Rage inside me

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

The anti-capitalist rage inside me grows by the day, I'm absolutely frustrated by everything, the more I read the more frustrated I become, people turn on each other by the silliest things. Racism, sexism and xenophobia are rising, they spout stupid pre-made comments on forums or youtube and get tons of thumbs up like the typical 'communism is good in theory, but bad in practice' or 'communism doesn't take into account human nature' Then some say it's unrealistic, like that's an excuse to give up and accept what we have right now. What makes me even madder it's that it isn't just capitalist propaganda, it's workers themselves who fight against communists.

I don't have hope, I think I'm becoming more elitist too, a vanguard is essential to spread communism, a revolution won't happen just because we wish for one without work and effort.

I should take my rage and do something productive with it but I'm too lazy and that's frustrating itself.

/rant.

[Ele'ill]

relish your disintegrating hope

[Thirsty Crow]

I don't have hope, I think I'm becoming more elitist too, a vanguard is essential to spread communism, a revolution won't happen just because we wish for one without work and effort.

I should take my rage and do something productive with it but I'm too lazy and that's frustrating itself.

/rant.
Eh, I think I know where you're coming from.

Thing is, this frustration and rage is no good. Really, I can't see a productive outlet for it if it doesn't include some other stuff. Like cool headed reflection on one's own activities and prospects for certain kinds of activity.

One other way of looking at it is that propaganda just might be inflated by communists. By that I mean that there are more basic mechanisms which affect our lives as workers, and consequently our views and attitudes.

I also think that the activist mentality of "do something do something anything at all" is a huge hindrance.

[Synergy]

i heard that lenin AND stalin ate babies and forced everyone to wear pink socks

[The Intransigent Faction]

Eh, I think I know where you're coming from.

Thing is, this frustration and rage is no good. Really, I can't see a productive outlet for it if it doesn't include some other stuff. Like cool headed reflection on one's own activities and prospects for certain kinds of activity.

One other way of looking at it is that propaganda just might be inflated by communists. By that I mean that there are more basic mechanisms which affect our lives as workers, and consequently our views and attitudes.

I also think that the activist mentality of "do something do something anything at all" is a huge hindrance.

Fuck that. If we have rage, we need to use that energy to accomplish something. Sometimes things change for the better because of anger. The idea that "cool-headed reflection" is always rational or constructive is attractive but it also contains elitist ivory-tower assumptions about what is rational or constructive.

Let the hate flow through you, because you have to demolish before you can rebuild.

Also, I may be slightly drunk. I have been mulling over the same things as the OP, though. A class of bureaucrats controlling centralized industries would be detached from the masses and would have to be supplanted with democratic organizations, but it seems as though that struggle of workers in nominally "socialist" states involves a different and much more intuitive struggle. What if the struggle of genuine socialists against a bureaucracy that has to at least pay lip service to promoting workers' class-consciousness is a "necessary" stage? A friend of mine once asked if perhaps Lenin's vanguardist theory became a self-fulfilling prophecy when it seemingly inexorably tied workers' understanding of socialism to its own model. In other words, a vanguard is needed because that's the only way socialism will go from being something completely marginalized in Western liberal capitalist discourse to something that's at least acknowledged and struggled over. I don't really buy the idea that it's necessary, but having to convince people that a bureaucracy is not needed to control the means of production "on the workers' behalf" does not sound as difficult as having to go over and over these rudimentary points about why capitalism is not the end of history and capitalist greed is not some fundamental aspect of "human nature". Yet, that's obviously not how things played out in the USSR, whatever the reasons may be, so for now I would say I'm too skeptical of the idea of a vanguard party. Even if it's a quicker way to overthrow the existing global regime, it presents new obstacles that bypassing the creation of an entrenched bureaucracy through self-sustained autonomous democratic organizations would avoid.

[Aslan]

The anti-capitalist rage inside me grows by the day, I'm absolutely frustrated by everything, the more I read the more frustrated I become, people turn on each other by the silliest things. Racism, sexism and xenophobia are rising, they spout stupid pre-made comments on forums or youtube and get tons of thumbs up like the typical 'communism is good in theory, but bad in practice' or 'communism doesn't take into account human nature' Then some say it's unrealistic, like that's an excuse to give up and accept what we have right now. What makes me even madder it's that it isn't just capitalist propaganda, it's workers themselves who fight against communists.

I don't have hope, I think I'm becoming more elitist too, a vanguard is essential to spread communism, a revolution won't happen just because we wish for one without work and effort.

I should take my rage and do something productive with it but I'm too lazy and that's frustrating itself.


Youtube and sites like that are definatly not the place to go if you want to have an intellectual debate. The site reeks of Tankies, liberals, reactionaries, neo-nazis etc. especially if communism is involved. Only good places there are libertarian-socialist/anarchoCom channels.

The supposed ''vanguard'' is the reason why these communist organizations go statist. The republican system itself is not what democracy stands for. Giving executive powers to a small group of ''elected'' people will end in tyranny. The only reason why I don't take the anarcho-communist stance on the revolution is because there needs to be some sort of centralized body to defend the revolution and to spread it.

I feel you, takes a lot of stuff to defeat capitalism..

