"What's that smell...?"

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

"Sie selbst erschossen?"

"Yes, but it's okay; Karl, look at me.. I'm really okay. Trust me, everything's gonna' be fine."

All around me the ideological landmarks of the past year obliterate themselves, and theoretical vigor continues to pour from my metaphysical jugular vein. I spent the last twelve months of my life going around unconsciously as someone... or something... else, creating franchises of ideology, clones of thought, lucid dreams of reality.

Why would I do this to myself, you ask? Because I had to kill him; I had to kill that Che Guevara, that Vladimir Illych Lenin, that Amadeo Bordiga, that pure ideology. It took a brief moment after the shot had registered in my mind, but the dying unconscious construct stood there metaphorically and mumbled:

"What's that smell?"

It would be apt to say that you met me at a very strange time in my life. But the deal's off. I thought it'd kill me, but if freed me. Now I'm in control, and it's my voice speaking.

The only question that remains is: what now?

[Decolonize The Left]

Life. On the ground and with other people. It's where stuff happens and it's all there ever is. Go for a walk and look at the trees. Liberate the moment from the spectacle of the everyday.

[Aslan]

What the materialistic fuck is this? :confused:

This is the epitome of a straw-man. Such sweeping comments don't seem like what you've posted before.

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

No, you misunderstand. I was parodying the final scene of Fight Club, where the "Narrator" shoots himself in order to kill the alter ego which has been dominating him. Obviously the audience expects him to die due to his severe wound, but he lives, and claims that "everything is going to be fine". The same had happened to me; I blasted Marxism from my mind and I survived, but I was afraid to before.

Straw-man? What am I attacking? What I am attacking is the sectarian hive-mind of certain "Marxists" that plague this forum and the world. I refuse to associate with these ideologues, these poseurs, these mediocre "thinkers". Perhaps the most tragic example of what I am describing can be seen in the user "UnapologeticPsychopath": someone without empathy that follows the Marxist creed. The left thinks too much and feels too little, and what it does think is useless empty thoughts dwelling on the past.

I am no longer a sock-puppet for any so-called "TRUE!" Marxist ideology anymore, so yes, this will not seem like "what I've posted before". There is nothing bad in that statement.

[Aslan]

Life. On the ground and with other people. It's where stuff happens and it's all there ever is. Go for a walk and look at the trees. Liberate the moment from the spectacle of the everyday.

And live the life of some euphoric hippie? Never, I want to be informed of my class relations and the oppression that is happening to my common man.

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

On Revleft, a Marxist and a communist are the exact opposite. A Marxist, no matter how "true", is an ideologue who delves into pointless metaphysics and historical debates that have no application. A communist is someone who favours the ideas of communism, i.e. a stateless, classless, post-monetary society, while opposing the current state of things, i.e. capitalism. Anti-capitalism and Marxism are not synonymous; don't be so sacrilegious by thinking so.

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

Guardia Rossa seems to have deleted his post, which is what the above response was directed at.

[Aslan]

No, you misunderstand. I was parodying the final scene of Fight Club, where the "Narrator" shoots himself in order to kill the alter ego which has been dominating him. Obviously the audience expects him to die due to his severe wound, but he lives, and claims that "everything is going to be fine". The same had happened to me; I blasted Marxism from my mind and I survived, but I was afraid to before.

Straw-man? What am I attacking? What I am attacking is the sectarian hive-mind of certain "Marxists" that plague this forum and the world. I refuse to associate with these ideologues, these poseurs, these mediocre "thinkers". Perhaps the most tragic example of what I am describing can be seen in the user "UnapologeticPsychopath": someone without empathy that follows the Marxist creed. The left thinks too much and feels too little, and what it does think is useless empty thoughts dwelling on the past.

I am no longer a sock-puppet for any so-called "TRUE!" Marxist ideology anymore, so yes, this will not seem like "what I've posted before". There is nothing bad in that statement.

