EMO

[atlanticche]

im just confused what in the hell is it?
what genre is it, what bands play it what is it
any information would be helpful please

[mia wallace]

it's european music office.
maybe this site (http://www.musicineurope.org/) can help

[atlanticche]

wow thanks i thought it was some kind of music genre

[FatFreeMilk]

yeah so did I. I guess I've been lied to all my life.






*sarcasm

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

All of you are wrong.
It's actually emotionaly-charged punk music.
It's similar to punk, but more whiny and depressed.

[atlanticche]

so it is a genre
come Watson we must investigate
can you name any bands then who do that type of music

[Palmares]

EMO...

I've always known it to mean EMOtional hardcore. Meaning emotional Punk or something.

Pronounced E-mo.

[Urban Rubble]

I'd tell you, but the all knowing Emo God guerillaradio would just come in and tell me I'm wrong, regardless of if I was or not. So I won't say shit, except for that Emo sucks.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I think this is one of the only places where Urban and I agree when it comes to music.
Emo absolutely sucks.

[celtopunk]

Yes, annoying shit for the most part.

[Individual]

If your dog died and you like to cry... listen to emo

If your girlfriend cheated on you, and you like to cry... listen to emo

If you like to cry a lot... listen to emo

If you've never had a companion beside your mom... listen to emo

If you hate your life... listen to emo

If you like depressing sh't...listen to emo

If you want to kill yourself, and need that final spark... listen to emo

Basically, emo is a bunch of lost souls that whine about their girlfriends/boyfriends and talk about how sh'tty their life is.

My message to emo bands: Cry me a f'cking river

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

They have nothing to be sad about, is the trouble!
They're probably mostly rich fellas who still have the "Oh, my life is soo dreadfuly terrible. I want to die! i can't believe the local Mickey D's ran out of Chicken McNuggets"-mindset of teenagers. It's so sad.

There is such a thing as good sad music, but it isn't emo.
If I'm sad, i listen to some Clapton.

[guerrillaradio]

You're all absolute ****s. I really feel sorry for each and every one of you. (http://www.fourfa.com)

[hazard]

say, does any of you know if descendents are emo?

[guerrillaradio]

Kinda. They were also a formative pop punk band but most emo kids would own at least one Descendents record. Personally I don't care for them that much.

[Individual]

You're all absolute ****s.

Gee, I didn't realize an actual human being could be consumed by a giant '****', therefore becoming one. That is a scientific breakthrough. Be sure to mention all of our names when you get a Nobel Prize. Because hell, if it weren't for us, you wouldn't have been so angered and said that.

Really though, I never knew someone that intentionally isolated themselves like that. Insulting everyone that reads that post. We are all absolute ****s? Are you sure now?

Ok. To your little 'webpage'. If I wrote a webpage about Hitler and Nazis, would you learn to love it? If I wrote a webpage about space aliens eating monkeys and taking control of the United States in 1974, would you believe it? If I wrote a webpage about how great your mom is in bed, would you then want to sleep with her? If I.. Ok. I hope you get my point.

Why in the hell would I care about this webpage 'explaining' emo. Haven't we already let you know that we do not like emo. It's not like we haven't heard it. Our opinions are formed, no turning back. I don't feel like feeling depressed about my life. I'm only here for a short time, I'm not going to dwell on b/s. So listen to your whining-f'cked up life music, and let it be.


I really feel sorry for each and every one of you.

Spoken like a true emo guy.

[Ian]

I personally think emo is pretty good, but I can stand the fact that others listen to something else, perhaps you anti-emo types need to accept that people like emo... plus at least we emo-fans aren't pissing people off by blazing over the radio all the time, and we don't offend anyone... unlike *off the top of my head ;) :lol:* Eric Clapton who's racist outbursts led, some would say directly, to the founding of Rock against Racism.

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 09:20 AM
I personally think emo is pretty good, but I can stand the fact that others listen to something else, perhaps you anti-emo types need to accept that people like emo... plus at least we emo-fans aren't pissing people off by blazing over the radio all the time, and we don't offend anyone... unlike *off the top of my head ;) :lol:* Eric Clapton who's racist outbursts led, some would say directly, to the founding of Rock against Racism.
Outburst? Do tell.

