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Die Neue Zeit
7th November 2015, 04:07
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/15/leftwing-evangelical-christianity-corbyn



Corbyn’s survival requires a sustained grassroots movement. I share none of its core beliefs, but evangelism shows me how this might best be done

Hostile colleagues, a furious press, an elite determined to destroy him and everything he stands for: Jeremy Corbyn cannot hope to survive by following the traditional path to power. Labour can no longer operate only – or even mostly - from the centre. Its electoral hopes now grow from the grassroots movements that raised him to his improbable position. It is not up to “them” any more. Now it’s up to us.

This is a new politics, of the kind that has proved effective in Scotland, but is so far untested in elections south of the border. Success now relies not on the clapped-out institutions of a post-democratic state, or on the bloodless calculations of machine-made strategists, but on volatile, uncontainable mass movements. The new politics are thrilling, inspiring and brimming with hope, but not without their problems.

The trajectory of leftwing mobilisations in Britain has in recent years followed a consistent pattern: they go up like fireworks and come down the same way. People gather in a fiery rush of creativity and hope, then implode and fall to earth. The tumult of ideas, so inspiring in the early days, leads to confusion and dissipation. A thousand voices clamour to be heard, and competition and atomisation sometimes seem to dominate movements that claim to stand against such forces. Wars of attrition fought by the police grind hope into dust. People become burnt out and disillusioned. A few months later a new enthusiasm takes hold, and we repeat the pattern, apparently gaining little from experience.

While the mobilisations of our grandparents’ generation lasted for decades, ours struggle to survive for months. We create spectacles and debates; we raise interest and awareness. But we seldom generate lasting change.

There’s a second problem: an inability to reach most of those whose struggles should make them natural allies. Just after the results of the Labour leadership election were announced, the Observer quizzed people in Nuneaton. These are among the most privileged voters on earth. Under our first-past-the-post system, swing voters in such marginal constituencies more or less own general elections. So how did they react to this political earthquake? “Near universal apathy. ‘Not interested, mate,’ ‘They’re all the same,’ ‘Who’s he?’ and ‘I don’t vote’ were the most common responses.”

Battered into passivity by the media’s misinformation machine, distracted by consumer culture and the celebrity circus, we live in a permanent fug of confusion about the sources of oppression, and of alienation from the means by which they might be addressed.It is tempting to assert that civic life in this country is dead – but it’s not true. Millions of people belong to NGOs, or volunteer for charities. Eerily, however, there seems to be no connection between this mass participation and political change. Something is missing – something, I believe, that other people have found, people from whom many of us might instinctively recoil: evangelical Christians.

I share none of the core beliefs of the evangelicals but I recognise in their work a series of brilliant organisational models. Here we find movements that are highly diverse in terms of both ethnicity and class. Many of their members are prepared to devote, with apparent joy and limitless persistence, all their free hours to the cause. They persist, year after year. They will weather almost any humiliation and rebuff in their attempts to reach apathetic, hostile people, and they sometimes succeed. In some places – Brazil in particular – they have transformed the life of the nation, often in ways I find disconcerting.

Over the past two years, with help from others, I’ve been trying to determine what we might learn from these movements. The project is still only half cooked (some might say half-baked). But a few rough shapes appear to be swimming into view. Here are some of the features we might be able to adopt.

Evangelical groups unite around a set of core convictions, overt, codified and non-negotiable. It would surely not be difficult to create a similar set, common to all progressive movements, built around empathy, kindness, forgiveness and self-worth. A set of immutable convictions might make our movements less capricious while reinforcing the commonality between the left’s many causes.

Evangelism is positive and propositional (to evangelise is to bring good news). You cannot achieve lasting change unless you set the agenda, rather than responding to that of your opponents.

They welcome everyone – but in particular the unconverted. Instead of anathematising difference, doubt and hesitation, they explain and normalise these responses as steps within a journey to belief. They are self-funding (often through a tithing system), and sometimes create a parallel welfare state, helping people to overcome financial hardship. To sustain ourselves, we need to be more than just political: we should offer those who join us emotional support, moral comfort and, sometimes, material help.