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

I meant a Vanguard to spread class consciousness, but after the revolution no vanguard would be needed, it's unnecessary.

I don't go to youtube to debate, but I do to watch videos and documentaries and I take a look at what the comments are saying, and it rarely makes me satisfied.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Re: elitism Raving Radicals Bathed in Blax, "Chapter 1: Blazin'"


“Wait, so isn’t this just shepherd’s pie?” he asked, turning his head towards Tisha.

http://www.canfacs.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Updated_Shepherds_Pie.jpg

“Nah, dude, it’s hachis Parmentier!” Tisha replied with forceful adamance. “This be some real haute cuisine shit, son. You call it that and you’re relegating my culinary skills to subalternate status!”

http://www.maman-tendance.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/hachis.jpg

“Ha! Shepherd’s pie? Sounds like some hick town shit,” Izzy interjected.

“Pfft, don’t be such elitists,” Pedrocco chided. “Come revolution time, you can bet your bottom buck we’ll need those so-called ‘hicks’ on our side!”

“Hear, hear, Izzy!” said Witherslapt. “For what it’s worth, in his eleventh thesis on contemporary art, Badiou raises the specter of what he calls an ’aristocratic-proletarian ethic’. Perhaps there is such a thing as a healthy dose of elitism. Eh, Pedroc? I really do think we’d do well to study some Badiou and discuss it at our next get together.”

“No socialist revolution worth its salt would have gotten half way off the ground without the support of the peasantry,” Pedrocco shot back. “The peasantry is a powerful force-multiplier which, when incorporated into a popular front, can make any revolutionary movement virtually unstoppable!”

“First hicks, now it’s the peasantry? Come off it, Pedroc! This is the twenty-first century we’re living in here!” Witherslapt said, beginning to raise his voice. “Update your social analysis a bit! And I thought we all agreed on the tactical superiority of the united front over the popular front at our last meeting!”

Paty finished her serving of hachis Parmentier quickly.


Re: stupid pre-made comments Raving Radicals Bathed in Blax, "Chapter 16: Marita's Book Club Army Fraction"


“Marita, look at what’s on Conservative Cable News,” her father, Don, said. “Those damn socialist sods have really done it this time. We warned you about hanging out with those unshaven slovenly losers, and now look what’s happening to ’em! The police are busting their asses down, those goddamn bastard punks.”

“I know, Dad. It’s been all over the news since those detainees escaped from the secret government prison. But I stopped going to the Socialist Alliance meetings a super long time ago! I’ve matured and grown up enough to realize the foolishness of being an idealistic kid. Communism looks great in theory, but in practice it just never works,” Marita said, reciting one of the lines she had rehearsed in order to evade her parents’ suspicions of her continued involvement in Socialist Alliance.

Don responded, “As good old Winston Churchill used to say, if you’re a Liberal when you’re young, it’s okay because young people are stupid. If you’re Conservative when you’re old, it’s good because it means you’re smarter than those Lib-tard fucks.”

Marita rolled her eyes, pursed her fine lips, and crossed her arms. This was the type of dimwitted fuckery which passed for wisdom in the Bastesen household.

[Full Metal Bolshevik]

I'M SO FUCKING MAD.

I opened a topic about marxism on a forum so we could have a discussion, quickly strawman and other fallacies came, I disproved them and literally the next post they used the same ones! They keep bringing human nature, North Korea, humans are different and in communism they are all equal and same bullshit as usual. You just can't beat them, specially since so far every response was against it. 0 talk about materialism, modes of production or dialectics. It was all straight up to communism being evil utopian, authoritarian, anti human. Marx once said that the ruling ideas of any age are the ideas of the ruling class, he was fucking right, how do you change that shit?

I've read hundreds, and hundreds of hours about Marxism and still feel it's fucking hard to understand and I still need to learn a lot (and I do because I like to learn), but these idiots know it all it, it's so easy I guess! You can't discuss with strawman, ignorance and lies. I'd honestly would love to read some criticisms of Marxism around the forums to make me think and feel challenged, but it's all the same ignorant bullshit.

No point, I give up, people are stupid dumbfucks, I'll stop trying to exchange arguments and instead go down on their level and exchange images like these
https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/karl-marx-poster.jpg, very insightful they are right?

Fuck this.

There should be a forum like 4chan, Reddit or something where discussing everything is permitted as long as people use arguments and logic, and logical fallacies, simple posts and lies were to be avoided.

[motion denied]

Karl Marx was a bum, capitalism is gr8. Touché, marxists!

[Armchair Partisan]

I've long since stopped getting mad about the kind of people you described. Personally, what helps me cope with their stupidity is a bit of schadenfreude. I take pleasure in knowing that if they are bourgeois, they are just serving their class interests by disseminating lies (so why would I expect anything else?), and if they are proletarian, then they are hurting themselves by adopting the most idiotic logical fallacies of the capitalists - thus, even when I have to watch someone describe how communism is against human nature for the 100th time, I can take pleasure from knowing that the person in question suffers the appropriate consequences for their ineptitude, i.e. the continued bad effects of capitalism. I dunno, maybe that makes me a bad person in the eyes of some, but this way of thinking helps keep me sane, so I'll take that.