[atlanticche]

name at least one band please

[mia wallace]

btw, sorry for giving you the wrong information, googled and that site was the best one... i didn't know what it is before :rolleyes:

[atlanticche]

its alright no harm done
im just confeused :)

[Ian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 10:38 AM
Outburst? Do tell.
Eric Clapton once told his audience he thought Kenyans should 'Go home' and he told them to vote for a BNP candidate.

[Intifada]

Eric Clapton once told his audience he thought Kenyans should 'Go home' and he told them to vote for a BNP candidate.

wow :blink:

do you have a link?

[Intifada]

found some shit about it:

anti-nazi league (http://www.anl.org.uk/04-rar.htm)

danii mynogue is also a racist bigot

danii (http://www.repeatfanzine.co.uk/Rants/Dannii.htm)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

That's some bad shit about Clapton.
I don't care, though.
I'll still listen to his music.
It isn't dramaticaly worst than all of the other artists who are right-wing fuckers.
We can't all support only artists who reflect our political views.
That doesn't mean that I wouldn't strongly support this Rock Against Racism.

[celtopunk]

I don't own much Clapton stuff. I used to have a Cream album and maybe something else. Someone gave me that box set that came out about 10 years ago, I haven't played it ever and now I likely won't. Did he ever come out to apologize for these statements? Has he changed his thinking?

[Urban Rubble]

I personally think emo is pretty good, but I can stand the fact that others listen to something else, perhaps you anti-emo types need to accept that people like emo... plus at least we emo-fans aren't pissing people off by blazing over the radio all the time, and we don't offend anyone... unlike *off the top of my head * Eric Clapton who's racist outbursts led, some would say directly, to the founding of Rock against Racism.

I don't look down on anyone who listens to Emo, and I don't necessarily think it's a lower form of music, I just don't enjoy it. Yeah, I may make a joke about Emo kids or Emo in general, but it's just a joke, no harm intended. I just don't like the music, that doesn't mean I think you are wrong to listen to it. I'm sure half the shit I listen to would be intolerable to most people, whatever, it's just music.

What I don't like is trendy Emo kids, or trendy punk rock kids for that matter. Emo is just an easy target these days because it has become so trendy. It's the new "cool" music for dumb high school kids to listen to. Most people just enjoy the music, and that's great, what bothers me is the kids who get into it soley because it's "cool". They go out, buy some black hair dye, some tight pants and paint some X's on their hands and now they're a cool Emo kid. That shit bugs me, regardless of if it's an Emo kid or a punk rocker doing it.

Do what you want, just don't be a trendy asshole.

[dopediana]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 18 2004, 01:01 AM
I'd tell you, but the all knowing Emo God guerillaradio would just come in and tell me I'm wrong, regardless of if I was or not. So I won't say shit, except for that Emo sucks.
according to him i'm wrong about the american punk show experience. which i've had and he hasn't.






all the emo kids i know here reign wide in the land of poseurdom. in fact, noone here has good taste in music. it's all a fashion trend. i've had it with newfound glory t-shirts and the cookie cutter hot topic kiddies. and the STRAIGHTEDGERS. every kid who thinks they're emo or punk is a straightedger these days. it's only most of the potheads who are genuine.
i know it's in bad taste to profess being hardcore and that others aren't. and that's not what i'm trying to do, particularly since i'm not punk. i'm just expressing disgust at the commercialization of what could have been decent music.

[Urban Rubble]

all the emo kids i know here reign wide in the land of poseurdom. in fact, noone here has good taste in music. it's all a fashion trend. i've had it with newfound glory t-shirts and the cookie cutter hot topic kiddies. and the STRAIGHTEDGERS. every kid who thinks they're emo or punk is a straightedger these days. it's only most of the potheads who are genuine.
i know it's in bad taste to profess being hardcore and that others aren't. and that's not what i'm trying to do, particularly since i'm not punk. i'm just expressing disgust at the commercialization of what could have been decent music.

