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Intifada
15th February 2004, 20:35
MEET OUR NEW SADDAM: INTRODUCING ISLAM KARIMOV OF UZBEKISTAN

By: Sadik Kassim


Introducing Islam Karimov, one of Washington's most recent allies in the War on Terror. The neo-Stalinist autocrat presides over Uzbekistan, a vast mineral and oil rich country strategically located in central Asia. A country where dissidents are boiled alive (1); where having an Islamically sanctioned beard can get you arrested (2); where torture is widespread. In short, a country where human rights abuses are occurring on "a massive scale," (3) financed in part by the American taxpayer.

Slightly larger than the state of California and home to the fabled Silk Road cities of Samarqand and Bukhara, Uzbekistan today is a prime theater in the "War on Terror". After the September 11 attacks, Uzbekistan granted American troops permission to use its Khanbad military base located just north of Afghanistan.

The establishment of Khanbad, along with other bases in neighboring Kyrgyzstan, enabled the American government to achieve three major strategic goals. In addition to providing a center from which the American military could pursue the Taliban in Afghanistan, the bases more importantly, improved "American access to Kazakh and Turkmen oil and gas," and extended "US influence to a region hitherto dominated by Russia and of constant concern to China (4)." The bases in essence paved the way for America to gain a foothold in a globally strategic region thereby putting it in a better position to compete with Russia and China for the great oil treasures of the Caspian Sea.

In addition to being the world's largest lake, the Caspian sea is believed to hold vast oil reserves comparable to those of the Middle East. Yet, unlike the Middle East, transport of the extracted black gold from the landlocked lake to the open sea is a major hurdle. Therefore, the primary issue guiding the politics of the region revolve around not ownership of oil, rather control of the proposed pipelines by which the oil is transported. It is within this context that Uzbekistan has emerged as "the key strategic state in the area (5)."

Uzbekistan's cooperation with Washington has not gone unrewarded. In March 2002, Messrs Bush and Karimov formally met for 45 minutes in the White House. The meeting produced a five point strategic partnership between the two countries. Among other things, in exchange for continued use of Khanbad, the agreement granted Uzbekistan $500 million in aid and credit guarantees (6), $25 million for military assistance, $18 million for "border security assistance", and $1 million in policing assistance (7). These concessions were made to one of America's "foremost partners in the fight against terrorism (8)" despite the State Department's own declaration that, "Uzbekistan is an authoritarian state with a very poor human rights record (9)."

According to the Human Rights Watch (HRW) 2003 World Report, the Karimov led government violates, on a systematic level, basic rights "to freedom of religion, expression, association and assembly." HRW notes that Karimov has used the pretext of the "War on Terror", to pursue a campaign whose aim is to squelch opposition. Specifically, the government has arrested and tortured thousands of independent Muslims, including minors. HRW and other human rights organizations estimate that there are between 7,000 and 10,000 prisoners held on religious and political charges. Most recently, forensic evidence has been revealed suggesting that Karimov's government boiled to death two Muslim prisoners after they refused to stop praying.

The only major critique of Karimov's government by a western government official has come from Britain's Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray (10). "Uzbekistan is not a functioning democracy, nor does it appear to be moving in the direction of democracy," said Murray at the opening of the Freedom House human rights center in Tashkent, Uzbekistan in October 2002. Murray continued by exclaiming that, "The major political parties are banned; parliament is not subject to democratic election; and checks and balances on the authority of the electorate are lacking." Murray concluded by noting that, "no government has the right to use the war against terrorism as an excuse for the persecution of those with a deep personal commitment to the Islamic religion, and who pursue their views by peaceful means."

Murray's speech did not sit well with either the American or the Uzbek governments, the latter calling on Murray to apologize for his remarks. Murray did not relent and continued his critiques. In May 2003 he decried, "the intense repression here [in Uzbekistan] combined with the inequality of wealth and absence of reform." While in August 2003 he restated that there was, "no freedom of speech, mass media, movement and so forth." Furthermore, he called on the Uzbek interior and national security ministries to publicly criticize themselves for using torture.

