armed KKE hitsquad evicts squatted refugee self-organisation space

[Sasha]

Greece: Members of Greek Communist Party raid squatted building housing refugees in Mytilene (https://insurrectionnewsworldwide.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/greece-members-of-greek-communist-party-raid-squatted-building-housing-refugees-in-mytilene/)

Posted on November 11, 2015 (https://insurrectionnewsworldwide.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/greece-members-of-greek-communist-party-raid-squatted-building-housing-refugees-in-mytilene/) by Insurrection News (https://insurrectionnewsworldwide.wordpress.com/author/brisbaneinsurrection/)
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11.11.15: Approximately 20 members of the KKE (Greek Communist Party) wearing helmets and armed with metal bats have raided a former labor hire center in Mytilene that had been occupied by anti-authoritarians and refugees. The center had been operating as a self-managed space for refugees. The space was being entirely run by the refugees and had been a space to provide support for refugees and immigrants as well as organize demonstrations and solidarity actions.
The KKE are claiming ‘ownership’ of the building and are alleging that ‘severe damage’ has been caused by the occupation. The KKE are also claiming that refugees are still welcome to stay at the building however all the refugees fled during the violent raid and the building is now being guarded by KKE members. According to several sources the building was in fact originally owned by OAED (Greek Manpower Employment Organization), a labor hire company.
The KKE are despised by anarchists and anti-authoritarians in Greece for their Stalinist organizing practices and their collaboration with the previous government.
(article compiled from various Greek-language sources by Insurrection News)


source: https://insurrectionnewsworldwide.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/greece-members-of-greek-communist-party-raid-squatted-building-housing-refugees-in-mytilene/

[The Feral Underclass]

Fucking pricks. Unbelievable. Do we really think this was just about the property?

[Sasha]

scabs..

KKE, the leftwing of MAT

[Armchair Partisan]

The KKE are really doing everything they can to seem as disgraceful and hypocritical as possible... Really, the KKE just derives its legitimacy from its "patriotic" resistance against the junta, not so much from being a representative of working class interests, and for that reason alone, it's not that surprising how they act.

[Comrade Jacob]

But is it the KKE's building?

[Comrade Jacob]

I admit it doesn't sound good. Has the KKE released an official statement?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

The KKE being the KKE. They make the unbelievable, believable, and are a perfect example of why obsession on 'the party line'/political programme have historically ended up in dictatorship and killing one's own.

[BIXX]

But is it the KKE's building?

What does that matter?


I admit it doesn't sound good.

That's cause it really isn't.

[Lord Testicles]

It's things like this that make you look back at RAAN's declaration of:

"We will hunt you [Leninists] at your conferences, burn your newspapers, and beat you in the streets." (http://lefthost.info/www.redanarchist.org/propaganda/flyers/fucklenin.pdf)

and think, "RAAN wasn't so bad."

[bricolage]

When your communist party is further to the right than Giggs and Neville (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/20/giggs-and-neville-work-with-squatters-to-make-occupied-hotel-safe) you know they've got nothing to often.

[Guardia Rossa]

Saying leninism is bad and authoritarian because some nationalists take up it's name makes as much sense as saying anarchism is racist because of Bakunin and Michael Schmidt.

I can't find one socialist trend that never had it's name corrupted at least once by right-wingers or by acting as right-wingers do.
I do admit anarchism is more... impermeable than other socialist factions to right-wingers, but that's probably because of the characteristics of anachism itself and how it organizes, than to the morality and superiority of it's adherents.

[BIXX]

Saying leninism is bad and authoritarian because some nationalists take up it's name makes as much sense as saying anarchism is racist because of Bakunin and Michael Schmidt.

I can't find one socialist trend that never had it's name corrupted at least once by right-wingers or by acting as right-wingers do.
I do admit anarchism is more... impermeable than other socialist factions to right-wingers, but that's probably because of the characteristics of anachism itself and how it organizes, than to the morality and superiority of it's adherents.

I think you just haven't known enough anarchists

[Sewer Socialist]

So when refugees are squatting / occupying the building of some shit temp agency, the KKE takes the side of the capitalists, acting as their armed thugs? How the fuck did twenty people, all ostensibly communists, decide this was the proper action to take?

[Lord Testicles]

So when refugees are squatting / occupying the building of some shit temp agency, the KKE takes the side of the capitalists, acting as their armed thugs? How the fuck did twenty people, all ostensibly communists, decide this was the proper action to take?