I know what you're saying, but really, that shit happens with everything, every subculture. I don't know if I just recogzine it more because it's the scene I'm into, or if it just happens more because it's whats trendy now. I'm not sure, but every subculture has the kind of people you described. Some people just get really into it because it's what they love, and some people get into it because it's what's cool at the moment and then they grow to love it. Whatever, I don't want to come off like a judgemental prick, but it's a fact, alot of kids these days are into the punk or emo scene because it's cool. I guess that's what happens with anything that becomes popular.

[FatFreeMilk]

jesus christ man, EMO is SoCal. It's disgusting. You know what, I do like some emo (sue me :P ), but the kids around here get way too carried away with it as a trend in general.

Most of the kids at my school try their best to make themselves look emo-ish. It's most obvious in the popular rich kids. Around here you're punk or emo if you buy all your clothes at Hollister( the ultimate emo kid store, only because they play emo really loud in the store and the sales kids have lip piercings ).

Now I know (I just know) the little ***** next door does not listen to the clash or the ramones, but hey man, putting a big fat patch on the back of a nice comfy sweatshirt with saftey pins convinces the rest of the student body that she's a hardcore punk rocker. It's a trend man.

There are very few "genuine" punk rockers at my school or even in my neighborhood. I don't know how I strayed from emo to punk but you get the idea that for the most part it's a trend right?

[mentalbunny]

The trend will move on eventually. What do you reckon will be next? I'd be tempted to say prog.

[Urban Rubble]

Next it's going to be a fusion of country and techno. Garth Brooks will release a sysnth album and my head will explode.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I think it will be classic-rock-ish metal.
Like the Darkness, for example.

[FatFreeMilk]

oh yeah. That&#39;s allready getting trendy here too. Not the darkness, just classic rock and pink floyd. Yeah, pink floyd is real trendy <_<

[Ian]

Jeez... I love pink floyd... now you&#39;re telling me thats cool?&#33; wtf&#33;

[mentalbunny]

When I said prog, I gues I really meant "nu-prog" (for lack fo a better expalnation, although that gives horrible images of fred durst covering Yes or something, I suppsoe the new wave of prog would be ebtter).

Anyway, what I meant was bands like Mars Volta, Radiohead, Muse and Oceansize, among others.

[Dirty Commie]

Punk died when hot profit opened, emo is like ear poison, and if Garth Brookse releases a techno album I will buy it.

[SittingBull47]

I really can&#39;t stand emo. wayyyy too whiny and they always sound on the verge of tears. Plus, it&#39;s always about a girl they didn&#39;t have a chance with.

[Zorio]

I really hope that "nu-prog" or whatever the hell it will ultimately be called is not the next fad, Radiohead and the Mars Volta are too good to be popular :(

I&#39;ll still like them, I&#39;ve been into the Mars Volta since they became a band (and I loved At the Drive-In before that) and Radiohead for years now, some teenagers who think they&#39;re "cool" won&#39;t make me not like my music.

[mentalbunny]

Yeah "nu-prog" is too good for the trendies, but can you imagine what they&#39;d wear if they got into that stuff?&#33; I think we should create our own nu-prog fan clone&#33;

[Politrickian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 01:58 AM
and the STRAIGHTEDGERS. every kid who thinks they&#39;re emo or punk is a straightedger these days.
Haha, how ironic.

Straight Edge is a big no-no in the Dutch Punk scene and even some elements of the Hardcore scene(Second Chance, A local hardcore band, made a song called straight edge is a waste). There is a very small straight edge hardcore scene here but you have to dig very deep to find it.

I wonder how many of those straight edge kids stay edge all their life....

[dopediana]

at least around hippies we don&#39;t have to deal with that straightedge shit. hah&#33;



Next it&#39;s going to be a fusion of country and techno. Garth Brooks will release a sysnth album and my head will explode.

you&#39;re seriously my hero. we should start a band ourselves.

[celtopunk]

punk mormons is how I describe straightedgers.

[guerrillaradio]

Misguided fucking bigots. I&#39;m called a judgemental poseur then you all sit around passing judgement on fucking straight edge.

