Maajid Nawaz Blames The "Far Left" For ISIS

[Zephyrous]

Excerpt from an article entitled "Former Islamic extremist: ‘The far Left is helping ISIS’"


The far Left's delusion that the likes of ISIS are not inspired by Islam is discrediting the moderate Muslims trying to reform their faith, former Islamic extremist Maajid Nawaz has told Yahoo7.

Maajid Nawaz, who was formally a member of radical Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, is now seeking to challenge the narrative of Islamic extremists and form a more moderate Islam.

Currently in Australia for a series of talks, Nawaz told Yahoo7 that everyone has a role to play in how Islam can be reformed.

“We need a rational conversation about reforming Islam,” Nawaz told Yahoo7.

“That begins by everyone – in the Left, Right and Centre of politics – feeling like it is our conversation to have.

“Just like with Christianity or Judaism, which we feel we can discuss as they are our religions in our society.”

Nawaz said even non-Muslims have a role to play in this reform.

“You don’t need to be black to challenge racism, you don’t need to be gay to challenge homophobia, and you don’t need to be a Muslim to challenge Islam.

“You don’t even need to know anything about Islam to know that it is wrong to enslave and rape women like ISIS are doing with the Yazidi women.

“Where there is a specific duty is with the theologians, because the lay Muslim and obviously the non-Muslim cannot do the actual reform work in the theology.

“So there is a role for Muslim theologians in firstly being honest and candid about some of the challenging parts of the scripture and accepting that there are challenging parts,” Nawaz said.

[RedSonRising]

I'm so tired of these New Atheist academics thinking that an "honest discussion" about Islam is going to solve everyone's problem. As if the world will unite in a lecture hall and decide once and for all what to do with the violent and controversial parts of the Quran. Entire populations will then become enlightened and abandon their violent ways, as if their ideologies and tendencies weren't directly informed by the material conditions surrounding them.

The far left didn't invade Iraq and leave a giant power vacuum in the destitute aftermath.
The far left didn't tolerate and actively fund an oil-rich Monarchical regime that spread Wahhabism throughout Muslim populations in the 20th century.
The far left didn't colonize the Middle East and fan the flames of extremism.

No, if the "far left" is doing anything meaningful, it is spilling its own blood on the ground fighting ISIS on the front lines in Kurdish regions, and condemning both imperialism and terrorism elsewhere. Fuck off with this "PC far left kiddie gloves are stopping us from telling ISIS to put their evil books down" narrative.

[Aslan]

I'm so tired of these New Atheist academics thinking that an "honest discussion" about Islam is going to solve everyone's problem. As if the world will unite in a lecture hall and decide once and for all what to do with the violent and controversial parts of the Quran. Entire populations will then become enlightened and abandon their violent ways, as if their ideologies and tendencies weren't directly informed by the material conditions surrounding them.

The far left didn't invade Iraq and leave a giant power vacuum in the destitute aftermath.
The far left didn't tolerate and actively fund an oil-rich Monarchical regime that spread Wahhabism throughout Muslim populations in the 20th century.
The far left didn't colonize the Middle East and fan the flames of extremism.

No, if the "far left" is doing anything meaningful, it is spilling its own blood on the ground fighting ISIS on the front lines in Kurdish regions, and condemning both imperialism and terrorism elsewhere. Fuck off with this "PC far left kiddie gloves are stopping us from telling ISIS to put their evil books down" narrative.

Fucking hit in the head Red Son Rising, these garbage Sam Harris Mofos are pissing me off. Garbage!

And blaming the left for the problems these people contributed isn't going to help either!

[Andrew_Zito]

What a tainted list of posts where George Orwell on the English Language and Politics (1946) is most relevant, where:

1. What begins as a posting of what some one else writes means that one can not challenge the post except on limited face value as the poster seeming did not write the post, and one can not hold they guilty parties accountable though equally guilty parties commented on those words.

2. The original post where bad grammar twists what is said in stating "The far Left's delusion that the likes of ISIS are not inspired by Islam is discrediting the moderate Muslims trying to reform their faith">
a. Where the phrasing implies someone is trying to reform one of two entities one religious, one leftist, and one allegedly religious reformist where I can only doubt all the parties referred as there are no specifics of exactly who is being spoken of in what appears as if some encoded BS in plain sight.
b. Where though I can agree with the first comment in what also is unclear and emotional with nothing else.
c. Where Lastly some comment joins and chides in with out any emotional intellectual political or economic risk as comment b. suggest they are far far far away from the action of am imperialist world war that has been foisted on the world.
d. where I must disagree:
1. Where the left as well as "The far left" left allowed a giant power vacuum in the destitute aftermath" for its policies in the imperialist countries known for chic revolutionary spirits allowed such developments as much as imperialism funded them.

