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Left-Wing Nutjob
23rd May 2016, 16:26
There is a significant and insidious reason for why the U.S. government ignores the threat posed by domestic right-wing terrorists: namely, that right-wing extremists are potentially useful to the State and to Capital in the event of a mass left-wing social movement. Remember, the radical Right is treated with kid gloves compared to the radical Left. The Left is composed of "dangerous extremists" who "threaten American values", but the Right are merely expressing their rights to "freedom of speech" and "freedom of association."

We on the Left must be aware of and vigilant against the threat posed by these groups - and recognize that the U.S. government will not help us.

Heretek
23rd May 2016, 19:49
Didn't I post this in another discussion the other day about fascists and the police?

Regardless of that, who cares about the government? It's an agent of capitol, and will side with whatever keeps that status quo, even if it is fascists. You shouldn't have been relying on the government to help you anyways. Antifa is dead, they are at most puppets of liberals. The only reliable thing to oppose fascists is the working class, seeing as how it is a mass movement akin to our own

TheIrrationalist
23rd May 2016, 21:35
the u.s. loves the far right. the u.s. loves the far right, because the far right loves the empire. they love it when the u.s. bombs brown people in the middle east. they love it when its police terrorizes blacks and mexicans. the fact is that the far right poses no danger to the u.s. empire, actually they are its most 'trusted' supporters. the far right and the liberal capitalist system of the u.s. are united in imperialism, and u.s. as the principal imperial power knows its allies. the long list of far right activity supported globally by the u.s. government should be a clear indicator of the coalescence of u.s.'s interests and the goals of the far right.

there should be no argument about the reactionary and malevolent nature of the u.s. government.

lanadelarosa
23rd May 2016, 23:29
I'm less worried about fascists and more worried about neoliberalists tbh. At least with fascists you know where they stand. Neoliberalism is the growing threat, using flowery language and taking the acceptable parts of social justice and using it to make themselves seem friendly and supportive of the oppressed. And I don't think antifa is dead. I mean I'm not an anarchist and actually have a lot of issues with their ideology, but I know plenty of great people who are antifa and doing a lot of good ground work. I think they could be very useful.

Left-Wing Nutjob
24th May 2016, 02:12
I'm less worried about fascists and more worried about neoliberalists tbh. At least with fascists you know where they stand. Neoliberalism is the growing threat, using flowery language and taking the acceptable parts of social justice and using it to make themselves seem friendly and supportive of the oppressed. And I don't think antifa is dead. I mean I'm not an anarchist and actually have a lot of issues with their ideology, but I know plenty of great people who are antifa and doing a lot of good ground work. I think they could be very useful.

The fascists (or rather, far-Right populist parties that, while not really fascist per se, could very plausibly head rapidly in that direction) represent the more immediate threat (see: the increasingly popular contemporary far-Right populist parties in Europe, along with the core of support for Donald Trump in the U.S.; among Trump's supporters include a significant number of white nationalists/supremacists who recognize Trump as someone who's "speaking their language" ), however, I do agree that neoliberalism is the longer-term threat to the global working class.

Also, you can't really divorce the rise of far-Right movements from the utter evisceration of the social-democratic aspects of many European economies, or the decades-long, sustained assault on the welfare state in the U.S. - both of which neoliberalism as an economic and as a political project is responsible for. The consequences of neoliberalism - extreme economic, racial, and other forms of social inequality, lower wages, the decline of social mobility as class lines have hardened, the hollowing out of organized labor (to the point of most unions being utterly unequipped to effectively agitate for even meager economic reform), high and persistent unemployment and underemployment, immense strain on working class families, psychological stress, a major increase in poverty and people needing social assistance, tax cuts for the rich and austerity for the working class and the poor, higher crime in working class communities, and the working class's alienation from and marginalization within American society and the societies of other advanced capitalist countries - all of these consequences of neoliberalism are well documented. And all of these consequences of neoliberal policy represent the accumulated tinder from which far-right populism - and quite potentially, the return of fascism - has been lit by the matches offered by the likes of Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Wilders, and similar figures.

Kale
24th May 2016, 05:12
There is a significant and insidious reason for why the U.S. government ignores the threat posed by domestic right-wing terrorists: namely, that right-wing extremists are potentially useful to the State and to Capital in the event of a mass left-wing social movement. Remember, the radical Right is treated with kid gloves compared to the radical Left. The Left is composed of "dangerous extremists" who "threaten American values", but the Right are merely expressing their rights to "freedom of speech" and "freedom of association."

We on the Left must be aware of and vigilant against the threat posed by these groups - and recognize that the U.S. government will not help us.

I agree with your first paragraph, but I know the U.S. Government will not help us. Hell, the way things stand today, how can I expect them to help us when I don't even trust them. I have felt our government is right-winged for some time. There's just two flavors, Democrats and Republicans.