Fuck knows, I've been hoping that some KKE supporter will jump in and try to justify this shit. As it stands the only knowledge that we can take away from this is that the KKE members involved deserve and need a stern kicking.

[Guardia Rossa]

I think you just haven't known enough anarchists

Believe me, in southern Brazil Marx is just as acknowledged as Allah or Buda.
If there is a left here, it is either reformist/revisionist or anarchist or post-modern (Or a mixture of these three trends)

The only class that knows some of Marx and perhaps is Marxist is the Intelligentsia, however even their Marxism is... at best a revisionist, center-left Marxism.

And I aspire to take position in it (I want to be a teacher/professor) so I spend a lot of time with them, but my Marxism predates this, instead, it pushed me towards History, not the contrary.

And in my school properly, all the School Gremium (A form of student's union) is composed of Post-modern anarchists

[Zoop]

Statists acting like statists. What a surprise.

[Tim Cornelis]

So when refugees are squatting / occupying the building of some shit temp agency, the KKE takes the side of the capitalists, acting as their armed thugs? How the fuck did twenty people, all ostensibly communists, decide this was the proper action to take?

They didn't act on the side of the capitalists. They didn't evict the squatters so that the temp agency could regain control over their private property, so to say they sided with the capitalists for is not accurate. The reason why they did it? I don't know, but presumably it has to do with wanting a monopoly on subversive activity, something like that.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

Didn't we have someone here who was a loyal KKE apologist?

[Ele'ill]

Delenda Carthago ^

[Sasha]

They didn't act on the side of the capitalists. They didn't evict the squatters so that the temp agency could regain control over their private property, so to say they sided with the capitalists for is not accurate. The reason why they did it? I don't know, but presumably it has to do with wanting a monopoly on subversive activity, something like that.

Apperently the buiding was left empty for a long time, the KKE used to use it to store somecampain materials, speakers, leaflets etc so they where of the opinion they had first dibs or something...

So yeah, pretty sure this was an sectarian attack to make anti-authoritarian organizing more dificult in town of which the refugees had to suffer the worst consequences...

[johnbrown]

The KKE probably wanted their equipment and materials back, since they had a general strike to lead the next day.

[Futility Personified]

So was the hire agency some sort of KKE affiliate? Do the KKE have any claim to the place? I'm just trying to get my head around this. They have repeatedly acted foolishly, by any political measure, but this is just beyond belief.

[BIXX]

Why is everyone surprised tbh

They've done such insane shit I'm the past I don't see how this is any different

[Comrade Jacob]

So when refugees are squatting / occupying the building of some shit temp agency, the KKE takes the side of the capitalists, acting as their armed thugs? How the fuck did twenty people, all ostensibly communists, decide this was the proper action to take?

It is disgraceful but was it ordered by the KKE or did they do it on their own? That hasn't been made clear.

[BIXX]

Believe me, in southern Brazil Marx is just as acknowledged as Allah or Buda.
If there is a left here, it is either reformist/revisionist or anarchist or post-modern (Or a mixture of these three trends)

The only class that knows some of Marx and perhaps is Marxist is the Intelligentsia, however even their Marxism is... at best a revisionist, center-left Marxism.

And I aspire to take position in it (I want to be a teacher/professor) so I spend a lot of time with them, but my Marxism predates this, instead, it pushed me towards History, not the contrary.

And in my school properly, all the School Gremium (A form of student's union) is composed of Post-modern anarchists

Yeah you still don't know enough anarchists.

[Comrade #138672]

It's things like this that make you look back at RAAN's declaration of:

"We will hunt you [Leninists] at your conferences, burn your newspapers, and beat you in the streets." (http://lefthost.info/www.redanarchist.org/propaganda/flyers/fucklenin.pdf)

and think, "RAAN wasn't so bad."Wow. That's just fucked up. I guess beating people up for selling newspapers isn't authoritarian or anything.

[Lord Testicles]

Wow. That's just fucked up. I guess beating people up for selling newspapers isn't authoritarian or anything.