Successful evangelical churches have charismatic leaders who use ritual and ceremony, narrative and theatre, to reinforce convictions, project a shared identity and bind people together. The churches create their own media channels and publishing houses, even their own record labels. All this is built on deeper Christian strategies of disruption and self-sacrifice: essential means of attracting attention and public sympathy that are already widely deployed by secular activists.

There is, of course, plenty to draw upon in nonreligious movements as well, such as Common Weal in Scotland, the astonishing political theatre of the Catalan independence movement and the research and thinking of the Common Cause group. But it is a mistake to learn only from groups with which we may feel comfortable. Our first duty is to be effective, and we should learn from whoever might help us to become so. This is not a game. We can no longer afford to flit to the next enthusiasm, next month, next year or even – if Corbyn lasts that long – next decade. For if he is wiped out, another such chance might never re-emerge. The movement that lifted him on to its shoulders must keep supporting him, seeking between now and 2020 to pull off another improbable feat. This means abandoning old habits and reaching new constituencies, using every democratic means we can muster of returning this country to its people.

Rafiq
7th November 2015, 06:15
Before this is inevitably met with the most ridiculous accusations, this is a very interesting notion.

No doubt we should also take into consideration of the fact that while not everywhere, Evangelicism actually had to fill holes that Socialism left behind. This is not even excursively true for the Evangelicism either, the vast social networks estabilished by Islamists in Lebanon and arguably the gaza strip are similar.

Die Neue Zeit
8th November 2015, 20:51
Comrade, I said in another forum, actually, that Monbiot is himself behind the times. After all, it was historian Lars Lih who suggested that revolutionary social democracy in Germany and Old Bolshevism in Russia had a secular "evangelical" model, complete with the "good news" and related stuff.

The problem with Monbiot's appraisal of evangelism is that the latter only sometimes "created a parallel welfare state." The self-funding model is worth looking at, though, because I don't know if the pre-WWI SPD ever asked for, on top of party membership dues, the secular equivalent of "tithes" during each local branch meeting!

Rafiq
8th November 2015, 21:51
Comrade, I said in another forum, actually, that Monbiot is himself behind the times. After all, it was historian Lars Lih who suggested that revolutionary social democracy in Germany and Old Bolshevism in Russia had a secular "evangelical" model, complete with the "good news" and related stuff.

Which forum, if you don't mind me asking? The topic is of interest.

Aslan
8th November 2015, 22:01
Have you lost your mind Rafiq?! The last thing I want in a socialist movement is a charismatic smooth talker! Socialism is about education not indoctrination and while I'm willing to ally with left-leaning social-democrats and benevolent evangelists, but not use their indoctrination to create drones with no free though! We want class consciousness in our proletarians not some euphoric Marx worshipers! It goes completely against what we are about.

Sewer Socialist
8th November 2015, 22:23
This model exists to an extent in countercultures; in a way, I found myself immersed in a sort of anarcho-punk culture as a teenager. It wasn't terribly intellectually sophisticated, but it offered a comfortable escape from the hell that was otherwise my earlier teenage life, which consisted of beatings, homophobia, oppressive socialization, and social alienation. It is without hyperbole that I say it saved me from suicide.

While it did not directly challenge capitalism, it brought together alienated and critical people, where anti-capitalism wasn't this weird antisocial thing, and I found other people interested in the same thing. As much as we could analyze and learn from Evangelical culture, we could learn from anarcho-punk counterculture.


The last thing I want in a socialist movement is a charismatic smooth talker

Charisma is something lacking on the left. So many times, I hear great analyses presented in the most dry, dull manner that I'm surprised I bothered to listen. We don't wish to deceive people like a quick-talking used car salesperson, but to keep people's attention.

Rafiq
8th November 2015, 23:02
The last thing I want in a socialist movement is a charismatic smooth talker! Socialism is about education not indoctrination

"Indoctrination" is a worthless concept. You can be "indoctrinated" with calculus, among other things. What of it? You're right that socialism is about education, but where we see education others will inevitably see indoctrination.

