Active partaking in foreign revolutions?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Is the practise of going to fight for a revolutionary cause in a foreign land well and truly dead?

I have been reading Homage to Catalonia where Orwell relays his experiences of the Spanish Cival War and it just got me thinking whether if it occured today whether I could envisage anybody especially myself actually going to Spain, risking life and limb for the cause?

It really is a question that tests your beliefs, would you die for communism, anarchism, democracy or whatever you hold dear?

[BOZG]

Yes....
But then again I'm not a good example.

[Dawood]

I have enough to deal with in my own country. However I would consider going to Cuba or Venezuela to defend them against foriegn intervention.

[bunk]

Say Castro died and U.S intervene or something I am wondering whether a large contingent from this board would go and fight.
But i don't think they will intervene anymore than they are already (with the sanctions)

[BOZG]

I am wondering whether a large contingent from this board would go and fight.

They need to first wake the fuck up and realise that Cuba is not a socialist state and start fighting for a political revolution there.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I would love to, but I don't have the means to get there. I would be more then happy to fight anywhere against the capitalists. The heart is willing, but my wallet has failed me.

[Guest]

I would fight against the capitalists anywhere in the world. Language, race, and nationality are of no matter to me. I would fight against them no matter what the cost is.

[Yazman]

I would fight anywhere in the world, as race and nationality are irrelevant to me. Whether I would lose my life doing it or not is also irrelevant to me.

The only real thing stopping me is the amount of money needed to travel.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Just get a loan under pretence of sometime else then go and never pay it, you will fight the capitalists but not trick them into giving you money to do it.

Iniative my man.

[bunk]

i think some people on this board would use money as an excuse

[Hegemonicretribution]

I agree cash, or school would be used as an excuse, but why should we fight abroad for our beliefs? Different strokes for different folks, people should be allowed whatever....you can't go bringing over loads of foreignors. Imagine if the commies did, but the cappies also joined in, we would, I am sad to say, mostly likiely get wiped out.

I do not see anywhere apart from possibly my homeland thart I see worthy of protection, at least in cases such as DPRK. Cuba, I like the place and all, but it isn't my view, and I don't see it as worthy of dying for when I can do so much more alive.

[BOZG]

We must fight our own bourgeoisies aswell.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I am chiefly thinking of a Spanish Cival War type situation where Fascism was actively threating a country.

[Yazman]

Just get a loan under pretence of sometime else then go and never pay it, you will fight the capitalists but not trick them into giving you money to do it.

Iniative my man.


Good idea comrade, I will use this in future.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 01:04 PM
I agree cash, or school would be used as an excuse, but why should we fight abroad for our beliefs? Different strokes for different folks, people should be allowed whatever....you can't go bringing over loads of foreignors. Imagine if the commies did, but the cappies also joined in, we would, I am sad to say, mostly likiely get wiped out.

I do not see anywhere apart from possibly my homeland thart I see worthy of protection, at least in cases such as DPRK. Cuba, I like the place and all, but it isn't my view, and I don't see it as worthy of dying for when I can do so much more alive.
I think we should fight for other countries with the same fervor that we would if that country were our own. Remember, the proletarian class does not heed to the bourgoise concept of nations, so why should those meaningless borders effect our decision to fight? The working class is one, and we should fight in solidarity no matter where they may be. Furthermore, do not dismiss someone who cannot just drop everything they are doing to go fight in a revolution halfway around the world as an armchair revolutionary. Some people have health problems, families, jobs, school, or other obligations that would make it very difficult to leave.

[bunk]

Ok i will say this now that i would go to Cuba to fight if yankee invaded. But i'd have to be in a position to do so (16 to leave school or before Uni take a gap year).

[EneME]

Unfortunately I come from a very communal family b/c we're from el salvador. We dont work nor think like individuals like American society tells us to, everything we do is based on how it will help or not help our family unit. What careers we decide in, what investments, who we involve in our lives, etc. So, I would be torn because I would break up my family unit by leaving, but I would also want to fight for what I believe is right. It would have nothing to do with money nor if I had the balls (or tata's :lol: ), but if I wanted to break my families heart.....

[Danton]

The Spanish civil war was a special case, the international brigade was made up of combatants from many different countries, while consisting of disparate factions and ideological groups the broad alliance was possible because of one common agenda - to defeat Fascism...

It is unlikely that an international expeditionary force of such a scale could be mobalized in todays political climate, perhaps in Cuba where, if Uncle Sam did come knocking it would unite many leftists around the world and maybe send some to actual military defence of the island...

We already see Muslims from europe going to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight their Jihad, unfortunatley leftists in general don't feel their cause with such indignation.. They would rather sit and pontificate and lecture and talk shit on the internet..

[MiniOswald]

I agree with crossfire, once castro dies I reckon the U.S will try to intervine and I would want to go over there to try and get someone into power who wasnt 'trying to fix relationships with the U.s' (basically a puppet) but I am too young so I can't really do much. But I was wondering if any of you have considered going to peru there is a group there called Tupac Amaru, they seem to be a genuine marxist-leninist group and they can use all the help they can get.

[Red Flag]

a huge issue for many is the fact that you cant just show up in a country get off an airplane and say "ok lets fight a revolution".. how to join a people's army in a foriegn land?

If you're not willing to die for your beliefs they're not worth having.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 04:47 AM

I think we should fight for other countries with the same fervor that we would if that country were our own. Remember, the proletarian class does not heed to the bourgoise concept of nations, so why should those meaningless borders effect our decision to fight? The working class is one, and we should fight in solidarity no matter where they may be. Furthermore, do not dismiss someone who cannot just drop everything they are doing to go fight in a revolution halfway around the world as an armchair revolutionary. Some people have health problems, families, jobs, school, or other obligations that would make it very difficult to leave.
In reality I agree with you, and I don't see the benifits of borders, and am anti nationalist, although I see as a tool that is almost as useful as it is dangerous. However I was trying to make the point that I see few places that I see worth defending.

[bunk]

Cuba is worth defending.

[SittingBull47]

To protect democracy and freedom, I would consider fighting for a foreign cause.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 10:02 PM
Cuba is worth defending.
Questionable. Sure there are good sides, but there is a lot I disagree with in Cuba. The achievments are great in the face of what they have to deal with, but I am liberal left, and Cuba is too authoritarian for my liking. I do not see the point in sacraficing myself for a cause I do not fully believe in when there are issues I do believe in that I would rather address.

[Yazman]

Comrade Hegemonicretribution, are these "other issues" revolutionary ones?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 09:59 AM

Questionable. Sure there are good sides, but there is a lot I disagree with in Cuba. The achievments are great in the face of what they have to deal with, but I am liberal left, and Cuba is too authoritarian for my liking. I do not see the point in sacraficing myself for a cause I do not fully believe in when there are issues I do believe in that I would rather address.

I see Cuba as worth defending. In fact it is probably the only place I would go if it was being invaded by US forces, I would willingly give up my life for Cuba.

I disagree that Cuba is authoritarian and I am a liberal left myself although I presume I hold stronger views than yourself.

[Yazman]

Comrade Geist, Cuba is most certainly worth defending!

[RedAnarchist]

I would fight for any country with huge fervour and determination, as it is worthwhile and will help to rid the world of capitalism

[Soviet power supreme]

you can't go bringing over loads of foreignors. Imagine if the commies did, but the cappies also joined in, we would, I am sad to say, mostly likiely get wiped out.

Why in the hell cappies would fight?If anything they would send their wage armies to the country.