Why have their not been revolutionary situations in...

[condor]

Why have their not been revolutionary situations in Canada, America, Israel, Australia and New Zealand throughout history?

[Guardia Rossa]

American revolution didn't existed? It was a Bourgeois revolution, but nevertheless a successful revolutionary movement.
Israel was founded and colonized at first by socialists. The first jews in Palestine were communists, they lived in their autonomous utopian cities. Without them, no Israel as we know it.
The other three were population colonization systems that had a strong and valued proletariat, and then (Probably as a result?) a nice form of social-democracy. "No need" for revolution, see?

You have no idea of what the fuck you are talking about. Your knowledge of history is null and your futile attempts to prove that communism is impossible don't work, because you can't back them up with facts.

You are a stupid reactionary that needs a ban.

[Guardia Rossa]

The "Geração Condoreira" (Condor Generation) were the revolutionary bourgeois intelligentsia of absolutist Portugal and Brazil.
The Condor was the symbol of freedom (Quite like the Hawk)

In South America there was the "Operation Condor", when the US-supported and US-dependent dictatorships agreed to act in unison to destroy the revolutionary left. To this day it means the death of thousands.

Whether you know this is unclear to you, I didn't had the chance to analyse your cultural profile. But I wouldn't doubt you don't know given your low or nonexistent knowledge of history.

But if your objective is to pay homage to this massacre by destroying the ideas of marxism, I must assure you that the most you can do is make some of us laugh.

[Comrade #138672]

You are a stupid reactionary that needs a ban.Not sure about that. He may be a troll. It is also possible that he/she is simply confused. But in that case he/she must put more effort into asking proper questions instead of creating threads with simple one-liners all the time.

[Guardia Rossa]

Not sure about that. He may be a troll. It is also possible that he is simply confused. But in that case he/she must put more effort into asking proper questions instead of creating threads with simple one-liners all the time.

Read his "critique of marxism by a communist"
He is not confused. I think the same as you, but I already identify him as a idealist reactionary.

And if he is really confused, he should read a fucking book by Marx or Engels instead of criticizing all the strawmans I ever heard of.

[Comrade #138672]

Read his "critique of marxism by a communist"
He is not confused. I think the same as you, but I already identify him as a idealist reactionary.I have not read everything yet (because I get quickly bored with these misguided "critiques"), but to me it seems more like idealist nonsense than truly reactionary.


And if he is really confused, he should read a fucking book by Marx or Engels instead of criticizing all the strawmans I ever heard of.I agree. But to be fair, it is possible that he/she read some of it and has interpreted it in the wrong way. I own a Das Kapital book with an introduction written by Serge L. Levitsky. He has certainly read Marx, but somehow managed to completely misunderstand Marx and write about it (e.g., he thought that Das Kapital was making a moralistic case rather than an economic one).

[#FF0000]

You are a stupid reactionary that needs a ban.

Uh you need to chill

[olahsenor]

Because they give barely sustaining welfare in mere pittance. Under socialism, everything is provided for: leisure, entertainment (ballet and opera), housing (6% of salary rents), food and dachas. Can I afford a dacha? No way, Jose!

[#FF0000]

Why have their not been revolutionary situations in Canada, America, Israel, Australia and New Zealand throughout history?

I can only speak to American history here, but I think there have been in US history, depending on which of Lenin's ("revolutionary situation" is a concept of Lenin's, not Marx's) definitions you use.

If you're talking about a political situation in which the status quo absolutely could not continue, I don't think there was one, no. However, if you're talking about a period of high working class militancy and revolutionary activity, then America certainly had that throughout the early 20th century, when sabotage was ubiquitous in virtually all industries and strikes were common occurrences.

It didn't become more than it was, however, thanks to handy political repression of the IWW, the SPUSA sabotaging itself by kicking out the "Haywood element" of revolutionary syndicalists (party membership dropped, the party lost all elected positions, and never recovered) and the CPUSA was embroiled in factional infighting and totally ineffective.

[Sewer Socialist]

I can only speak to American history here, but I think there have been in US history, depending on which of Lenin's ("revolutionary situation" is a concept of Lenin's, not Marx's) definitions you use.

If you're talking about a political situation in which the status quo absolutely could not continue, I don't think there was one, no. However, if you're talking about a period of high working class militancy and revolutionary activity, then America certainly had that throughout the early 20th century, when sabotage was ubiquitous in virtually all industries and strikes were common occurrences.

It didn't become more than it was, however, thanks to handy political repression of the IWW, the SPUSA sabotaging itself by kicking out the "Haywood element" of revolutionary syndicalists (party membership dropped, the party lost all elected positions, and never recovered) and the CPUSA was embroiled in factional infighting and totally ineffective.

I think the post-WWII union laws also ensured the unions forgot about any sort of solidarity or independent worker power and became interested only in the immediate interests of the union and the interests of workers only as workers, i.e. a subject of the bourgeoisie.

There is a marked difference in the sorts of actions unions engaged in before and after the war, but the different economic situation of depression vs. rebuilding Europe also played a role.

[Comrade Jacob]

There have been revolutionary situations in those countries. Very few proletarian revolutionary situations in a long time though.

[suneo]

Every country has experienced a revolution of the people. Except for the newly formed state lately