"Indoctrination" is an anti-scientific notion, a reactionary one even. Surely black tenant farmers who "caused trouble" were 'indoctrinated' by the NAACP and the Communists in what would otherwise be the "racial harmony" of the South during segregation.

Notions of "indoctrination" refer to underlying faith in ruling ideology - the "natural" state of the human mind that has to undergo "brainwash" to be changed. Hence cold war notions of Soviet society include that children are born with a 1950's American attitude and have to be "indoctrinated" and "brainwashed" by Soviet teachers, etc.

Of course, we do not seek a culture of isolation like Scientology or even actual evangelicals. Old German social democracy was strictly democratic, it valued openness with modern society, being a part of it politically, and so on. Bolsheviks attempted this, but the culture of secrecy prevailed solely because of the lack of political freedom in the Russian empire.


and while I'm willing to ally with left-leaning social-democrats and benevolent evangelists, but not use their indoctrination to create drones with no free though! We want class consciousness in our proletarians not some euphoric Marx worshipers! It goes completely against what we are about.

We oppose evangelicals, "benevolent" or not. We are simply talking about some similarities as far as their organizational methods as well as how the rhetoric relates to people. We Marxists understand evangelicalism in terms of false-consciousness. Meaning, working people are attracted to evangelicalism for a reason, it inspires them with hope. This 'spiritual' (historical) dimension must be occupied by the ideas of Communism (which is nothing more than social consciousness, class consciousness). Scientific socialism and Communism are one and the same here - it is fashionable to see Marxism as a neutral instrument of scientific observation and Communism an ideology, but in truth, Marxism is a force of Communism. We must also consider hte fact, however, that no matter how socially conscious you are, faith is still required in order to think outside of ruling ideology, faith that the superstitions are falsehoods. Imagine the faith it would have taken for someone to desecrate some pagan idol in an ancient society, the faith that there would be no retribution. This is what we are talking about. The horizon of Communism gives us no guarantee, so this is the space that which the "mission" aspect occupies - we need faith that there is a better horizon before us.

Cynics love to look at revolutionary leaders in the past as frauds "manipulating" masses of people into blind obedience. But a much more interesting picture develops with more critical investigation: What if, in fact, revolutionary leaders are just as much "blinded", selflessly committed and "brainwashed" as the masses they are leading?

Aslan
8th November 2015, 23:37
Indoctrination is not what communism is about, We want our members to be independently minded while still in our school of though. Your example of ''indoctrinating black workers in the NAACP'' example doesn't make sense. Those poor blacks you talked about thought about the injustices that their white-dominated society brought onto them and eventually decided to join a human-rights group with their own free-will. Contrary to the fetishized worshiping of ''white power'' as their poor white counterparts were indoctrinated into beliving.

What I'm saying is that Marxism is a science, A science of revolution and free-thought for the good of humanity in general. This science must be thereby be regarded with an open mind and not fetishism found in an evangelical secession. Indoctrination is the exact opposite; it means these people aren't freely thinking what the last century of class struggle means. With this in mind it must be noted that a Marxist ''preacher'' will provide an excellent opportunity for a reactionary to justify their false interpretation of Communism as a ''cult'' to the ignorant masses. Push comes to shoves, and you result in the Marxist losing to the reactionary on the account of him actually using religious strategies in a strategic loss.

A successful and charismatic leader almost always entails Bonapartism. This leader would lead the classes astray and create an almost totalitarian state around them. This is not what we want, we don't want another Stalin. Instead, the best option is to create a council which democratically represents the lower class. There would be no ''first among equals'' as Augustus put it. Instead we'd have an equal among the first, the proletarians.

mutualaid
8th November 2015, 23:54
This model exists to an extent in countercultures; in a way, I found myself immersed in a sort of anarcho-punk culture as a teenager. It wasn't terribly intellectually sophisticated, but it offered a comfortable escape from the hell that was otherwise my earlier teenage life, which consisted of beatings, homophobia, oppressive socialization, and social alienation. It is without hyperbole that I say it saved me from suicide.

