wasn't simply the case for example that white workers were "educated" about how racism was used as a tool by the capitalist class, when told many of them would have agreed and simply said "of course we see this everyday". It is these workers who we want, class conscious fighters, born from the class struggle.

It should perhaps go without saying, that the Chinese workers and other immigrant workers should be approached. "Anti-capitalism not Anti-Chinese".
Of course such a slogan faces difficulties of which you will be much more aware of; interpretation as pro -government, pro-Chinese government etc . But it always comes down to Lenin (from the April thesis) ...we patiently explain.

I would normally say not to worry to much about making mistakes, you must learn from this etc.This is still the case but there is an exception and that it is the personal safety of yourself and your comrades. Communism needs no more martyrs. I would say this is the one thing that should not be flexible. Not only should you take great care in the face of the government but also hostile elements within factories and capitalists who may see you as a danger to their own interests. But ultimately its up to you to judge the situation that you face.