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hazard
18th February 2004, 04:02
So I'm listening to this chump yap away like he "know's" something. What did he say? Oh yeah. Some shit about sharing moments between dumb sounding gasps and a stupid vocal tenure with mock sarcasm in reference to the event in question, some stupid quips about crying on the weekend, and a hesitant question concerning actuality. Plus a gender related insult, false attribution to intelligence on a basis of age, and an idiotic conclusion that can only spell one thing. Know nothing knowledge.

This is the tamplate that the imbecile follows. Take a couple of details and splice them into a pointless conversation that really serves no purpose except, and here is they kick, to provide some sort of INCLUSIVE evidence. Like ten year olds congregating at a tire yard, trading bubbel cards, these KNK types always saunter over and try to force their way in. They display what little they know as quickly as they can to try and make sure that everybody within earshot becomes aware that they know something. I will use an example.

There is a club and the password is "kingston". A KNK finds this out. Somehow. And so he goes to the club, and says the password. but since he is not a member, he cannot gain entry. And the KNK, being as idiotic as anybody who would behave like the person in the original paragraph, insists that he be let into the club. For he knew the password. It doesn't matter if there is MORE to this club than knowing the password, that the club has a capacity, that there are certain requirements, and so on. The KNK thinks that the password is enough, and either refuses to understand or is incapable of understanding. Let this basic example serve as a launch point for the remainder of this piece.

Inclusive and Exclusive language as it exists between people. Some call this "code work", as is the modern practice and how it pertains to the KNK majority within society. Typically, inclusive language is like the codeword in the example. All other words exist as exclusive language. However, without the meaning attached to the inclusive language, it too is exclusive. So, the KNK who approaches the oracle, or security, of the club with the correct INCLUSIVE LANGUAGE, can still be denied access. Why? BEcause INCLUSIVE can also be EXCLUSIVE. How? Simply put, if one does not know what makes the language inclusive, the language is just as exclusive as any other part of the exclusive langauge set.

The distinction lay in the source of inclusion. I've also heard of this practice as being described, in relation to ajoke, as an "inside joke". So, using the same example, "kingston". The KNK knows the word, but does not know WHY the word is the current password. All members of the club do know this. IT HAS MEANING. So whether or not the KNK wants to attach his own meaning to it so as to attempt acces to the club is pointess. The club uses kingston because that is where they just purchased their club TV set. The KNK does not know this, and thinks that he can say kingston is the pass because that is where he went to school. Thus, INCLUSIVE is EXCLUSIVE if you are not a component of the inclusve set.

The original paragraph is a fine example, from reality, of this practice. Pretty much all that was said had an INCLUSIVE as EXCLUSIVE value. Why, though, would the KNK want to use such language if not to gain access to an inclusive set? The only reasonable explanation is that this KNK, if NOT attempting to gain access, is part of some other set that particpates in the utilization of language so as only o replicate the inclusive language of others. So, its almost like speaking a foreign language without understanding anything that is being spoken. Even more idiotic and foolish than attempting to gain access in the first place. At least there is a goal other than disruption in attempting to replicate an inclusive language set for the purpose of access. When one does so for the only other alternate , as some form of "anti-inclusive" inclusive set who exists only to mimic the inclusive language of others, the crowning achievement of human achievement has been reached. The absolute pinacle of imbecility. For now, as being unable to speak inclusively let alone be considered a component of the inclusive set, the KNK descends to some sort of sensless echoing device with as much reason as a rock face or brick wall. They mimic the sounds, know not the meaning, and seem satisified in their pointles ability to disrupt. Word to the wise. Most inclusive sets work around such stupidity if not work entirely to expand their inclusive language set to accomadate such intrusions as seperate from the standard KNK access attempting types.

Conclusively, there are two KNK types. Those that utilize inclusive/exclusive language as an attempt to gain access and those who use it only as a disruptive method of communicating. This discussion is merely a comment on social trends regarding the practice of language and the attribution of meaning, as well as an attempt to understand the nature and source of interuption, interference and disruption as these exist as INTENTIONAL efforts to cause communication breakdowns. Based upon personal experience, the frequency of KNK of both types matters not in respect to the ONLY effect it can ever have. Which is a non permanent, non lasting and transitory effect upon the current set of an inclusive language set. And, as this set is either constantly expanding or being modified, the KNK's are stuck in a process of following this set for whatever purpose they may have. Unfortunately, there is little hope for a KNK. Their moral value is on a scale of low to none. For the entire purpose of mimicing an inclusive language set would only have a person lacking in an ethical understanding attempt interaction like that. Their creative reasoning or strict constructive creativity is non-existant. For mimicry is not creative, nor is the inability to understand that all that is being done is mimicing.