While it did not directly challenge capitalism, it brought together alienated and critical people, where anti-capitalism wasn't this weird antisocial thing, and I found other people interested in the same thing. As much as we could analyze and learn from Evangelical culture, we could learn from anarcho-punk counterculture.



I think the anarcho-punk culture has a lot to offer, it's a forum for marginalized and radical thought that has been around for decades, and it has created alternative models for media organization and distribution (eg the hardcore dc scene in the 80s and 90s)

Rafiq
9th November 2015, 03:29
Indoctrination is not what communism is about, We want our members to be independently minded while still in our school of though. Your example of ''indoctrinating black workers in the NAACP'' example doesn't make sense. Those poor blacks you talked about thought about the injustices that their white-dominated society brought onto them and eventually decided to join a human-rights group with their own free-will. Contrary to the fetishized worshiping of ''white power'' as their poor white counterparts were indoctrinated into beliving.

You fail to understand that in the same way you might think the discussion entails "brainwashing", so too did white supremacist Southerners understand blacks joining a "human rights group" (a horrible way to put it) in terms of them being brainwashed by some external intruder. And for the record, the terminology does you no good either - "human rights group". Of course that sounds so harmless, but the point of being a Communist is to be harmful, to not be comfortable with hegemonic ideology and rely on some legitimate-sounding big other.

If this qualifies as "brainwashing", then by all means we seek to brainwash others and ourselves. You can't pick and choose what constitutes "indoctrination" and what doesn't. How could you? In its pathological expression the word confers "changing" the brain from an otherwise "natural", or legitimate state. But Marxists understand there is no "natural" state of mind, so that really ends it. The term "brainwashing" is unscientific and reactionary, it literally is a worthless, pathological notion. If you don't believe me, finally, I would like you to inquire as to the origins of the phrase itself, for added irony.


What I'm saying is that Marxism is a science, A science of revolution and free-thought for the good of humanity in general. This science must be thereby be regarded with an open mind and not fetishism found in an evangelical secession.

Marxism is not a "science", it is scientific. If Marxism was the "neutral" science of the Anglo-Saxon spectator, you would have been able to convince more people by now. Marxism is irreducible to being some "neutral" science. One can only understand society scientifically if they are engaged subjects, that is, if they are "biased". Take the scientific revolution. If you were not "biased" towards thought forms outside of church control, like humanism and later enlightenment currents, you could not approach nature in a scientific way. You speak of science, but "free thought" is not a scientific notion and neither is "the good of humanity in general".

Think about the terms you're using critically. There is no such thing as 'free thought' insofar as no thought exists in a vacuum. No one has talked about forcing people to think this or that way at gunpoint or locking people in basements, or torturing people into adopting the ideas of Communism. This would not even be possible. But to provoke you, are you open-minded toward eugenics, "scientific racism", pick-up artist culture, and Fascism?

What constitutes "open-mindedness"? Not being ignorant or dismissive? We Marxists preach ruthless (and thorough) criticism. Again, you don't understand the context of this discussion: No one is talking about adopting the opportunistic qualities of Evangelicals, we are talking about organizational models and the basis of their appeal.


A successful and charismatic leader almost always entails Bonapartism. This leader would lead the classes astray and create an almost totalitarian state around them. This is not what we want, we don't want another Stalin. Instead, the best option is to create a council which democratically represents the lower class. There would be no ''first among equals'' as Augustus put it. Instead we'd have an equal among the first, the proletarians.

The problem here is that you talk about Marxism being a science and so on, but let's be frank: The notion that a charismatic leader is enough to "entail" Bonapartism or "another Stalin" is quite naively ridiculous. This is ignoring notions of "totalitarian states" created by ego-maniacal leaders. Frankly it sounds like you have no notion of how personality cults develop: Personality cults never develop from the cynical whims of a single person, often times in fact the actual individuals, the Stalins, the Castros and the Hoxhas disdain their own personality cults. A "charismatic leader" is a vague notion - of course there will be charismatic leaders who can inspire hope and dedication into people. Why wouldn't this exist?

