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Jacob Cliff
8th December 2015, 04:53
Not to sound like some tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theorist, but I do think that the future of America, and for the majority of the west for that matter, is going to feature massive democratic decay and a sort of slow adoption of "oriental capitalism" -- the kind now emerging from China, Singapore, etc., with a large, oppressive government and a lessening democracy.

Now, obviously we don't want to replicate the Russian Revolution simply for the reason of fulfilling some fetishized nostalgic reenactment of the "first successful" socialist revolution, but I do think that the same sort of secrecy, strict, unbending centralism and discipline, various formalities, etc., that the Bolsheviks had when trying to evade the Tsarist Okhrana may come back in America with revolutionaries finding they need to evade the NSA, or whatever.

Is this maybe far-fetched, or do you think that, perhaps, the formation of a party before further democratic decay (just to get ready, at least) would be a step we ought to take?

Sinister Cultural Marxist
11th December 2015, 07:07
Uhm, Bolshies in the US in 2015 have one huge advantage the Russian Bolsheviks of 1917 didn't have, which is that the NSA doesn't take any of them seriously enough to bother spying on them. The huge advantage the Russian Bolsheviks of 1917 had was that they really were actually dangerous enough for the Russian intelligence to take seriously.

The Intransigent Faction
11th December 2015, 22:06
Uhm, Bolshies in the US in 2015 have one huge advantage the Russian Bolsheviks of 1917 didn't have, which is that the NSA doesn't take any of them seriously enough to bother spying on them. The huge advantage the Russian Bolsheviks of 1917 had was that they really were actually dangerous enough for the Russian intelligence to take seriously.

Wasn't the whole point of the NSA's latest spying programs to scoop up data regardless of whether the source was threatening or nonthreatening?

A Revolutionary Tool
12th December 2015, 22:07
Uhm, Bolshies in the US in 2015 have one huge advantage the Russian Bolsheviks of 1917 didn't have, which is that the NSA doesn't take any of them seriously enough to bother spying on them. The huge advantage the Russian Bolsheviks of 1917 had was that they really were actually dangerous enough for the Russian intelligence to take seriously.
Yet they sent in undercover spies to the Freedom Road Socialist Organization and tried to get members arrested for supporting FARC and PFLP. Do I take FRSO (whichever one) as serious threats to the US? Of course not, but let's not underestimate the strength and willingness of the government to spy on us and to try and destroy our organizations before they even take root.

What does the MarxianSocialist mean by we need to create a party now when there are countless parties to join? Should we create a secret party that outwardly doesn't appear to exist except to the members of said party?