Murray's blunt manner "was causing alarm in London and Washington, where he was regarded as too undiplomaticsome influential figures in the diplomatic service felt he had gone too far." For his troubles, Murray was subject to a spurious internal British Foreign Office investigation for alleged misconduct. The pressures got to Murray, who eventually returned to London in October of this year for "medical reasons".

According to James McGrory, a British development consultant based in Tashkent, "The common belief is that Mr. Murray is being sacrificed to the AmericansThey certainly loathed him...the US Embassy makes no effort to conceal its dislike of the way he repeatedly and unequivocally slams (the country's) human rights record."

Clare Short, former International Development Secretary who resigned from the Blair cabinet over the war in Iraq, is a purported supporter of Murray's critiques. Of Murray, Short said the following (11), "He is an individual who was taking a stand on human rights issues where there is terrible, terrible repressionif he has been smeared and belittled for standing up for fundamental human rights--this is not just a few honorable political dissidents but really horrible repression--that would be outrageous."

The case of Uzbekistan and Craig Murray prove that once again political expediency takes priority over human rights issues in a globally strategic region. The final word belongs to the St. Louis Post Dispatch, the only major American periodical to significantly condemn American policy in Uzbekistan. In an editorial dated November 8, 2003, it was noted that, "If U.S. policy is to have any credibility in the Muslim world--indeed in the world at large--it must be based not on convenience, but on principle. It will be recalled that in the 1980s, the United States made a similar deal of convenience with another Central Asian tyrant. His name was Saddam Hussein."

Intifada
15th February 2004, 20:42
here is a nice little picture that i found to add:

guerrillaradio
15th February 2004, 21:19
Great post. Vindicates what I've been thinking since this War on Terror started. Surely everyone remembers Blair's diplomatic visit to Syria in 2002 where he schmoozed with their Prime Minister, whose name I forget.

Intifada
16th February 2004, 09:41
as long as they will get something out of them, they will be happy to fund tyrants.

Don't Change Your Name
17th February 2004, 01:51
Well this one is a perfect candidate for next scapegoat of the new Roman empire... this might become worthy proof in the future.

Anyway, I don't think yankees will care because after all they don't even know what the hell is Uzbekistan.

General A.A.Vlasov
17th February 2004, 08:04
...na-a-a...they won't attack Uzbekistan. Yankee need them as a slaves working against Russia on yankee bases!

The real new Hussein is a Sapramurad Niyazov - dictator of Turkmenistan! :angry:

LuZhiming
18th February 2004, 14:04
Originally posted by General [email protected] 17 2004, 09:04 AM
The real new Hussein is a Sapramurad Niyazov - dictator of Turkmenistan! :angry:
Haha, he also just so happens to be backed by the U.S.

Red, Green, and Gold
18th February 2004, 14:58
Hah. America's double standard is sickening. They support dictators worldwide --- Pervez Musharraf, dictator of Pakistan, is America's sweetheart.
Meanwhile, America refuses to have any dealings with other countries run by "dictators" (by America's standards, not mine) like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez.

el_profe
19th February 2004, 06:26
hey Ihatebush(and jews,americans and christians, oh and catholics and homosexuals and women that show there face and anyone who is not muslim) what do you think of IRan's "great" islamic goverment?

I heard that last year they actually banned stoning :o :o , this must of been disapointing for you, considering in places like Iran the stoned women for "cheating " with another man. :o :o

and another question? why do muslim women have to cover there faces?

