Orthodox Trotskyist Parties?

[Communist Mutant From Outer Space]

Are there any parties that could be described as "Orthodox Trotskyist"? I see it as a tendency on here, but do any parties call themselves this and to what degree is their claim (if any do claim it) true?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

"Orthodox Trotskyism" was how the Shachmanites called the line of the US SWP in the thirties and forties; it's a pretty silly name (and it wasn't meant as a compliment) but it stuck, particularly in the contraction "orthotrot". Today it generally means groups whose policies are in line with the old US SWP (before the unification with the Pabloists). So, that's the US SEP and their affiliates, the US SL and their affiliates, and the Sri Lankan group around Sammarakkody, if that survived. Of course each of these groups would deny the others are orthodox but such is life.

[The Idler]

"Orthodox Trotskyism" was how the Shachmanites called the line of the US SWP in the thirties and forties; it's a pretty silly name (and it wasn't meant as a compliment) but it stuck, particularly in the contraction "orthotrot". Today it generally means groups whose policies are in line with the old US SWP (before the unification with the Pabloists). So, that's the US SEP and their affiliates, the US SL and their affiliates, and the Sri Lankan group around Sammarakkody, if that survived. Of course each of these groups would deny the others are orthodox but such is life.
Wouldn't they also deny they themselves were 'orthodox' as if there is any other sort of Trotskyism?

[Q]

Are there any parties that could be described as "Orthodox Trotskyist"? I see it as a tendency on here, but do any parties call themselves this and to what degree is their claim (if any do claim it) true?
I noticed the term started to get traction on this site after the "orthodox Marxists" styled themselves as such. I always thought it was some sort of reaction to us.

[The Idler]

I think certain Trotskyists have dismissed other Trotskyists as 'unorthodox' for a long time.

[Emmett Till]

"Orthodox Trotskyism" was how the Shachmanites called the line of the US SWP in the thirties and forties; it's a pretty silly name (and it wasn't meant as a compliment) but it stuck, particularly in the contraction "orthotrot". Today it generally means groups whose policies are in line with the old US SWP (before the unification with the Pabloists). So, that's the US SEP and their affiliates, the US SL and their affiliates, and the Sri Lankan group around Sammarakkody, if that survived. Of course each of these groups would deny the others are orthodox but such is life.

Is that what the Shachtmanites called the SWP then? Interesting. In any case, phrase "orthodox Trotskyist" was adopted by Cannon himself as the proper description for the politics of the SWP and its International Committee when you had the split with the official Fourth International in the early'50s. So, orthodox Trotskyism is what Cannon and the other IC groups (Healy, Lambert, Moreno for that matter) supported vs. Pablo's revision of the trotskyist program.

I think Sammarrakkody's group still exists, but there isn't much left of it. A handful. The LSSP formally remained neutral between the IC and the "official" FI that evolved into the USec.