Seriously. This thread is lame. Approximately 0% of the "emo" bands you see on MTV are straight edge, contrary to some of the ridiculous claims made on this thread. I kinda see Urban Rubble&#39;s point about it being trendy (actually, fuck it, I got in a fight with members of Funeral for a Friend&#39;s entourage, you&#39;re full on right), but that&#39;s not to say I don&#39;t love Taking Back Sunday&#39;s record. Emo predates most of the posters on this thread (myself included) and therefore hopefully should be able to recover from the dreadful blow they&#39;ll receive when Rolling Stone/Kerrang find something new to market. Trust me, most genuine emo kids (as in the types who listen to bands not played on corporate radio) hate this current trend as much as you do. Ditto hardcore. I&#39;d much rather go to a DIY show put on by kids active in the scene, and doing it out of love for music than see my formerly favourite band play some awards ceremony, trust.

I recommend you all listen to Rites of Spring to see what I mean when I say I dig emo.

EDIT: to draw a lazy parallel, calling the current MTV college/indie rock thing "emo" is like calling Blink 182 punk rock.

[Urban Rubble]

I kinda see Urban Rubble&#39;s point about it being trendy (actually, fuck it, I got in a fight with members of Funeral for a Friend&#39;s entourage, you&#39;re full on right), but that&#39;s not to say I don&#39;t love Taking Back Sunday&#39;s record.

Nothing wrong with that. I like the music of alot of "trendy" bands. I loved the White Stripes new CD.


Emo predates most of the posters on this thread (myself included) and therefore hopefully should be able to recover from the dreadful blow they&#39;ll receive when Rolling Stone/Kerrang find something new to market.

Of course it will recover. It&#39;s too strong of a scene for it to be destroyed by current trends. Just like punk, skateboarding, and hip hop will recover once their current trendiness subsides.


Trust me, most genuine emo kids (as in the types who listen to bands not played on corporate radio) hate this current trend as much as you do.

Again, I agree. But in any subculture that is trendy at the moment, it is going to be hard to find ones who are genuine.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 27 2004, 03:57 PM
Nothing wrong with that. I like the music of alot of "trendy" bands. I loved the White Stripes new CD.
Then get off my fuckin case about me liking like two MTV "emo" bands.


But in any subculture that is trendy at the moment, it is going to be hard to find ones who are genuine.

In the emo scene, it&#39;s quite easy to work out based on their music taste. Most pre-2002 emo kids would prefer Moss Icon over Thursday.

[Pingu]

what some punk-bands think about emo ;)

a fragment of a song of Anti-Flag

hahahaha i&#39;ve been told emo songs are deep,
which translates into really weak&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
all they ever do is cry, did something get caught in their eyes?
i just can&#39;t understand it all, even i don&#39;t always bawl..
boohoohoo.. my girlfriend dumped me and i&#39;m really really hurt...
indie sux, hard-line sux, emo sux, you suck&#33;

:P

[Comrade Yars]

I love Emo myself... the typical stereotype as it were, is naturally "emo is whiney... if you like to cry... bla, this that and the other". Truth be told some can be incredibly whiney... however for the most part, they&#39;re not.

to name a few:

Yellowcard, Dashboard Confessional, Thursday, Thrice, Mest, Something Corporate... etc.

If anyone has made Emo music carry it&#39;s "whiney" appearance it would have to be Dashboard Confessional, however for the most part, it&#39;s actually quite enjoyable... particularly if you&#39;re into pop-punk&#39;ish music. Emo-Hardcore as well...

For anyone looking at giving Emo music a shot, particularly hardcore... check out "Cold Cash and Colder Hearts" By Thrice...

For anyone looking for the stereotypical whiney Emo music, check out "Have You Seen Jordan?" By Something Corporate... >.<...heh. However I might add Something Corporate has some excellent songs that aren&#39;t even remotely whiney as well.

*shrug* my 10 cents.

cheers.