2. Where it is true what is poorly refered to as The far left didn't tolerate and actively fund an oil-rich Monarchical regime that spread Wahhabism throughout Muslim populations in the 20th century." though they "far left" fostered and encouraged many nationalist forms of Wahhabism et al and many others eg. Malcolm X.
3. Where No what is called the "The far left didn't colonize the Middle East" in many instances they did "fan the flames of extremism" through support of some of the most violent groups along with the Bader Meinhof Red Army Faction and to a greater degree Black September in what feed the flames of nationalism and which lead to Israel's encouragement in the creation of Hamas.

So where you prefer to sling the pretentious dirt of questionable natures in broad vaguely written generalizations regarding unspecified a "far-left" I don't.

[Andrew_Zito]

"The far Left's delusion that the likes of ISIS are not inspired by Islam is discrediting the moderate Muslims trying to reform their faith, former Islamic extremist Maajid Nawaz has told Yahoo7."

1. But who wrote this? as it appears as graffiti from a toilet stall wall.
2. What who how is this Far-left and "Far Left" might not be relevant to anyone else but it might be to me which requires context, history, references, proper grammar in presentation and critique that I resent in what often I get the impression is government produced.

3. Lastly the "original text" sates what grammatically can not be deciphered as it is incorrect in stating:

"The far Left's delusion that the likes of ISIS are not inspired by Islam is discrediting the moderate Muslims trying to reform their faith" where one has to guess that it could refer to all three elements specified.

In what makes that task impossible undesirable and unworthy as it appears as some encrypted message constructed so as to appear innocent. As the truth of the matter is many left groups have had various ties and have been responsible for many horrid things though also those were also connected to those like the CIA, as the ties between east and west increased with end of the Cold War so that again we can have one great world war that the "far-left" "left" etc can be said to be responsible for it has been negligent in its duties on many occasions government inspired or not.

Saddam Hussein was originally a CIA assassin of Communists in the Iraqi Bath Party and later their agent (CIA) in the Iran-Iraq War, where I venture to say left wing politics is not for the Simple Minds of the type of black-white spoon fed politics who in America is accustomed to awake alert well fed well balanced well educated well trained well informed rebels??? Who have the patience for much of the nonsense that some call "left" but not others.

Where I refer to the Counter Punch Article FEBRUARY 27, 2015
Does the US have a Left, Left? by JP MILLER

As I too "am not Christ or a philanthropist, old lady, I am all the contrary of a Christ…. I fight for the things I believe in, with all the weapons at my disposal and try to leave the other man dead so that I don’t get nailed to a cross or any other place. — Che Guevara"

But then must decide in what is distinguished as different rather than as "Permanent Revolution" Bronstein or a "Revolution in a Revolution" Debray as if "Forever Young" Rod Stewart in those delusions in that I address those matters and only heard infants respond in addition to web sites with terrible software and governments traps from here to hell.

[RedSonRising]

....what

[ckaihatsu]

Excerpt from an article entitled "Former Islamic extremist: ‘The far Left is helping ISIS’"




The far Left's delusion that the likes of ISIS are not inspired by Islam is discrediting the moderate Muslims trying to reform their faith, former Islamic extremist Maajid Nawaz has told Yahoo7.


I mentioned in an exchange in a past thread that the 'ISIS know-nothings' (my phrasing, here) are actually from the *radical* camp, and *not* from the revolutionary leftist, or far-left, camp.


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“We need a rational conversation about reforming Islam,” Nawaz told Yahoo7.

“That begins by everyone – in the Left, Right and Centre of politics – feeling like it is our conversation to have.


This is just marketing -- if someone wants to be religious, so be it, but no one should be airing out the cultural practice of religion as though it's what's ultimately at the center of the political arena.





“You don’t even need to know anything about Islam to know that it is wrong to enslave and rape women like ISIS are doing with the Yazidi women.


Then the politics of it is 'Why hasn't the U.S. and NATO already swept in and scooped out ISIS like they did with Libya and Gadaffi.'

(In other words we'd expect more nationalistic slaps on the back by now, and at least it's own Michael Bay movie treatment.)





“Where there is a specific duty is with the theologians, because the lay Muslim and obviously the non-Muslim cannot do the actual reform work in the theology.

“So there is a role for Muslim theologians in firstly being honest and candid about some of the challenging parts of the scripture and accepting that there are challenging parts,” Nawaz said.


(Yawn.)

[ckaihatsu]

....what


Fuckin' chatterbots were fed a political-jargon dictionary....


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