Never being a KNK, or really a fan of the inclusive component of language, I have no furthur insight I can add to this process. Perhaps if the KNK's saw this process in simplified forms they'd be less interested in attempting what they attempt. However, since I think such "people" are possibly cloned from vats and thus lacking in the proper relational elements that make even NORMAL language discussions possible, I have no way to realte this to them. My suggestion is to read this. Read it again. And if you have any questions, just ask. You know who you are. I see the vast majority of post nov/03 chelives members as this type. Either by my GUERRILLA POSTING campaign or otherwise. Lets see how much you don't know.

On a side note, despite the fact that Socrates claimed that all he knew was that he didn't know anything, this phrase was itself part of his own INCLUSIVE language set. Only he, and those within his set, knew what that meant inclusively. Please do not confuse the KNK (know nothing knowledge) people with holding the same meaning as Socrates when he said he knew nothing. What he really meant was that he knew THAT, which was something, anyway. These people literally know nothing, which is much much much less than knowing something, mostly because they are incapable of being aware that this, nothing, is all they know. Which is why they do what they do. Which is, ah, you should get it by how. Phew!

Individual
18th February 2004, 04:33
Hazard, I don't think I have agreed on a single thing you have said.

Your writing is of a foreign, run-on sentence language, that half the time I cannot even comprehend.

You disregard what anyone else thinks.

You are one ignorant bastard.

You are a self-proclaimed genius.

You babble on with some of the biggest nonsense I have ever heard.

You come up with things I would not think twice about.

Your theories are so abnormal that I can't even begin to argue them.

But by God, I have to give you credit for thinking outside the box.(though at times I have a feeling your mind is dripping with chemical and natural intoxicants).

No matter how much I may disagree/scoff/ and even scream at the computer. You still deserve credit for having a very.. well.. working mind. Thought you cannot except anything I, nor anyone else, say. You deserve credit for being observant in life. No matter what the hell people say, you could care less and keep about your business. I can't say I admire what exactly you say, but I can admire the fact that you give your two cents and god damnit, screw off. I think I have finally come to realize how you are. And in ways, I think my mind can relate.

edit: I can see it now, you are going to come back with an arguement. haha. Keep up your observations you crazy ass!

hazard
18th February 2004, 06:28
not much of a prediction to put forward, but hey, at least you had the balls to post something here

what didn't you understand?

the length is excessive, but necessary

I think you caught wind of what I was saying anyway

or, you didn't and are doing exactly what it is I am writing about anyway

either way, it doesn't matter

you are part of the post NOV03 crowd so I kow who you are and what you represent

eyedrop
18th February 2004, 11:25
What were you actually trying to say?

The best quess I can do is that you condemned people that only copy others thought and conclusion without understanding the basic core of the theory.

If it's that I must agree with you since they always manage to make such contradicting arguments.

Individual
18th February 2004, 17:52
not much of a prediction to put forward, but hey, at least you had the balls to post something here
what didn't you understand?
the length is excessive, but necessary
I think you caught wind of what I was saying anyway
or, you didn't and are doing exactly what it is I am writing about anyway
either way, it doesn't matter
you are part of the post NOV03 crowd so I kow who you are and what you represent

Yes, for the most part I can see where you are trying to get at. However the winding road you take to get there is where I fall off.

For myself having the balls to post something. Honestly, this is not the case. It had finally hit me. I now feel that I understand your mind set, outside of posting. Obviously I do not know you personally. However I sense your mind, your thought process, your curiousity. Though I get angered, for even with this last post, you are very ignorant. In ways this is a good thing, and I think I realized why you say what you do.

You prove your ignorance by labelling myself, and others, as a post Nov '03 crowd. You do not know myself personally, and you do not know the way my thought process and mind work. I am fine with you assuming things on this 'post Nov '03' crowd, for I can agree with you on many of them. However dates do nothing to acknowledge someones brainwork and intelligence, and I hope you shall realize this. The problem with this forum (which is not always a problem, for many have a broad amount of knowledge for their age) is that many posters are just reaching their puberty. They are in the stage where they are just rebellious and angry, and talk with no knowledge. It is not always children that do this either. Some teenagers in their 18',19's and on are extremely ignorant and you sense that half the time they speak with no intellect. This theory of KNK can fall under many of Che-Live'ers.