Nobody is suggesting that anyone beat anyone up for selling newspapers. They are suggesting beating people up for the ideologies they hold and propagate. If that's authoritarian then so be it. Next thing you'll be telling us is that smacking the living shit of fascists is authoritarian as you clutch your pearls.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

There is a term for that: gangsterism. Some ostensible Leninists like Gerry Healy were quite successful practitioners. And it's fundamentally an anti-worker position: simply beat up anyone who dares to question the great leader (or Our Committee), and your shitty anti-worker politics will never be exposed. That's the idea, anyway. Except you can't beat up everyone, not even with an organisation as large as the SLL/WRP. And eventually people are going to get fed up with you.

Not that RAAN ever beat up anyone, of course, the most they could do is try to make people upset on the Internet.

[Lord Testicles]

Except you can't beat up everyone,

Not with that attitude you can't.

[Comrade #138672]

Nobody is suggesting that anyone beat anyone up for selling newspapers. They are suggesting beating people up for the ideologies they hold and propagate. If that's authoritarian then so be it. Next thing you'll be telling us is that smacking the living shit of fascists is authoritarian as you clutch your pearls.So Leninists are like fascists then? And does this mean you approve of beating up Leninists?

[Lord Testicles]

So Leninists are like fascists then?

No, I don't believe I said that.


And does this mean you approve of beating up Leninists?

Sometimes. These particular members of the KKE deserve a couple of months in intensive care for example.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

You know, this thread is really an eye-opener.

When the SYRIZA popular front entered into a coalition with LAOS-lite ANEL, running concentration camps for refugees and enforcing an austerity agreement that even the IMF found excessive, what was the response on RL? Pretty much nothing, apart from us "sectarians", unless you count Rafiq's insane "my spirit headmate is triggered by the fact that you don't read Žižek, philistine" rants in support of SYRIZA.

When the KKE, a mass reformist party having the allegiance of much of the Greek proletariat, has a dispute concerning the use of a building and drives the other party away (which they shouldn't have done *), people are calling for KKE members to be put into intensive care.

* From our perspective, at least, as we don't think socialists, even reformists, and even petit-bourgeois anarkids, can talk to each other in the language of bricks and baseball bats. But if they can, what's the problem, then? It seems you're complaining simply because the KKE won the dispute.

[Lord Testicles]

When the SYRIZA popular front entered into a coalition with LAOS-lite ANEL, running concentration camps for refugees and enforcing an austerity agreement that even the IMF found excessive

Who's saying that those people shouldn't inhabit a shallow grave?


When the KKE, a mass reformist party having the allegiance of much of the Greek proletariat, has a dispute concerning the use of a building and drives the other party away (which they shouldn't have done *), people are calling for KKE members to be put into intensive care.

So?


From our perspective, at least, as we don't think socialists, even reformists, and even petit-bourgeois anarkids, can talk to each other in the language of bricks and baseball bats. But if they can, what's the problem, then? It seems you're complaining simply because the KKE won the dispute.

Socialists shouldn't take to each other in the language of baseball bats, socialists should put away their petty ideological differences when it comes to showing some solidarity with refugees, which is exactly why the KKE deserves a good fucking kicking.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

When the KKE, a mass reformist party having the allegiance of much of the Greek proletariat, has a dispute concerning the use of a building and drives the other party away (which they shouldn't have done *), people are calling for KKE members to be put into intensive care.

* From our perspective, at least, as we don't think socialists, even reformists, and even petit-bourgeois anarkids, can talk to each other in the language of bricks and baseball bats. But if they can, what's the problem, then? It seems you're complaining simply because the KKE won the dispute.

Sure, but if I'm reading the story correctly, it was the KKE which was ACTUALLY threatening people with physical violence, as opposed to hotheads on revleft who were just blowing hot air on the internet. In that sense, it is the KKE who should be held to account for behaving like this, not Revleft's keyboard kommandos.

[Emmett Till]

Sure, but if I'm reading the story correctly, it was the KKE which was ACTUALLY threatening people with physical violence, as opposed to hotheads on revleft who were just blowing hot air on the internet. In that sense, it is the KKE who should be held to account for behaving like this, not Revleft's keyboard kommandos.

Yes, but we are here on Revleft not in Greece, so here it's only the keyboard kommandos who can be held to account.

In Greece, the KKE and the anarchists have been at war with each other for a decade, and which have committed the worst atrocities is hard to tell.

Yes, the way the KKE handled this was disgraceful, but don't be under any illusions that the Greek anarchists are any better.

[Vee]

that is horrible. whatever their reasons the way they handled it was disgusting and reactionary.