US War with Syrian Desert

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Apparently according to Russian sources (http://m.sputniknews.com/russia/20151002/1027917146/us-syria-bombings-pushkov.html), America has literally just been bombing the fuck out of the Syrian desert. Thoughts?

[Aslan]

One thing that isn't related: Hasn't Trudreau withdrawn support from ISIL?

One hypothesis that I have is that they want to destroy any oil industry in Syria.

Whats for certain is that this most certainly is a proxy war between the North Atlantic Trade Organization (NATO) and Russia/Iran/Hezbollah/Houthi. However I am just dismiss this accusation aside as a Russian attempt for ''payback'' to the US for their constant calling out of Russia even though they are more similar to them than they'd admit. I don't think america is just bombing the desert for no reason, so either what I was thinking or the Russians are bullshitting us. what is important to remember is that the US has in fact hit ISIL, but at the cost of innocents. America is always going to want more oil. So in their logic they want to crush Assad ( a rogue arab ba'thist leader who's anti american), and put a weak pro-american government in power in his stead.

Wait, doesn't that sound familiar?!

Now that Its November 2015 we can see that ISIL is pushed back into the far corners of Iraq. This is worrying Moscow. The fact that ISIL a Sunni militant group is still active in Syria is also scaring Iran. Moscow and Tehran both are in the game for the same reason; Kick ISIL/America out. They have the support of other nations like China, North Korea, and Iraq. Their governments both despise America and don't want history to repeat itself. This further Implicates that a strong Tran-Asian bloc (ie Shanghai) will strengthen to the point of actually being a threat to NATO. With the recent announcements of India and Pakistan joining SCO as further evidence.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I think it bares mentioning NATO or rather, the US has been funding, training and supporting Islamic militants, including ISIS. I could see this as protecting the virtual monopoly other gulf states have over oil like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and other Western allies. But I mean, the Robert Ripley level of weirdness surrounding this is just astounding. This is like the most blatant shit ever. I mean how the fuck does ISIS get a whole fucking fleet of new Toyata trucks?! Like Jesus!

[Aslan]

Remember a story a few years ago about ISIL robbing a bank of hundreds of millions in Baghdad? Couple that with ISIL taking control of oil refineries in captured territory and making money by selling oil in the black market. There are also a few rogue Saudi/Bahrain princes who funded ISIL. Also something people forget is that the reason ISIL has done such a great job in conquering Iraq/Syria is that their upper military cabinet is made out of Secular/Ambitious Baathist Generals. These generals are the main reason ISIL has conquered what they've conquered. Now they're losing ground in Iraq and the few investors to this group now see it as a lost cause.

[WideAwake]

(These people (Hillary, John Kerry, Obama etc) are crazy, and they all talk in an arrogant way, they have the same physical gestures, the same arrogant speech and body language. Like if they were on steroids or something)

Yeah, and on top of violating Syria. the Pentagon is now trying to harass Russia and China. Take a look at this article about it:

The Pentagon Push for build-up in Europe against Russia.

By Patrick Martin
10 November 2015

Source of Article: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/10/nato-n10.html

Top Pentagon generals are backing a plan for stepped-up rotation of American ground troops to Europe that would increase by 50 percent the US forces available to NATO in the event of a confrontation with Russia. The plan was outlined at a defense forum at the Reagan Library in southern California that Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter addressed on Saturday afternoon, putting Russia and China on notice regarding the build-up of US military forces in Eastern Europe and the South China Sea. In comments reported by the Wall Street Journal Monday, both General Philip Breedlove, NATO commander, and General Mark Milley, the Army chief of staff, confirmed the planned troop increase. The US military has two brigades on permanent station in Europe, totaling 7,000 soldiers, and the rotation plan would add a third brigade.

