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Apollodorus
19th December 2015, 13:47
In particular I have noticed in my country that all of my friends in the revolutionary Left are supportive of our new Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, at least in comparison to his predecessor, Tony Abbott. For those of you who are not in Australia, Malcolm Turnbull represents the 'libertarian' faction of the Liberal Party: he largely represents bourgeois interests, however this is ignored because he is an activist for marriage equality, for a republic, etc.

Tony Abbott, in contrast, represented the traditionalist faction of the Party. He is less of an economic liberal, but this is ignored because he was so involved in many Catholic causes célèbres.

Why is this? It seems to me to be a departure from Marxist orthodoxy.

reviscom1
19th December 2015, 17:20
Good question.

I have noticed similar.

I think that many on the left get confused as to which revolution they are working towards. Many of them still seem to be psychologically working towards a bourgeois revolution, and get offended about things that are practically irrelevant in the modern world - aristocrats, the Church, constitutional monarchs and the like.

This distracts their attention from the important struggle - that against Capitalism as a socio-economic system.

#FF0000
19th December 2015, 18:45
Tony Abbot was an "anti-capitalist conservative"?

Ceallach_the_Witch
19th December 2015, 19:32
i like to say things that don't make any sense too

Aslan
19th December 2015, 19:44
I support neither.

They are both reactionary forces. It's just that the Anti-capitalist right tricks people into thinking they're against capitalism.

Free market libertarians have no power in the real world. Which means that they are less of a danger to the lower classes. The most nuttiest of them (Molyneux) will never leave the internet.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
19th December 2015, 21:41
illiberal=/=anticapitalist

Hit The North
19th December 2015, 22:26
Better a socially-progressive cappie than a socially-reactionary one (Abbot is not anti-capitalist by any stretch).

I don't know what this Marxist orthodoxy is, that you mention. Marx explicitly supported capitalists who represented progressive social forces against anti-capitalist conservatives who clung to outdated moralities and interests.

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Anglo-Saxon Philistine
19th December 2015, 22:33
Talking about "anti-capitalist" conservatism (which any Marxist would have opposed even more than capitalism, back when it existed) and a supposed "Marxist orthodoxy" that is little more than opposition to liberalism smells an awful lot like querfront bullshit desperately trying to throw half of the working class (women, gay people, minorities) under the bus so they can join the chorus denouncing capitalism for supposed moral decay.