Problems with Christianity and the Bible

[revnoon]

Problems with Christianity and the Bible

1 Say the earth is flat later proven false.
2 Earth and world got built by God in seven days yes seven days well science say much longer.
3 People and dinosaurs coexist well science proven this false
4 Science say the universe is much older than what the Bible say.

Jesus mentions Hell or some derivative thereof many times in the gospels and hints that most people will end up suffering there.

scriptures


But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.


The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.All Well God saying he is opposed evil? It is contradictory in a sentence. If you don't like killing and torture than why would you do it.

A contradictory of the old testament vs new testament.

[Guardia Rossa]

My problems with christianity and the bible are:

1) It says that God exists and command our lives. I disagree.
2) It is merely an expression of an time way before us and is used to legitimize reactionary though since ever, it is simply not useful today.
3) It is irrational.

[Zoop]

It's also a load of insipid bollocks.

[Antiochus]

I'll talk of religion in general.

What must be understood is that religion was never meant as an explanation for the empirical, physical world. Rather, it was simply meant as an ideological foundation for society with certain "stories", meant to fill in gaps. Which is why there was never any intellectual question of religion (i.e virtually no one DOUBTED there were gods or an afterlife etc...).

Yes, there are some notable cynics and exceptions. Coming most to mind is Seneca's famous quote about how religions is, "False to the wise, true to the ignorant and useful to the powerful" (not exact quote but pretty much the sentiment).

Which is why any attempt to 'proletarize' religion or to 'democratize it' as those "liberation theologians" and the various movements similar to it ("Jesus is a socialist; I am a Christian and a socialist". "Islam is inherently socialist because of the Zakat" blah blah), are doomed to failure and should be opposed at all levels except as a tool against imperialism and even then, very cautiously so.

But I guess the most damning thing is the sheer irrationality of it. Religion can only be truly defended by someone who is, literally, mentally insane, since most of the conditions necessary to defend it are found only in individuals who are insane, either voluntarily (i.e your average evangelist) or by chance of nature..
I don't agree though that as Marx said, religion was 'invented' by the destitute and poor to alleviate their suffering. Rather, most of the evidence seems to suggest the contrary, it was/is an organized ideological effort to distract masses and concentrate power in the hands of the elite classes. That isn't to say there weren't religions with origins in the most destitute of sectors of society; but these were generally the exception and quickly co-opted.

[Comrade #138672]

My problem with the Bible is that it is very outdated.

[Бай Ганьо]

The Bible glorifies war, allows killing enemies, their wives and children, homosexuals, witches, non-virgin brides, people who dare to work on the Sabbath. It condones slavery, torturing, raping, anti-Semitism, etc. It's pretty much like all other holy scriptures.

[Guardia Rossa]

It's pretty much like all other holy scriptures.

That is, with the exception of The Wealth of Nations.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

The Bible glorifies war, allows killing enemies, their wives and children, homosexuals, witches, non-virgin brides, people who dare to work on the Sabbath. It condones slavery, torturing, raping, anti-Semitism, etc. It's pretty much like all other holy scriptures.

But don't you know, comrade that actually it is a manual for socialism, written about 16 centuries too early, and that all the stuff that's offensive to anyone remotely progressive today is to be ignored - as are the people who still follow it, of course.

I will say one thing, though, the Abhidhamma-pitaka doesn't condone killing people, the Abhidhamma-pitaka kills people. At least the compilers of the Bible, Quran, Talmud etc. were relatively concise.

[revnoon]

The Bible glorifies war, allows killing enemies, their wives and children, homosexuals, witches, non-virgin brides, people who dare to work on the Sabbath. It condones slavery, torturing, raping, anti-Semitism, etc. It's pretty much like all other holy scriptures.

From what I understand this was in the old testament and the old testament was very Conservative so I'm not sure if Jesus or the new testaments would allow this.

[revnoon]

But don't you know, comrade that actually it is a manual for socialism, written about 16 centuries too early, and that all the stuff that's offensive to anyone remotely progressive today is to be ignored - as are the people who still follow it, of course.

