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Major K.
7th November 2015, 01:37
Don't know which category I should post this in, but hopefully it fits here.

Today I learned that Walmart is piloting in two of its US stores a new method of checking out (aka, paying for your items).

"Suprisingly", it seems like bad news for workers.

I learned about this first hand, as I live near one of those stores and got in a conversation with a guy who is one of the few long-term employees there (extremely high turn-over rate for workers) -- a manager who seemed to have taken it upon himself to sell the idea to the public.

Basically, they took the self checkout method to the next level. Now they have scanner guns that you put on your cart if you want, and then customers can scan each item they want as they walk around the store and it rings it up right there. You even bag them as you put them in your cart (terrible, but an impressive and somewhat subtle way of getting people to buy more by opting in while in the rows).

When customers are done, they go to one of those self-checkout areas, plug in their portable scanning device, and then it tells you what you owe and you put your card in the machine to pay.

I've been thinking a bit about the implications of this today. It's clear the direction we're going: max automation from the farm to the dinner table, from the factory to the streets to the dump. It sounds great in some ways, but it isn't made for the benefit or liberation of "the consumer", but to reinforce the power elite's causa sui project.

In the shorter term, if this strategy is successfully phased in on a large scale, Walmart stores probably won't need many employees at all to function, besides perhaps one or two technicians to help keep things running smoothly.

This direction towards total automation got me thinking about human's role in this corporate dreamland, and I think it'd be that of the ultimate consumer, where labor and consumption become categorized as one and the same experience. Automation of production as much as possible coupled with a lock-down on human individuality (tight norms regulated with drugs, propaganda, etc.). If there are no workers, and only consumers, and then some "abnormal", "unhealthy" folk (to be labeled "terrorists" or dissidents, who need to be brought into the fold or pay the consequences) who don't bend to that paradigm, prospects for workers going on strike, let alone rebelling, look... not so great, at least from a 20th century "workers of the world unite" perspective.

What do you guys think of all this? At the very least, I think it shows some concrete tactics big corporations like Walmart are testing out these days, showing more of what their deprived vision for what the future of society should look like.

Major K.

Aslan
7th November 2015, 02:01
Basically, they took the self checkout method to the next level. Now they have scanner guns that you put on your cart if you want, and then customers can scan each item they want as they walk around the store and it rings it up right there. You even bag them as you put them in your cart (terrible, but an impressive and somewhat subtle way of getting people to buy more by opting in while in the rows).

When customers are done, they go to one of those self-checkout areas, plug in their portable scanning device, and then it tells you what you owe and you put your card in the machine to pay.

I've been thinking a bit about the implications of this today. It's clear the direction we're going: max automation from the farm to the dinner table, from the factor to the streets to the dump. It sounds great in some ways, but it isn't made for the benefit or liberation of "the consumer", but to reinforce the power elite's causa sui project.

In the shorter term, if this strategy is successfully phased in on a large scale, Walmart stores probably won't need many employees at all to function, besides perhaps one or two technicians to help keep things running smoothly.

This direction towards total automation got me thinking about human's role in this corporate dreamland, and I think it'd be that of the ultimate consumer, where labor and consumption become one and the same. Automation of production as much as possible coupled with a lock-down on human individuality (tight norms regulated with drugs, propaganda, etc.). If there are no workers, and only consumers, and then some "abnormal", "unhealthy" folk (to be labeled "terrorists" or dissidents, who need to be brought into the fold or pay the consequences) who don't bend to that paradigm, prospects for even getting workers to strike, let alone rebel, look... not so great, at least from a 20th century "workers of the world unite" perspective.

I agree with most of what you said but I thought at the end that you were getting a little ahead of yourself. What I am worried about is these policies being put in walmart means that other stores/groceries/fast food companies will follow shortly. This means a growth in the ''precariat''. Remember these jobs are mostly being worked by lower class people. This means that these people will not have many places to work and will either become homeless or will turn to crime as a way to feed their families. This is especially prevalent in the Afro-American community since of the toxic amounts of consumerism found in American culture (i.e ''little wayne/Chief keef rap''). Something good about This is that it could result in more revolutionary potential in the precariat. With the collapse of trade unions decades ago it is possible to radicalize them. Though It is easier said than done.

oneday
7th November 2015, 02:21
What do you guys think of all this? At the very least, I think it shows some concrete tactics big corporations like Walmart are testing out these days, showing more of what their deprived vision for what the future of society should look like.

Major K.

Is it really anything new? Capitalism has always had the drive towards automation and saving labor with the contradiction that this causes the rate of profit to fall.

What I'm not so sure is what is a reasonable stance to take on it? We can't be against labor saving devices which eliminate crappy jobs, but on the other hand we have the concerns that you mentioned, of leaving swaths of workers with no means of stable subsistence in the here and now.

Major K.
7th November 2015, 02:33
Is it really anything new? Capitalism has always had the drive towards automation and saving labor with the contradiction that this causes the rate of profit to fall.

What I'm not so sure is what is a reasonable stance to take on it? We can't be against labor saving devices which eliminate crappy jobs, but on the other hand we have the concerns that you mentioned, of leaving swaths of workers with no means of stable subsistence in the here and now.

I think in this situation the tech isn't really being used to save labor so much, it's mostly just fragmenting that labor into the hands of the consumer. That's what I thought was pretty interesting -- cuz the whole thing is more inconvenient in some ways for the customer.

As Redeagle mentioned, Walmart is a trendsetter. However, they will probably keep all options open for at least a while. Right now they use both automatic and full service checkouts. I suspect full service checkout will largely be phased out over time, and automatic checkout will be integrated with this new approach if they don't get a huge public backlash from it (seems unlikely).

I agree with Redeagle that this shows a continued trend towards getting rid of low paying jobs and not replacing them with anything but contempt, making poor people even poorer.

It's nothing new, really: just another brick in the wall, as they say.

K.

ckaihatsu
8th November 2015, 12:35
If there are no workers




prospects for workers going on strike


So which *is* it here -- are there workers, or aren't there -- ?


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You're making it sound like consumers are being *catered* to, when that's clearly not the case. I'm *just* old enough to faintly remember some 'full service' gas stations in the past when gas station attendants would actually come out and pump your gas for you, for a premium.

In the Walmart example consumers are having to *do work*, that of the checkout process -- this means that the company is simply *narrowing* its 'middleman' (ownership) position in the transaction, further revealing its utter irrelevance in the productive process (since goods might increasingly make their way to shelves via automated processes, like driverless forklifts, while consumers can just find the goods they need from the shelves).

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
8th November 2015, 13:04
The use of these scanning things has basically been introduced in all major Swedish shops years ago to allow them to lay off additional counter staff.