According to the Journal, General Milley proposed an even bigger build-up, saying he would like to add even more brigades to those rotating to Europe as well as “attack helicopter units, engineering teams and artillery brigades.” This would mean the effective doubling or tripling of the size of the US force deployed to Europe and available for NATO. Many details of the rotation plan remain to be worked out, but Breedlove said decisions would be made “in the next couple of months.” Milley told the Journal that the Army was changing its training methods to deal with what the Pentagon terms “hybrid war,” the combination of regular troops and irregular forces, as in the Russian operation in Crimea. The Obama administration and the European Union have raised the alarm of alleged “hybrid war,” supposedly a new technique for seizing territory, to distract attention from their own aggressive intervention to overthrow the elected Yanukovych government in Ukraine in 2014 and replace it with a pro-NATO puppet regime.

The coup in Kiev, spearheaded by neo-fascist groups backed by the US State Department and CIA, sparked both the Russian intervention in Crimea—whose population is majority Russian and voted overwhelmingly to break with Ukraine—and the rebellion by pro-Russian separatists in the eastern Ukraine regions of Donetsk and Lugansk. Both General Breedlove and General Milley have spoken out in the last few weeks to warn that too much attention is being paid to the new Russian operation in Syria, in support of the government of President Bashar al-Assad, at the expense of the confrontation between NATO and Russia over Ukraine and more generally along the whole extent of Russia’s western border. “I fear that as we are dealing with Russia in Syria, the eyes are off the Donbas,” Breedlove told the Journal. “Why would we want our first negotiations on how we cooperate to be in Syria and then possibly allow the eyes of the world to accept what happened in Crimea?” Milley chimed in, “Aggression left unanswered is likely to lead to more aggression.”

At a press briefing the week before at the Pentagon, General Breedlove hailed the results of a series of military exercises, involving ground troops, naval warship and fighter jets, conducted under NATO auspices this year. The latest was Operation Trident Juncture, the largest NATO war game in 13 years. He also cited ongoing US involvement in training troops and national guardsmen in Ukraine, which is not a NATO member. He noted that the Ukrainian soldiers “have been on the front line, under fire by the Russians every day.” He continued, “And so, they have a great experience of what it is like to be hit by modern artillery,” which they would be able to share with their US trainers. The two generals also disclosed that the Pentagon plans more training exercises to rehearse the transfer of much larger forces across the Atlantic Ocean against Russian efforts to interfere or disrupt. Such a scenario would follow the outbreak of open warfare on the border between Russia and the eastern European countries that are members of NATO, including Poland and the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

Breedlove said the Pentagon anticipated obstacles both in airlifting troops from the continental United States to Europe and transporting equipment and supplies by sea. “The Russian navy is not going to stand by and watch us reinforce Europe,” he told the Journal. “For two decades we haven’t thought about the fact that we are going to have to fight our way across the Atlantic.”
Milley cited huge Cold War military exercises such as Reforger, which simulated the transport of tens of thousands of US troops across the Atlantic. “We don’t need exercises as big as Reforger anymore,” he told the Journal. “But the concept of Reforger, where you exercise contingency forces … that is exactly what we should be doing.” The generals called attention to the supposed Russian expansion of what the Pentagon calls anti-access, area denial forces—essentially defensive weapons such as air defense systems and anti-ship missiles—at Russian bases in Belarus and Kaliningrad. The latter is actually Russian territory, an enclave bordered by Poland, Lithuania and the Baltic Sea, likely the first target of any NATO military operation in the region.

While the Pentagon complains about Russia’s military moves on its own territory, or at one of the handful of bases outside Russia, most of them in the territory of the former Soviet Union, the United States maintains a gargantuan worldwide empire of between 700 and 800 military bases. All other countries in the world combined have less than 30 such bases, according to one recent study. That disparity gives a much better picture of which country is the global aggressor. The Wall Street Journal report noted the disparity between the language used by the generals and Defense Secretary Carter and the less strident rhetoric from the White House and the European Union: “While officials have said the White House in recent weeks has asked some military leaders to temper some comments, the administration is pursuing a strategy that allows Pentagon officials the latitude to talk about bolstering defenses, while State Department diplomats try to engage with Moscow.” There is certainly precedent for such a cynical division of labor. However, it is likely that the Pentagon is driving the discussion rather than simply playing its assigned role. The turn by US imperialism towards war, particularly with major potential adversaries such as Russia and China, inevitably strengthens tendencies towards the centralization of power in the hands of the military-intelligence apparatus.











