Question for those who advocate labor vouchers?

[Pawel]

I've been researching the concept as much as I can lately, but I cannot figure out one question I've been proposing;

When it comes to something made on your own time, could you receive credit for it if you say, 'sell' it to some sort of communal stock? Or are labor vouchers only viable for actual 'work'? Thank you ahead of time for any and all answers. :marx: :engles:

[Pawel]

I'm quite new to the concept of labor vouchers, it seems like a good theory as to how to transition into a moneyless society at its least as a temporary measure .

I've tried finding an answer at least a theoretical one based on how things could possibly function, and I'm not understanding this;

If somebody creates a good on their own time, could they perhaps hand it in to a sort of communal surplus of goods and receive credit for doing so? If not, what options, in theory do you think people living more individuslistically would have for obtaining extra credit that they might want to have for extra things that they cannot create themselves?

[ckaihatsu]

I've been researching the concept as much as I can lately, but I cannot figure out one question I've been proposing;

When it comes to something made on your own time, could you receive credit for it if you say, 'sell' it to some sort of communal stock? Or are labor vouchers only viable for actual 'work'? Thank you ahead of time for any and all answers. :marx: :engles:





I'm quite new to the concept of labor vouchers, it seems like a good theory as to how to transition into a moneyless society at its least as a temporary measure .

I've tried finding an answer at least a theoretical one based on how things could possibly function, and I'm not understanding this;

If somebody creates a good on their own time, could they perhaps hand it in to a sort of communal surplus of goods and receive credit for doing so? If not, what options, in theory do you think people living more individuslistically would have for obtaining extra credit that they might want to have for extra things that they cannot create themselves?


The *short* answer to this is that *no exchanges* whatsoever would be needed -- no one would be 'keeping tabs' or 'looking for monetary remuneration' for whatever it is that they'd be doing anyway, production-wise, for the general good.

If there was something in particular you were looking for, you'd simply make that fact known, just like today on the Internet or in person or whatever -- hopefully someone appropriate would be willing to do that thing for you, quite possibly as they'd be used to doing regularly, regardless. If it was more of an *irregular* request then perhaps you'd feel some obligation to figure out a way to 'repay that favor' to them at a later time.

(Also consider that, with all means of mass / industrial production *collectivized*, all goods would automatically / necessarily be from liberated-production, and not commodified, so any tangible *items* that someone needed would either be d.i.y. on openly available (socialized) implements, or else they would result from someone else's *service* (efforts). This means that everything 'economic' would reduce to matters of (liberated) 'services' for each other, which could be handled as regular, everyday kinds of favors -- like 'Hey, I owe you one.')

The *longer* answer has to do with matters of liberated labor that are *distasteful* (hazardous and/or difficult), that *no one* wants to do, in such a society. This topic was just discussed at another thread -- my treatment follows, and my fuller *critique* of 'labor vouchers' is at the same post, at the link.


Planned economy contradicting freely associated labor?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2861811&postcount=20





Quick clarification:

Hypothetically, liberated labor would *never* have to be measured, because in the best-case scenario everything would be produced as a 'gift economy', with all work effort being voluntarily and freely given, for production for the common good, *and* it would be sufficient for everyone's needs.

But if *any* of these factors, for *any* given good or service could *not* be guaranteed, then it would *not* be a gift economy (for those particular items). Society would have a common interest, of some extent, in providing some kind of social incentive for those who would do the distasteful but socially-necessary labor that others would not readily do.

Since all liberated-production would be for the sake of eliminating scarcity, the only component remaining that *could* be conceivably scarce in such a society would be (liberated) labor itself.

I developed a model that enables communism's 'free access' and 'direct distribution' while providing social incentives for any work efforts at distasteful tasks -- the reward would be the empowerment to select and activate available and willing liberated labor, in proportion to one's own actual performed labor:


labor credits framework for 'communist supply & demand'



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