Benghazi Cmte Hearings

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Anyone else watching this? I just watched it start to finish both on FOX and MSNBC and oh man, lmfao, this is a complete sideshow. I hope Hillary gets nailed to the wall. I hate her.

[#FF0000]

Same but i don't really know what they're even trying to get out of this. Pretty much seems like incompetence on the part of the Department so why not just take that and run w/ it instead of trying to act like there was some conspiracy or something.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

It's petty partisan politics. I feel bad for the families who lost their loved ones, but the obvious thing about this witch hunt is that the possibility of these events is an inevitable consequence of the kind of foreign policy the US pursues no matter who is in charge. When you send diplomats to unstable parts of the world to ensure the global interests of your state, you are liable to suffer some casualties.

[Sasha]

the repubs should have quit while they where ahead, this last one just made clear to anyone it was stupid partisan attempt to damage the top democratic contender for the presidential elections, she came out a lot better than going in from what i saw

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

the repubs should have quit while they where ahead, this last one just made clear to anyone it was stupid partisan attempt to damage the top democratic contender for the presidential elections, she came out a lot better than going in from what i saw

I couldn't disagree more. What I saw was Democrats all giving their best Clerks impersonations ("I wasn't even suppose to be here today") or whining that it was the extremely late hours of 7 pm or lick boots or attack the Republicans; I can't honestly recall one question they asked. Republicans dropped the ball with repetition, too emotive, not focused. I think it's silly to point to the Democratic campaign considering Sanders is smashing her in the polls anyway despite shady liberal media reporting plus it is what it is. Nixon deleted 18-20 minutes or something of tape, she deleted 30k emails. Plus the evidence seems to suggest on the inside she was the main one pushing to back Libyan rebels and so on. She either didn't know her own staff, said it was "so hard" or deflected blame or said "nuh huh," or tried to get pity or flip flopped. She's a pathological liar who should be barred from any public office.

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[Trap Queen Voxxy]

It's petty partisan politics. I feel bad for the families who lost their loved ones, but the obvious thing about this witch hunt is that the possibility of these events is an inevitable consequence of the kind of foreign policy the US pursues no matter who is in charge. When you send diplomats to unstable parts of the world to ensure the global interests of your state, you are liable to suffer some casualties.

FOX interviewed family members of the victims who said it was a joke and that Hillary should be prosecuted along with others in the Administration; Hillary told her family the truth and then fed the victims families lies. It was revealed in her testimony the consult requested additional security measures 600+ times. I don't think it's a witch hunt at all. I mean, her part in imperialist war adventures, vanity and general incompetence lead to the death of 4 neutral American diplomats. Yes, the committee has every right to focus on a witness during their own testimony when they were Secretary of State and fucked up this severely. How's that a witch hunt?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Same but i don't really know what they're even trying to get out of this. Pretty much seems like incompetence on the part of the Department so why not just take that and run w/ it instead of trying to act like there was some conspiracy or something.

Yeah I don't think it was a conscious, back room conspiracy but I mean it does seem like a colossal cover up of a fuck up. This was back when Obama was still campaigning and trying to sell us this narrative of the Arab Spring this huge success.

[Sewer Socialist]

Well, the difference between this and Watergate is that having a little B&E to sabotage someone else's campaign is probably a bigger deal than simply lying about an attack on an embassy which had little political consequence.

I really don't understand how this or Watergate are huge scandals, though. I mean, the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident, the replacement of Allende with Pinochet, the fabricated "evidence" of Iraqi weapons lead to major wars, huge international conflicts, millions dead, and... no repercussions for the people behind those lies. These seem very minor compared to those. It's almost like these things are so minor, they blow them out of proportion to have this discussion in lieu of the worse deceptions and war crimes.

Or am I misunderstanding the relevance of Benghazi?

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Perhaps the big takeaway here ought to be that, like Obama's executive order to shut down the Guantanamo Bay military prison in 2009, the executive order to stop C.I.A. detainment and the clandestine prison network was in actuality never applied either. Paula Broadwell (who was close to Petraeus) revealed that the C.I.A. was keeping a secret prison ("black site") in Benghazi. McCain has been given free rein to pursue his "rogue state rollback", meeting with contras in Libya and Syria, and openly lauding the C.I.A. role in funding and training them. The torture and detention program is painted as an excess of the Bush years, while in actuality, the perpatrators have never been held accountable, and the practice is almost certainly continuing, if not being incorporated into domestic U.S. policing (as Chicago's Homan Square revelations show). While all that should be scandalous, the outrage unfortunately seems to be over the fact that Republicans believe Democrats are less effective imperialists than them.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Well, the difference between this and Watergate is that having a little B&E to sabotage someone else's campaign is probably a bigger deal than simply lying about an attack on an embassy which had little political consequence.

I would say the reverse that 18 1/2 minutes of tapes being erased and the B&E were all for a slight political edge. Libya is a whole different story who's climax was the Colonel being anally raped with a knife. All while the Obama administration tell us Libya is a success, the Arab Spring is a success, etc. Just like how Obama recently said something to the effect of "if you vote Republican you'll be voting for 7 mores wars," when in all actuality, America IS currently involved in 7 wars, in 7 different nations, the so called "Drone Wars," which have killed more civilians I think the original Iraq-Afghan invasion/occupation. Objectively, if you peel back the 'hip' persona he's not better than banish if not worse. Like Clinton's "humanitarian bombing," in the 90s on roids.

[quote] I really don't understand how this or Watergate are huge scandals, though. I mean, the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident, the replacement of Allende with Pinochet, the fabricated "evidence" of Iraqi weapons lead to major wars, huge international conflicts, millions dead, and... no repercussions for the people behind those lies. These seem very minor compared to those. It's almost like these things are so minor, they blow them out of proportion to have this discussion in lieu of the worse deceptions and war crimes.

It's actually part and parcel to revealing a whole lot in relation to American adventures abroad. It's just one fucked up incident in a huge series of imperialist fuckery. Plus, if the Republicans could get there shit together, this would demonstrate a lot considering, you have the Libya debacle plus the fact that Clinton/Obama's arms deal with Iran? Selling nukes to a Jew hating, mass murderin theocratic madman with ZERO humanity? Before anyone says anything, yes, objectively neo-liberal democratic nations are a fuck ton better than some theocratic shithole. Idc about anti-imp rants about how I "hate Iran" or "don't appreciate the minutia of Iranian politics," save it.

For the record most Americans don't believe the USS Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, Tuskegee Syphilis, the disease experiment on SanFran, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, JFK assassination, the Afghan-Iraq war, or other various incidents didn't happen, they're conspiracy theories, their government "would never hurt them or it's people, that's an impossibility, it's America, that can't happen."


Or am I misunderstanding the relevance of Benghazi?

Like I say, I personally think it's a decent size hole in Obama's war tent.