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Trap Queen Voxxy
24th October 2015, 22:34
So I've been working on formulating an 'official' stance/theory on plausible alternatives to law enforcement as we know/have know it. With this being said I felt it necessary to breakdown crime in a modern world. The bulk of crime is what I would call 'financial crimes' (FC) like theft, B&E, embezzlement, fraud, etc. which are crimes who's specific motive is financial gain. Post-revolution, we can all agree, this wouldn't be problem as the system which perpetuates these crimes will have been murdered. So what's left? The 'chemical crimes' [CC] (which may bleed into FC), which are crimes committed as result of being under the influence of alcohol or narcotics or the processes in trying to obtain them. With the end of global prohibition, free access to medical care, etc this too wouldn't be much of a problem. Finally, the 'psychological crimes' (PC) or crimes committed as a result of a diminished capacity due to a mental issue(s), like rape, murder, child molestation/abuse/neglect, animal molestation/abuse/neglect, etc. Really rough and simplistic I know but work with me.

Ok, so, more or less, post-revolution only PC and CC would be a realistic probability. How could we deal with these societal issues without some gumshoe sideshow? Obviously, the psychiatric community would need to take a more prominent role in this. But what about situations where someone is under the influence of say bath salts or meth? I mentioned the idea in another thread which to me, in my head is like a combination of Mao-red guard and American Neighborhood Watch groups. I was think of individuals who would volunteer to be apart of clandestine "safety" groups which respond upon need and have the proper training to handle such situations. Or maybe not even like the weird comparison I made, maybe like mobile "asylum orderlies." What do you guys think? What too of body cams for such people and security cameras, etc? Would that even be necessary? What utility would that serve?

I really hope we can get this convo going, I'd really like appreciate/love the help

Tim Cornelis
24th October 2015, 22:40
Some people that have written on the topic:
Louk Hulsman (prison/criminal law abolitionist)
Thom Holterman (anarchism & law)

Just throwing it out there for those interested (might find something at yer local university library, although membership costs a ton)

Trap Queen Voxxy
24th October 2015, 22:47
Some people that have written on the topic:
Louk Hulsman (prison/criminal law abolitionist)
Thom Holterman (anarchism & law)

Just throwing it out there for those interested (might find something at yer local university library, although membership costs a ton)

I think I've read Anarchism and Law a really long time ago but I'll try check those out. I'm a member of the Carengie library system which covers a bunch of libraries around the city, for free. I don't think I could sign up for something like that rn. Thank you for the speedy reply tho love :)

Comrade Jacob
25th October 2015, 16:48
In the transition to communism the people's government would carry out security etc. As the state withers away it will be more in the hands of the people's directly.

Trap Queen Voxxy
25th October 2015, 17:06
In the transition to communism the people's government would carry out security etc. As the state withers away it will be more in the hands of the people's directly.

As tried in history this didn't actually turn out to be an alternative to bourgeois security forces and in fact, was more or less, just a change in uniform and a re-staff. Not to be rude, I'm just saying that Soviet style security forces where essentially a revamped form of the Tzar's guard. I'm more so looking for models, that would provide a better alternative too a standing, professional police force. Even 'peace officers' I feel may perhaps still be too close.

I'm looking for completely different theories.

Guardia Rossa
25th October 2015, 19:41
About "Chemical Crimes" there is a theory proving that it is the society that leads the person to the chemicals, the addiction itself is not that strong (Except with some hardcore drugs like crack, croc, etc...). But with marijuana, cigars, alcohol, etc... It is the society the person is in that leads to addiction and drug-consumption.

In a communist society, the people would be way happier, no need for drugs to ease the burden of living.