I will say one thing, though, the Abhidhamma-pitaka doesn't condone killing people, the Abhidhamma-pitaka kills people. At least the compilers of the Bible, Quran, Talmud etc. were relatively concise.

The Bible and Quran makes talk of God ordering people to kill gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender and than God sending them to hell.

So it not just that God is anti-gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender he hates them.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

The Bible and Quran makes talk of God ordering people to kill gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender and than God sending them to hell.

So it not just that God is anti-gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender he hates them.

I think there is a misunderstanding here. I acknowledge the disgusting violence that the Bible, Torah, Quran etc. advocate against people who have sex with the same gender etc. In fact I was mocking those "Christian leftists" who think they can sweep all of that under the rug.

The second paragraph was a comment on the monstrous length of some religious texts, with the Abidhamma-pitaka averaging around 1600 pages if I recall correctly. Certainly that's enough to kill people.

[Бай Ганьо]

From what I understand this was in the old testament and the old testament was very Conservative so I'm not sure if Jesus or the new testaments would allow this.

Lol. Check this: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

[Fire]

1. Most of the fanclub is Really awful


I am a Christian, a recent convert. I also happen to be visibly queer and its sometimes hard to find communities that I can ask theological questions of that aren't full of anti-choicers and queer bashers. I have had a lot of luck with gay christian and facebook groups for leftist and progressive Christians.

To me, the most salient point about Jesus was that he was incredibly radical. IF you look at his actual Words he is very adamantly opposed to the wealthy and the system of privilege. His story opens up with him being the child of a refugee family from the middle east. His background is being a common worker - a carpenter in an occupied state where slavery was a social norm.

Then there are the Gnostic gospels which were suppressed for political reasons. I don't know if they are right or not but I think its also important to consider them to.

In a religion where we are saved through the grace and mercy of God in spite of all of our flaws and sins such as white supremacy and wealth disparities, the people with the biggest platforms are the prosperty gospels preachers asking for money for a private jet and the folks that talk about the rapture, two things which are really not in the bible.

[revnoon]

I think there is a misunderstanding here. I acknowledge the disgusting violence that the Bible, Torah, Quran etc. advocate against people who have sex with the same gender etc. In fact I was mocking those "Christian leftists" who think they can sweep all of that under the rug.

The second paragraph was a comment on the monstrous length of some religious texts, with the Abidhamma-pitaka averaging around 1600 pages if I recall correctly. Certainly that's enough to kill people.

And unless religious scholars deal with Bible, Torah, Quran you going to have terrorist attacks and these problems will never go away.

The only reason middle eat is in mess it is today is people follow the text. Go back in time doing the medieval times and before when Christians follow the text. The people who where non religious, atheist, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender, worshipers of other religion where burned alive.

The Bible and Quran calls for GOD that order people to kill gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgender and it does not stop there, it also calls to kill atheist, non believers, worshipers of other religion and sex with out marriage yes all to be killed by the people order by God. Than what does GOD do to these people by Bible and Quran send them to Hell.

The Bible also say majority of people will end up in Hell and doing the end days God will kill every thing and end the world. Yes even people in Heaven will be gone. Yes gone!!

Yet the church and Christians over look this and will not talk about it at all that this is worse than genocide, a devil like GOD that no human on earth would even come close to morality to allow or come to the amount of evil in side him. Yet people worship and go to church like he is Saint. The typical talk of love God and he will love you back.


The more you read the Bible the more silly it becomes and more shows that God of the Bible is pure evil.

No loving God in their right mind would send people to Hell for eternity with great fire of blazing and glittering place of suffering, torment and never ending pain.

Even evil dictators on earth history would not even come close to this level of evil and lack of morality. By a factor of one to a billion on evil scale.

[revnoon]

I think there is a misunderstanding here. I acknowledge the disgusting violence that the Bible, Torah, Quran etc. advocate against people who have sex with the same gender etc. In fact I was mocking those "Christian leftists" who think they can sweep all of that under the rug.