Apparently according to Russian sources (http://m.sputniknews.com/russia/20151002/1027917146/us-syria-bombings-pushkov.html), America has literally just been bombing the fuck out of the Syrian desert. Thoughts?

[Sasha]

And russia has been bombing the shit out of everyone but ISIS as Assad and ISIS have basically a non agression pact going on until the rest of the opposition is defeated, not much different than the one between turkey and isis vis a vis the kurds..

[khad]

The Syrian military and its allies have been by far the biggest killers of ISIS in 2015, and it isn't even close.

And the Syrian Army just deloused several hundred ISIS terrorists on the way to Kuweires airbase, in addition to cleaning out another 100+ in the clashes over the M5 highway south of Aleppo. Another 150 ISIS jihadis were killed in the ISIS storming of Palmyra, and an equal number fending off the SAA's counterattacks in the following months. 50-100 ISIS are also killed every couple of weeks by General Zahreddine's 104th in repeated failed invasions of Deir Ezzor, which alone probably accounts for more than 1500 ISIS dead since last November.

Every time ISIS attacked, this has happened:
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The city has been cut off in the heart of ISIS-land. They've never had a break from the the Islamic State's assaults. Yet it seems to be the hot zone no one in the western media wants to talk about.

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[khad]

Yeah but but the Syrian army never fights ISIS :rolleyes:

Just a smattering of reports from Deir Ezzor over the past year:

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/2feqfp/situation_in_deir_ezzorothers_as_told_by_some_saa/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/2j55ap/saa_captures_isis_base_in_deir_ezzor_scores_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2ojlkk/syrian_troops_have_repelled_an_attack_by/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/28htw0/head_of_smc_councilfsa_leadership_in_deir_ezzor/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/35a8ec/isis_launches_a_major_offensive_at_both_deir/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/35hh3p/clashes_in_deirezzor_saa_vs_isis_and_hasakah_ypg/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/363r8a/general_zahreddine_arrives_justin_time_to_repel/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/389j9s/saa_seem_to_be_advancing_in_deir_ezzor_city_proper/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3a80oj/according_to_deirezzor24_more_than_90_of_isis/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3d9ogy/isis_launches_first_attack_on_the_deir_ezzor/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3fulzz/deir_ez_zor_the_leader_of_the_shaytat_tribe/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3htxg4/syrian_army_lifts_the_isis_siege_on_the_aljourah/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3k0kaf/syrian_army_captures_the_altayyim_oil_fields_amid/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3k9i0k/saa_repels_huge_is_attack_on_deir_ezzor_military/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3m8bdz/isis_faces_serious_threat_in_deir_ezzor_syrian/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3qbyb5/proassad_pages_confirm_the_death_of_major_general/
https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/3nbul3/photo_ndf_along_with_bodies_of_isis_after_intense/

One of the few articles in the western media, from December 2014. You can see the author hoping and praying for an Islamic State takeover:
https://medium.com/the-eastern-project/the-fight-for-the-deir-ezzor-airport-360e3236d3

[khad]

When airstrikes are limited to less than 10 a day with no followups, they become pretty easy to figure out. When you hear coalition planes in the air, just clear out the immediate vicinity of the OBVIOUS TARGET and let precision guided magic do its work.

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No ISIS terrorists were injured in the making of this film.

[Comrade Jacob]

And russia has been bombing the shit out of everyone but ISIS as Assad and ISIS have basically a non agression pact going on until the rest of the opposition is defeated, not much different than the one between turkey and isis vis a vis the kurds..

The actual fuck are you talking about?

[khad]

Elijah Magnier with latest updates from Kuweires. Final body count could be in the 1000s before ISIS breaks.

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
Military supply continue rushing into #Kuweires airport 2support forces inside. Remember #ISIs still around. A whole was open south+

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
#ISIS is still fighting on the North of #Kuweires trying to break in regardless d presence of new forces supporting the long besieged ones+

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
#Russia/n AF is bombarding #ISIS position north of #Kuweires airport since this morning. #ISIS can still shell the airport perimeter. #Syria

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
The size of #Kuweires airport is around 15km and was protected since two and a half year by around 1000 #SAA officers and soldiers +

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
The corridor open to #Kuweires airport is around 3km wide. #Damascus confirmed that the military base will be kept and not evacuated.