Thrice - COLD CASH AND COLDER HEARTS

They are sick, They are poor
and they die by the thousands and we look away
They are wolves at the door
they are not going to move us or get in our way

Cause we don&#39;t have the time
Here at the top of the world
Yeah we&#39;re doin just fine
Here at the top of the world

We hold our own by keeping our hearts cold

Different god, darker skin
They are just not a burden that we like to bear
They are living in sin
Just throw out any reason for us not to care

Cause we&#39;re feeling alright
Here at the top of the world
Yeah we&#39;re doin just fine
Here at the top of the world

We&#39;ve learned that money matters most
So we keep our cards held close
Here at the top of the world

We hold our own be keeping our hearts cold
We learned what matters most so we keep our hearts cold

They are no one
They are nowhere
They are not our problem
Not worth saving
Nonexistent if we keep our hearts cold

They are no one
They are nowhere

[guerrillaradio]

I try to stay outta "emo" threads for the simple fact that some knucklehead will choose the shittest band in the world and call them "emo" cos of their haircuts or whatever. Dude, quit this fucking Mest shit and get on this: www.fourfa.com

Thank you.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Can somebody name a couple of "well-known" "Emo" bands so I can understand what type of music it is?

[guerrillaradio]

Most bands who are genuinely emo aren&#39;t really well known. Some would say Fugazi have a bit of emo in them at places though, and I guess early At the Drive-in is pretty tied to it as well.

In terms of what most people today would call emo, I guess there&#39;s bands like Thursday, Thrice, Taking Back Sunday etc.

[atlanticche]

so emo is music that pretty much i am not aware of in anyway, and its not really mainstream theres no real big bands about
but thanks i now feel so much more intelligent

[fallen camarade]

I don&#39;t really understand why everyone is against emo so much. It&#39;s really not anywhere near as bad as people make it sound. Of course I&#39;m talking about the whiny kind. The trendy Abercrombie guys with their acoustic guitars whining about how some girl, who was a stupid ditz anyway, treated him wrong. That side of emo is really ridiculous, and yes, is very aggrivating.

However, there are some bands who play on an emo sort of plane, but have very complex or abstract versions of it, or have added hardcore elements to it. These bands that have taken something annoying, and turned it into pure art are some of my favorite bands. Occasionaly lyrics are a little lacking in creativity, but for the most part, are also very abstract/complex poetry, and whether you appreciate art enough or not to write poetry, it is a skill, and those bands do it well. The two most noticeable, in my opinion, being Hopesfall and Alexisonfire. You guys should listen to those bands before you knock the whole genre. The "emo" you will hear on the radio is pretty lame, but some of it is decent, and there are hybrid bands who have taken the good parts of it, and made it into something good. Those bands are more along the "scremo" genre, or so it&#39;s being called now, but it&#39;s still basically the same thing. I highly suggest those two bands to anyone curious.

Alexisonfire-self titled album
Hopesfall- The Satellite Years
Hopesfall- No Wings to Speak of

[Comrade Yars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:30 PM
Most bands who are genuinely emo aren&#39;t really well known.
... Hmm, so how would one define a "genuinely emo" band?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

So for those of you who claim that I know nothing about Emo, I&#39;ll have you know that yesterday Thurday came here.
They kinda blow. They were no worse than I had expected
Afi was there also.
They were much worse than I expected.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by fallen [email protected] 3 2004, 04:52 PM
I don&#39;t really understand why everyone is against emo so much. It&#39;s really not anywhere near as bad as people make it sound. Of course I&#39;m talking about the whiny kind. The trendy Abercrombie guys with their acoustic guitars whining about how some girl, who was a stupid ditz anyway, treated him wrong. That side of emo is really ridiculous, and yes, is very aggrivating.

However, there are some bands who play on an emo sort of plane, but have very complex or abstract versions of it, or have added hardcore elements to it. These bands that have taken something annoying, and turned it into pure art are some of my favorite bands. Occasionaly lyrics are a little lacking in creativity, but for the most part, are also very abstract/complex poetry, and whether you appreciate art enough or not to write poetry, it is a skill, and those bands do it well. The two most noticeable, in my opinion, being Hopesfall and Alexisonfire. You guys should listen to those bands before you knock the whole genre. The "emo" you will hear on the radio is pretty lame, but some of it is decent, and there are hybrid bands who have taken the good parts of it, and made it into something good. Those bands are more along the "scremo" genre, or so it&#39;s being called now, but it&#39;s still basically the same thing. I highly suggest those two bands to anyone curious.