You talk of councils, but let me give you some practical advice. I have been among anarchist groups. Literally, I have engaged them, provoked them and argued with them in real life. You will never find a real example of a group without some kind of leader. There are always people tacitly understood as those most outspoken, most dedicated and at the head of organization. So the difference really boils down to whether you want to ascribe a formal title to whomever takes the role of a leader, or you have some "secret leader" like Bakunin and his invisible dictatorship. The former gives you accountability, the latter gives you the worst kinds of passive-aggressiveness and all around confusion.

There is nothing wrong with leaders. The point is that they are dedicated to an externality - in the case of evangelicalism it is their god or church. In the case of Communism it is the communist party and the party alone that leaders are answerable to. The self-interest, and particular interest of a leader, or a cadre for that matter, is synonymous with the interests of the communist party as a whole.

Aslan
9th November 2015, 05:43
Your arguments make sense but I'd really like a good explanation of how an evangelist's strategies can do good for Marxists. In fact you must have missed my point about the Marxist losing an argument with the reactionary. He would be told he is like a religion in front of people who don't know better. And since they don't have a Rafiq to analyze and refute their point they will most likely be bogged down as a ''charlatan''.

Rafiq
9th November 2015, 06:00
Well, that's what the article deals with.

As for the argument scenario, this is a bit abstract, don't you think? For it to be at the level where so many people are viewing such an argument seriously would entail different ideological ramifications for them, ones that abandon the kind of postmodern liberalism that speaks about balancing viewpoints, taking the middle path and so on.

We Marxists oppose religion. But what about religion do we oppose? We do not oppose self-sacrifice, engaged subjectivity, whole hearted dedication, impassioned struggle. We have never opposed this, since the times of the French revolution (before this even) we have in fact authentically made it apart of our identity. The point is that we oppose superstition, darkness and obscurantism. Postmodern liberals view religions problematic insofar as they are "dogmatic", as opposed to their "enlightened" personal-oriented spiritualism. This is a total falsehood - it is a sham. What they call free spiritualism or whatever is the worst kind of "dogmatic", blind and thoughtless conformism.

Aslan
9th November 2015, 06:26
I often get into uphill arguments like that, but anyway that's not my point. And I see the use of impassioned dialogue as in a preacher as a way to grab people's attention. However we must agree that you must not neglect education in socialism.

Die Neue Zeit
20th November 2015, 03:32
Have you lost your mind Rafiq?! The last thing I want in a socialist movement is a charismatic smooth talker! Socialism is about education not indoctrination and while I'm willing to ally with left-leaning social-democrats and benevolent evangelists, but not use their indoctrination to create drones with no free though! We want class consciousness in our proletarians not some euphoric Marx worshipers! It goes completely against what we are about.

"Educate! Agitate! Organize!" (Wilhelm Liebknecht)

I'm very much in the political education role, expressing great scepticism towards the hyper-"activism" of left agitators around here and their "activist" ad hominems, but your dismissal here is an unwarranted dismissal of effective left agitation. Back in the day, there were posthumous "Lassalle worshippers" on the agitation front.

blake 3:17
24th November 2015, 23:07
Part of our problem is that we don't have very many people on our side who can approach difficult issues and argue them quickly and convincingly. Often the Left thinks the media is against it (which it is) but so often leftists are so inarticulate when they get a chance to speak to the media or get a message out more widely.

One of the exercises I tried to push in the group I was in years ago, was getting comrades to write letters to the editor at newspapers. Less for any affect the letters would have, but to get disciplined about writing quick, snappy and articulate. Say it in 30 words not 300!

Edited to add: I ended up at a very general Left meeting on the weekend (not on purpose!) and was struck again by how much time people needed to express their ideas. I know I can get a bit enigmatic by over editing but please folks make your point or if you're not at least be entertaining.