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Communist Mutant From Outer Space
9th November 2015, 19:47
Is there such a thing as "Syndicalist Communism"? I'm not quite sure whether or not the two ideologies could combine, but seeing as Anarcho-Communism exists I would like to inquire further here. If it does exist, what does it entail (as in, what parts of the two ideologies overlap; what is the product) and if it doesn't then what it the closest thing to what I have described (i.e. a combination of Syndicalism and Communism).

#FF0000
9th November 2015, 20:37
I think that most "revolutionary syndicalists" and anarcho-syndicalists would say that communism is the ultimate goal of syndicalism, which itself is more a means to that end.

Aslan
9th November 2015, 22:29
It gets a little complicated but the main differences in Syndicalism and Communism is that Syndicalism is the best way to have a democratic workplace that doesn't overburden the socialist transition state. Syndicates are intended to work together with the government to trade their products. The main difference though is that these workplaces aren't driven by a capitalistic work motive.
This doesn't mean they are exclusive though. In my opinion I'd say that syndicalism is just another stage in transitioning towards communism as It gets the proletarians in a transitional phase between the profit of capitalism and the complete productive independence of Communism.

Capitalism-Social democracy- syndicalism-Socialism-Late Stage socialism-Communism.

RedKobra
9th November 2015, 22:37
I'm quite inspired by the Syndicalist industrial strategy. I think working class political consciousness begins and ends at the doors of the factory/warehouse. The power of the workers is, as Tony Cliff was want to say, in the workplace. Where I part company with the syndicalists is in their refusal to have a political strategy for seizing political power. The two must be combined. You bring the Capitalists to their knees with your industrial militancy but once you've got them there you must have a plan to remove them and replace them with workers.

#FF0000
10th November 2015, 00:52
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Well, to be honest I think that's mostly your own unique take on syndicalism. I think most other syndicalists would disagree with your conception of things pretty strongly.

Aslan
10th November 2015, 01:51
No problem, I'm talking about syndicalism as in a loose confederation of direct democracies and democratic workplaces. The reason I don't subscribe with anarcho-syndicalism is because of my disagreements with anarchism.

ckaihatsu
10th November 2015, 03:06
[7] Syndicalism-Socialism-Communism Transition Diagram

http://s6.postimg.org/z6qrnuzn5/7_Syndicalism_Socialism_Communism_Transiti.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/jy0ua35yl/full/)