Alexisonfire-self titled album
Hopesfall- The Satellite Years
Hopesfall- No Wings to Speak of
Hopesfall are emo now?? Fuck man...I kinda know those guys. They aren&#39;t what I&#39;d call emo at all. Alexisonfire aren&#39;t bad though...but again, not what I&#39;d call emo.

[Comrade Yars]

Again, how you would define an EMO band guerillaradio? or a Genuine one for that matter... ?

[Dirty Commie]

I went to a concert last sunday and there were two emo-type bands there, and I can honstly say I enjoyed some of it. Most of it was bad whiny "I got dumped" shit, but some of it was good music. Sorry about what I said earlier, but I still don&#39;t think that it is very good, I am viewing it now on a band to band basis.

[mentalbunny]

Want some good emo? Listen to #1 Defender (http://www.thedefenderfightson.co.uk)&#33;&#33;&#33; lol. Seriously, it&#39;s good shit. The coolest stuff is all the comic-book references, gives it a different flavour.

[Hate Is Art]

FUGAZIII&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; EMOO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; NOOOOOOOOOO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

fugazi rule, genuine leftist buggers who are anti-capitilist, price their cd&#39;s lower, make their entrance fee&#39;s to gigs low, only play all ages show and reject corporate media. Very Good Band. I would call them hardcore punk, not emo.

ATDI, another good band, more experimental hard rock then emo though, their guitarist is cuban :D

[atlanticche]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 01:55 PM
Want some good emo? Listen to #1 Defender (http://www.thedefenderfightson.co.uk)&#33;&#33;&#33; lol. Seriously, it&#39;s good shit. The coolest stuff is all the comic-book references, gives it a different flavour.
wpw thats good

and now i know what emo is

i feel that i have reached a goal, damn now if only i had somewhere to go or something to do

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 5 2004, 05:06 PM
FUGAZIII&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; EMOO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; NOOOOOOOOOO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

fugazi rule, genuine leftist buggers who are anti-capitilist, price their cd&#39;s lower, make their entrance fee&#39;s to gigs low, only play all ages show and reject corporate media. Very Good Band. I would call them hardcore punk, not emo.
Ok then...emo is emotional hardcore. Hardcore was originally a spin-off of punk that has now evolved into something different (ie it&#39;s kept punk rock ethics whereas punk itself has sold itself to MTV...haha, you punks are jokers). Hence, yes, you&#39;re kinda right. So...all ages shows, low record prices and an anti-corporate outlook is essential to an emo band. To be more emo, Fugazi could have scratchy recordings released after they split and more pictures of typewriters, but hey, they&#39;re only partly emo haha. :D

As for emo not being "experimental", it originally started out as hardcore kids looking for variations on the hardcore sound, hence by definition it is experimental.

[mentalbunny]

Originally posted by atlanticche+Mar 5 2004, 07:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atlanticche @ Mar 5 2004, 07:39 PM)
[email protected] 4 2004, 01:55 PM
Want some good emo? Listen to #1 Defender (http://www.thedefenderfightson.co.uk)&#33;&#33;&#33; lol. Seriously, it&#39;s good shit. The coolest stuff is all the comic-book references, gives it a different flavour.
wpw thats good

and now i know what emo is

i feel that i have reached a goal, damn now if only i had somewhere to go or something to do [/b]
You really like it? Cool, I&#39;ll tell them&#33; Lol&#33;

[Retro]

guerrillaradio im here with you.

I&#39;ve been listening to emo for quite some time, but really i lisen to all types of music, but i&#39;ve always been a bit more emotional than mos of my peers so its a good escape for me to listen to. People don&#39;t understand the good ole bands before all the fun bands like thursday, dashboard, etc claimed to be emo...

I&#39;m really waiting for this trend to die down, basically every band is jumping on the emo band wagon these days, just to sell a few extra cds.

Down here all the rednecks and uptight prep kids listen to emo. It really makes me sick sometimes, but im in it for the music, even though everyone makes it a huge fashion trend. In fact, in this great capitalistic country, everything is a fashion trend, we are what we wear...

Maybe once we get rid of this emphasis on monetary things, clothes, etc...We can actually judge people based on the assholes the really are,etc. :D