The second paragraph was a comment on the monstrous length of some religious texts, with the Abidhamma-pitaka averaging around 1600 pages if I recall correctly. Certainly that's enough to kill people.

Also most Christian today are not really true Christian today. They pick and chose what they read. Go back to the medieval times and before when Christian read the bible like it was law book of rules.

Where Christian today is more spiritual and rituals habits and not taking Bible seriously.

[revnoon]

Lol. Check this: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

Yes but some Christians like to talk about old testament and say Jesus is sorta of like a Hippie and not harsh, evil, mean and angry God.

[Fire]

The middle east is a mess today because of imperialism

[Guardia Rossa]

Actually the Quran is a hell of a good humanist book.

Although I admit that I didn't read it, until my knowledge goes the thing with murdering people starts with later books regarded as sacred only by a portion of the muslims.

As you said yourself, the one that has religiousness take from the religious books only what supports their ideas. So the ideas themselves (Murdering everyone) comes before the Holy Books giving support to them, because there are religious books that go against this same ideas (And most of the time, they either distort or just lie the contents of the books in order to justify their ideas) and sometimes the book they draw from is also against what they use to legitimize their ideas.

Religiousness and Holy books are irrelevant.

[revnoon]

Actually the Quran is a hell of a good humanist book.

Although I admit that I didn't read it, until my knowledge goes the thing with murdering people starts with later books regarded as sacred only by a portion of the muslims.

As you said yourself, the one that has religiousness take from the religious books only what supports their ideas. So the ideas themselves (Murdering everyone) comes before the Holy Books giving support to them, because there are religious books that go against this same ideas (And most of the time, they either distort or just lie the contents of the books in order to justify their ideas) and sometimes the book they draw from is also against what they use to legitimize their ideas.

Religiousness and Holy books are irrelevant.

What bothers me about the Bible, Torah, Quranis it is not compatible with morality today. It was done when humans where more backwards back in history.

It not compatible with liberals, feminism and other communism and socialism.

In God point of view liberals, feminism and other communism and socialism is sin and punishment is Hell.

God is Conservative that makes Sheriff Joe Arpaio tent city Arizona look like a hippie.

[Tim Cornelis]

Who do you care so much? You reek of New Atheism.

[revnoon]

Who do you care so much? You reek of New Atheism.

Probably because bla bla bla yes bla bla bla this revnoon is talking about religion we left people talk about this before in the past here!! Nothing to see move on.

Sorry I was not around before when people talked about this stuff.

I can go to Christians website or political message board but they probably tell me how God and the Bible is all loving. And it just Religious zealotry that is problem.

Well religious scholars probably spend years debating the wording of words and what did God really mean by it or look for loop holes in the Bible.

[Tim Cornelis]

I don't understand why you care so much, as I said. My problem isn't that this was discussed before. My 'problem' is that I don't see why anyone would want to be preoccupied with religion in this way. It just seems like misplaced and misdirected, and like you're riding the silly wave of New Atheism. And yes, it's preaching to the choir, as you more or less say yourself.

[Bala Perdida]

Is the OP the reason why most of the feed right now is about Christianity and shit?

[Lenina]

Problems with Christianity and the Bible

1 Say the earth is flat later proven false.
2 Earth and world got built by God in seven days yes seven days well science say much longer.
3 People and dinosaurs coexist well science proven this false
4 Science say the universe is much older than what the Bible say.

Jesus mentions Hell or some derivative thereof many times in the gospels and hints that most people will end up suffering there.

scriptures




All Well God saying he is opposed evil? It is contradictory in a sentence. If you don't like killing and torture than why would you do it.

A contradictory of the old testament vs new testament.

1. Has the Earth really been proven not to be flat? Then again does the Bible really come out and say it's flat???

2. Science isn't always right, look at carbon dating, it's been fudged numerous times.

3. Actually this has never been proven false.

4. Actually the universe has never been proven to be much older at all,in fact the earth is more apt to be only around 10k years or less old - History points to this.

Many people will will wind up in hell, there's only two places....