Ok, I see where you're going with this, I just misunderstood your position because to be honest, I've never really encountered a situation like this before. And it seems we have many similarities on being sock-puppets of TRUE marxism.

But why egoist anarchism? If you are making the points you're making just be a non-doctrine communist!

[Guardia Rossa]

Guardia Rossa seems to have deleted his post, which is what the above response was directed at.

Yes. I am attempting at the moment to address the other thread in a more concrete manner, but my computer hates me.

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

I wasn't implicating you in anything, I should mention; just pointing it out for any readers of the thread who come along later.

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

Ok, I see where you're going with this, I just misunderstood your position because to be honest, I've never really encountered a situation like this before. And it seems we have many similarities on being sock-puppets of TRUE marxism.

But why egoist anarchism? If you are making the points you're making just be a non-doctrine communist!

Principally because I have become enthralled by Stirner's work, and he makes it plain that to follow his ideas are to merely allow yourself to follow your own (though you can also thank Terence McKenna for disillusioning myself with all ideologies in general). Why anarchism, though? I am not living under a Trotskyist or Stalinist state, which is what will likely appear judging by the popularity of these movements on the Marxist side of the left.

[Decolonize The Left]

And live the life of some euphoric hippie? Never, I want to be informed of my class relations and the oppression that is happening to my common man.

I see you missed my point. No matter, it's a rather silly thread to begin with.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I've never met someone "enthralled by Stirner's work" who wasn't an insufferable prick of the type described by the song "Most Space" by Worriers. I suggest listening to it, and considering how the lyrics might apply to you. I'm not saying they necessarily will, but . . . well . . .

And I'm saying this as an anarchist. But, y'know, as anarchist who recognizes, like intersubjectivity and shit. Think of the individual as a tornado - I can say that "The tornado ripped the roof off of my house," but, in reality, the tornado isn't a thing-unto-itself - it's an effect of climate and the convergence of forces. As are we.

[Thirsty Crow]

No, you misunderstand. I was parodying the final scene of Fight Club, where the "Narrator" shoots himself in order to kill the alter ego which has been dominating him. Obviously the audience expects him to die due to his severe wound, but he lives, and claims that "everything is going to be fine". The same had happened to me; I blasted Marxism from my mind and I survived, but I was afraid to before.I absolutely and unconditionally hate that stupid ending of the movie. It's one of the most butchered and fake renditions of a piece of literature I've ever seen.

There's no shooting himself in Palahniuk; the guy is put in a mental hospital actually, and while he's receiving letters from Project Mayhem members and a guard winks at him and says something to the effect of "We'll get you out of here in no time", he concludes nope, maybe it's better to remain here for some time.

About that true Marxist thing and following someone else's ideas. It's an embarassing cop out to rationalize actually following Stirner's ideas as "this means following your own"; the stuff someone reads there and is enthralled with is surely not one's own ideas. That's the whole point to it, to consider someone else's ideas which were in turn based on other people's ideas. It doesn't really matter if someone's original or not, what counts is the way we deal with these and how we act.

I've no problem with claiming a kind of Marxism; it's actually only a short hand for ideas found in the man's writings which I do find productive. On the other hand, there's the ideology of organizing among people who would claim some Marxist tradition. And here it feels I'm in the same boat. Much of what passes for Marxist and generally anti-capitalist organizing is nothing different from swallowing a tradition of doing this and that, and at some point along the road that tradition itself had become more important than a clear headed reflection on conditions of our acting in the world and prospects for change arising from both the conditions themselves and our actions. Much of it also seems psychological in its impact, in the sense of providing starry eyed people with a sense of lowest common denominator comfort and gratification, if it's not a mere exercise in organizing drives which will end up with a career in the NGO sector. It wasn't Stirner though that got me in this awkward position, but the guys behind Nihilist Communism (Stirner was always both boring as hell and fundamentally idealist for my purposes).