General A.A.Vlasov
19th February 2004, 06:40
H.I.M....yea, that's right! Their politic of double standards is Shit! WE hate them too... :angry:

General A.A.Vlasov
19th February 2004, 06:44
H.I.M....yea, that's right! Their politic of double standards is Shit! WE hate them too... :angry:

Intifada
19th February 2004, 17:47
what do you think of IRan's "great" islamic goverment?

i hate it, just like i hate america's government.

i also hate saudi, pakistan and other "islamic" countries. unlike america! :D


why do muslim women have to cover there faces?

they dont "have" to. :rolleyes:

your "islamaphobia" is really getting annoying.

el_profe
19th February 2004, 19:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 06:47 PM

what do you think of IRan's "great" islamic goverment?

i hate it, just like i hate america's government.

i also hate saudi, pakistan and other "islamic" countries. unlike america! :D


why do muslim women have to cover there faces?

they dont "have" to. :rolleyes:

your "islamaphobia" is really getting annoying.
they dont? :o soem dont, but many othersx do cover there face? what is the explanation for that?

LSD
19th February 2004, 22:07
and another question? why do muslim women have to cover there faces?

they dont? soem dont, but many othersx do cover there face? what is the explanation for that?

Religous misinterpretation and cultural dogma.

LuZhiming
20th February 2004, 03:30
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:26 AM
hey Ihatebush(and jews,americans and christians, oh and catholics and homosexuals and women that show there face and anyone who is not muslim) what do you think of IRan's "great" islamic goverment?

I heard that last year they actually banned stoning :o :o , this must of been disapointing for you, considering in places like Iran the stoned women for "cheating " with another man. :o :o

and another question? why do muslim women have to cover there faces?
:blink: I don't comprehend, what does this have to do with the topic or any of its replies?

cubist
20th February 2004, 13:10
watching something the other night and they pointed out

the most contributions to al queda are from saudia arabia, yet america uses saudi arabia to bomb iraq?

Intifada
20th February 2004, 16:46
what is the explanation for that?

most muslim women wear the headscarf because they choose to.


I don't comprehend, what does this have to do with the topic or any of its replies?

LuZhiming el profe seems to be very racist towards muslims for some reason. also, the reason he didnt reply to the article is because it is blatant evidence of the double standards and hypocrisy of the u$a, and he has no argument against it.

Dirty Commie
20th February 2004, 19:08
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 11:30 PM

Because the Saudi royal family sells the u$a oil at prices below OPEC rates...and they are the most tyrannical dictatorship we've ever suppported, women are treated nearly the same as under theTaliban, elections are almost non existant, non-Shiite muslims have no protection against religous discrmination...They are the Fascist Italy of the Mid East and we love them for it.

I hate the Saudi royal family more than I hate skinheads.

martingale
22nd February 2004, 04:48
Once again, the U.S. is sowing the seeds of blowback in Central Asia, just like 9/11 was blowback for the US sponsor of Osama Bin Laden and the Afghan Muhajadeen in the 1980's.

Monty Cantsin
22nd February 2004, 05:10
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 07:26 AM
hey Ihatebush(and jews,americans and christians, oh and catholics and homosexuals and women that show there face and anyone who is not muslim)
Nice to see you can make assumptions with no backing up oops my mistake you do that all the time. you comments just highlight your arrogance and stereotypes once again.

martingale
24th February 2004, 05:39
ihatebush,

Can you give me the link to the article in your first post in this thread: "Meet Our New Saddam". Thanks.

Intifada
24th February 2004, 17:30
here you go (http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2004/01/ennews18012004.html)

STI
24th February 2004, 20:58
It's truly amusing to see capitalists and patriots try to defend their ridiculous foreign policy with a net full of red herrings. Let's see if I can do the same...


Cappie: "Communism wouldn't work because there's no motivation to work"

Me: "Yeah, well what about how the US supported Osama bin Ladin in the 80s?"


Yep, i can do it! (save your applause until I'm done). I bet it would get real annoying if I never addressed what was being said in favour of bringing up irrelevant facts, then addressed other members by name because they havn't said anything that I can respond to logically and lucidly.

Okay, you can applaud now.

General A.A.Vlasov
28th February 2004, 07:56
"Yeah, well what about how the US supported Osama bin Ladin in the 80s?"

:D Bravo! ;)

Hate Is Art
28th February 2004, 09:58
i want to see el profe, or any other cappie, make a decent reply to this article?