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
Sources on the ground telling me that #Kuweires will be used as a military base for the Air Force to hit "rebels fighters" E & N #Aleppo .

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
On the ground of #Kuweires airport, many #ISIS bodies are scattered showing #ISIS didn't pull out or tried to retrieve. Many foreigners.

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
"Rebels Fighters" (#ISIS) did previously occupy a part of the airport building south of #Kuweires before being bombed by the Air Force.+

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
The military operation around #Kuweires is still ongoing in part (north) of the airport. The road taken to reach #Kuweires is from Sfeyra +

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
The number of "Rebels Fighters" killed on the road from #Sfeira to #Kuweires is uncountable. #ISIS come to fight and die not to retreat.

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
Just to be clear: #Kweires mil Airpot can't be used unless a large perimeter beyond the airport is secured, which is not the case any soon.

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
Already inside Kuweiress. Next step/attack is the energy factory near by @PoliSecurity

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
Large part of the runway is still ok. @Zarathoustra96

Elijah J. Magnier [email protected] 6h6 hours ago
He was at Kuweires Airport in person this morning @nabit70THEY COME TO DIE FOR THEIR NON-AGGRESSION PACT!

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Khad - The Syrian military has obviously killed a lot of ISIS fighters, but don't you think that their kill claims might be a little exaggerated? Are these casualty figures backed up? I don't think governments are generally a credible source of information regarding the success of military action. From overly rosy American reports about Vietnam to Baghdad Bob, recent wars have born this out.


The actual fuck are you talking about?

I think he's saying that Leftists shouldn't be critical of American imperialism without also recognizing that other powers involved in Syria must be critiqued too.

[khad]

Khad - The Syrian military has obviously killed a lot of ISIS fighters, but don't you think that their kill claims might be a little exaggerated? Are these casualty figures backed up? I don't think governments are generally a credible source of information regarding the success of military action. From overly rosy American reports about Vietnam to Baghdad Bob, recent wars have born this out.
I'm actually being conservative. If you go by field reports from Deir Ezzor from the past 2 weeks you find a figure with 300+ ISIS killed, based on what the soldiers of the garrison report over social media.

Btw, this is the same methodology that the so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights uses in coming up with their figures.

But let me give you the benefit of the doubt and credit your intelligence in doubting any figure presented by any government, organization, or individual and discuss some operational circumstances.

Deir Ezzor city is attacked several times every month, each time (let's be as conservative as possible) resulting in a failed assault and 10-30 dead ISIS guys. This and almost daily bombing raids on Islamic State positions around the city. If you assume a VERY conservative 100 killed per month (let's just say 70 killed in assaults and 30 killed by bombs) in the 15 months since last July, 1500 ISIS killed should be a baseline minimum estimate. The actual number is in all likelihood significantly higher. The fact that they keep trying, month after month, shows how much cannon fodder they can still mobilize.

On the Aleppo front, the number of jihadists killed is so significant that the entire region seems to be in a state of disruption. Nearly all of the southern Aleppo countryside is now under SAA control (including the main highway that ISIS threatened). 4 other villages and the thermal plant near the airbase have fallen under SAA control in the last 48 hours. This area, the al-Bab/Manbij region, is the most defended region of the Islamic State, with more fighters even than the units laying siege to Deir Ezzor. The Tiger forces-regarded as one of the best in the Syrian army-were engaged in continuous combat for a month to carve out this path to Kuweires base, and the latest reports indicate (from the SOHR no less) that hundreds of ISIS fighters are streaming in to reinforce East Aleppo from Raqqa. (http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/11/more-than-40-is-vehicles-go-from-al-raqqa-to-aleppo/) Given the decentralized nature of ISIS military command, a redeployment of this magnitude while Raqqa is theoretically under the threat of a much touted US-backed YPG offensive (http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syrian-arab-kurd-forces-prepare-offensive-islamic-state-capital-23702687) is a dead giveaway as to what the Islamic State actually considers its most pressing priority and where it is suffering the greatest losses.