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

Not the fault of the two above posters but in the Saint Lenin thread I had already renounced Stirnerism there and in some visitor messages/private messages. My disgust with the faux-Marxism of Stalinists, Trotskyists and their ilk somewhat consumed me; I was tired of seeing them justify all of their weird defenses of mass murder and Orwellian nineteen eighty-fourism with obscure quotations from Lenin, Engels or Marx. You are wasting your breath at this point as I have already made a return to Marxism, but a very different kind of Marxism to that of those operating in historical reenactment societies known as Trotskyist and "Marxist-Leninist" parties, as well as those mixing Marxism with every conceivable type of analysis at man's disposal.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Not the fault of the two above posters but in the Saint Lenin thread I had already renounced Stirnerism there and in some visitor messages/private messages. My disgust with the faux-Marxism of Stalinists, Trotskyists and their ilk somewhat consumed me; I was tired of seeing them justify all of their weird defenses of mass murder and Orwellian nineteen eighty-fourism with obscure quotations from Lenin, Engels or Marx. You are wasting your breath at this point as I have already made a return to Marxism, but a very different kind of Marxism to that of those operating in historical reenactment societies known as Trotskyist and "Marxist-Leninist" parties, as well as those mixing Marxism with every conceivable type of analysis at man's disposal.

OK, but listen to Worriers anyway, because they're fucking sick. "Yes, All Cops" was the poppiest smartest anti-pig jam of 2015, and "Imaginary Life" is a fantastic album.

[Tim Redd]

"Sie selbst erschossen?"

"Yes, but it's okay; Karl, look at me.. I'm really okay. Trust me, everything's gonna' be fine."

All around me the ideological landmarks of the past year obliterate themselves, and theoretical vigor continues to pour from my metaphysical jugular vein. I spent the last twelve months of my life going around unconsciously as someone... or something... else, creating franchises of ideology, clones of thought, lucid dreams of reality.

Why would I do this to myself, you ask? Because I had to kill him; I had to kill that Che Guevara, that Vladimir Illych Lenin, that Amadeo Bordiga, that pure ideology. It took a brief moment after the shot had registered in my mind, but the dying unconscious construct stood there metaphorically and mumbled:

"What's that smell?"

It would be apt to say that you met me at a very strange time in my life. But the deal's off. I thought it'd kill me, but if freed me. Now I'm in control, and it's my voice speaking.

The only question that remains is: what now?

I'm all for post-modern quasi-absurdity in form, but to me its reactionary to want to kill "that Che Guevara, that Vladimir Lenin". They were people and leaders who actually strove and tried to transform the world to be more positive. Why should they be prematurely taken out of the story?

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I'm all for post-modern quasi-absurdity in form, but to me its reactionary to want to kill "that Che Guevara, that Vladimir Lenin". They were people and leaders who actually strove and tried to transform the world to be more positive. Why should they be prematurely taken out of the story?

I think he means it in the same way that Fanon says that when the Colonized kills one man, he kills both the Colonized and the Colonist, or the way that Zen Buddhists recommend that we "kill the Buddha" - Fanon doesn't mean he wants to kill colonized people, nor does a Buddhist mean he wants to go back in time and kill the Buddha. What he means is that we need to kill our ideas of these people, or the personas for them that we've built as a political movement.

Anyways, Che and Lenin are already long dead - we can't literally kill them again. Much as a Zen Buddhist knows we cannot physically kill some Indian monk living 2600 years ago.

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

That was exactly my point, and that still stands either if I don't renounce communism. What inspired my zeal in this thread was the sanctification of Lenin by Trotskyists and Stalinists, and the sanctification of Marx and Engels by a variety of Marxists. I want to see all inspirational figures, whether theoretically or romantically influential, as men and women, not gods. It certainly isn't untrue that there are people who deify these figures (the thread that inspired me to write this and the "Saint Lenin" thread was the thread by some Stalinist that tactically used an obscure few quotations from Lenin to justify Stalin's leadership).