My whole point for my original post on this topic was to inform you (for it didn't seem like to many people acknowledged your theories) that whether or not your theories are crazy. I think it is great that there are people like on this Earth that are very observant, and are willing to stand up for their own beliefs. I'm sure the last thing you want to hear are compliments, so I am not trying to give them to you. I am merely trying to acknowledge your... observations on life. Whether right or wrong, you keep going strong without looking back.

hazard
19th February 2004, 01:36
maybe you could try commenting on my post

I don't care about anything else you have to say

its all meaningless stupidity

Individual
19th February 2004, 02:00
Maybe if you read closely. You would see that I did comment on your post. In fact, I have asked questions concerning other 'theories' of yours unto which you have no reply besides rambling on about things that don't have anything to do with the subject.

Hazard, your ignorance is what kills me. What in the hell makes you think that you are some super-genius. I now regret what I have said, for I feel that even that slight bit of acknowledgment has gone straight to your head. The fact that you want me to respond to your post, yet you tell me that what I have to say is all stupidity, goes to again reflect your intellect.

Did you ever take the time to realize that your theories apply to yourself. This would lead me to believe that your own observations in life are based around your own personal life. Your know nothing knowledge most certainly applies to yourself. Example from your own words.


They display what little they know as quickly as they can to try and make sure that everybody within earshot becomes aware that they know something.

And tell me how this wouldn't apply to you.

If you haven't noticed, your 'theories' go nowhere. Nobody cares, nobody could give two cents about what you have to say. And you trying to "display" what "little" knowledge you have on reality to make sure than all of us on Che-Lives (which would be those within your "earshot") will hopefully become aware that you "know something". If you cannot see the corrolation between yourself, read this statement of yours a few times. Hazard, I shall hope you are not as blind to see this. For once admit something. If you deny this, then you again, have given complete evidence of your own ignorance.

Hazard, you are isolating yourself. You may think that you are some super genius on the human mind and human behavior. I can tell you that you are not. I have tried to provide acknowledgment, assuming this is what you crave for. However you blow off anyone that says anything to you. Isolation will get you nowhere, and damn fast.

If you continue to only acknowledge your own thought, then one day you will surely hit a brick wall. Right now you are speeding towards this wall and not to far away. Take my advice and start opening your mind. I have a feeling this would hurt your own persona, so take it slow as to not let 'all of us' know that you are doing it (opening your mind). I can see your reply now, using profanity and trying to make myself sound like an idiot. Don't even bother, for I know deep down you are paying attention to what people have to say about you.

Hazard, wake up and join reality. I do not believe for an instant that you truly do not care what people had to say about you. For if you did, you sure as hell wouldn't be typing these theories you have, and you sure as hell would not be on this forum, talking to others. Hazard, I see right through you. You claim you do not care what I have to write, however I will bet my cookies you are still reading. Oohp, now you closed for your own ego. On that note.

Open your mind, and quit isolating yourself.

hazard
19th February 2004, 05:14
I've really got nothing to say here.

You have just fully displayed exactly what I am talking about in my post. To the letter.

Thanks.

But I never expected you to understand anyway. Post NOV03 crowd.

isolating myself? what the fuck

Individual
19th February 2004, 05:26
Hahaha!

Ignorance prevails.

I describe your know nothing knowledge theorem? Really, and would your genius self care to explain this to me. This should be good. Hazard, I think you explain your own theorem. I am not the one crying out for someone to listen to me. You are. Hence the fact that you started all these topics about your theories.

You have a great life ahead of you going at the pace you are. Good luck.

hazard
19th February 2004, 23:34
I guess I should feel insulted

but then since you, as I described to the letter, literally TAKE my theory and attempt to use it without understanding it, I can hold you up as the definitive KNK. you take an inclusive language subset (my KNK discussion) and by only copying thewords, try to become inclusive to the set. however, your inclusion is only exclusive for you know not the source of the ideas. like the "code" example. you don't even pretend to understand. perfect execution of my point in process. I could not have orchestrated the idea in any more of a beautiful way.

thanks again