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Guardia Rossa
30th September 2015, 20:25
EDIT: Don't read this if you don't want to read the lamentations of a adolescent.


I am 17 years old, I suffer discrimination for being young. I cannot discuss politics, philosophy, sociology, actually, any and all things I say are disregarded as "young revolt" and that "time will change me" as if I would join this sick Capitalist Status Quo automatically when as I get older.

People don't take us seriously. My sociology teacher, a admitted revisionist, keeps attempting to convert me to revisionist tendencies, saying "You will grow" and shit like that, as if I can't think straight until I'm at least 21.

Likewise, my father is a typical patriarch. He thinks he "owns" both me and my step-mother. To give an example, if he makes something wrong, it's "It was only once, I don't do this all the time, stop trying to be victimize yourself and make me look like an idiot blablabla". If we make something wrong he thinks he is in his right to say we are shit and idiots until 4 A.M. and stress the fact "This is MY house, I buy the food, if you want to do things like that go rent yourself a house, blablabla"

It's fun that if I try to re-affirmate my independence he aggressively ask me "ARE YOU CHALLENGING ME???" as if we were animals fighting for a bone, in a zero-sum relation where one have to be dominant.

He is totally into Zen-Buddhist Neoliberal culture (Except in his Patriarchy, he is quite a conservative there) and smokes marijuana, hears indian music. Still, he criticizes me when I relax hearing rock and playing strategy computer games, as if smoking is any better than playing.

I cannot move into the house of any of my family members, half of them live far from my city and most of them live far from the city center (My school and work are at the center of the city. Half-million city, more houses than apartment buildings so it's the bigger urban zone per population of my nation (Brazil) so living too far away is not an option, that is, if I want to sleep more than 6 hours per day)

And my salary is 400 Reais, 100 dollars, for a 4-hour workday. Wouldn't manage to rent a cardboard box and buy the essentials. I don't actually work much, but as the russians said about late-USSR, "They pretend to pay and we pretend to work"

I'm attempting to get a 830 reais (207 dollars) job for the same 4 hours, but that's for at most next year. And won't really help, cheapest rent is 500 reais, water+energy+food is 200, I wouldn't be able to buy anything else then the most essential stuff.

Worst is the government. I can't do anything without my father, my mother, my grandfather, my dog, my tree and my boss signing down that they "allow" me to do stuff. As If I cannot be responsible, I cannot take care of myself, as If I was a pet.

I already though about making a party for youth rights, but hey, I can't even read Karl Marx's books, how am I supposed to create a party from scratch?

So I'm stuck with an reactionary father that thinks I'm his propriety, a minimal salary, my opinions are automatically trash, because I am still to young to think, after all, and I don't have time for do nothing worthwile, like learning German, reading Marx, learning how to make drawings (Propaganda posters FTW), no money to rent a place for myself.

Sorry for this thread. I am very stressed and need to say this to someone. And the thread deviated quite a lot from my original objective, but I will leave it like this. I don't know what to do, so I will use the social medias to annoy people and cry out loud, as if this was going to help me solve my problems. Whatever.

Mods, throw this wherever you think it's more appropriate. Delete it if you want.

BIXX
30th September 2015, 21:42
While I think you're politics are shit I do know the problem you're talking about after reading your second paragraph. People here do it too, honestly, it doesn't get better anywhere you go.

Guardia Rossa
30th September 2015, 22:01
While I think you're politics are shit I do know the problem you're talking about after reading your second paragraph. People here do it too, honestly, it doesn't get better anywhere you go.

See? You don't get it. It is not a problem people thinking my political ideals are shit: this is completely normal. But saying they are shit because I'm young? F.U.

This is patriarchal bullshit, we are humans and we rationalize just like everyone, we young people are not mindless, walking chunks of meat.

Zoop
30th September 2015, 22:36
A lot of people are fuckwits who don't know how to engage in rational thought, so it really isn't surprising that they reject your ideas solely based on the fact that you're young. They're worthy of your contempt. Let that contempt drive you to repel their debasement.

BIXX
30th September 2015, 23:10
See? You don't get it. It is not a problem people thinking my political ideals are shit: this is completely normal. But saying they are shit because I'm young? F.U.

This is patriarchal bullshit, we are humans and we rationalize just like everyone, we young people are not mindless, walking chunks of meat.

You didn't read what I said. I said I think your politics are shit but that has nothing to do with you being young. In fact I've posted on this very topic before.

Guardia Rossa
30th September 2015, 23:34
You didn't read what I said. I said I think your politics are shit but that has nothing to do with you being young. In fact I've posted on this very topic before.

Yes, I understood that, the problem is not saying my politics is shit, is that some people say my political ideas are shit just because I'm young, as if being young makes me a walking pile of shit.

Wyboth
5th October 2015, 18:39
I had similar experiences with ageism, but not as bad as you have it. You are absolutely right - people who say "You're young, you don't have as much experience in the world as I do, so I win this argument" are bullshitting. I got that a lot as a teenager, and I was told that my opinions would change when I got older, and I would realize that they were right. I still think they're wrong, and now people respect my opinions more. It's just a way for them to exit the argument if they're tired of arguing, or if they're losing, and look like they won. It's absolute BS, and nobody should take it seriously, but a lot of people do. I always pointed out that there were plenty of middle-aged people who agree with me, so it's not something that everyone "gets over" once they grow up. The other person would pretend they didn't hear what I said and repeat themselves like a broken record, but I had at least legitimized my own argument to myself.

Sorry to hear you are stuck in such an awful situation - I hope you can get out of it soon.

Quail
5th October 2015, 20:10
I'm 25 and I think my parents still expect me to grow out of my "extreme views"...

Although having said that, I do think that when you're young and haven't experienced as much of the world, it can be more difficult to analyse it. For example, the experience of being a teenage parent (okay, I was 19 when my son was born but I was young) and having to do loads of adult shit, experiencing difficulties like being poor and not being able to afford childcare plus exclusion from the trendy leftist scene because apparently all activists are childfree and privileged... That really shaped me as a person and shaped my view of the world. As did growing up in a female body, and being queer, and being a benefit claimant... I think that life experience really helps to shape your politics and your view of the world, and very young people have less life experience.

That's not to say though that young people are inherently wrong. Plenty of young people on this website amaze me with their grasp of theory and their worldliness. Likewise there are a lot of older people who are wrong about various things. I think that both older and younger people need to listen to each other and take on board what is said - there is also a similar issue where young people dismiss the older generation as outdated dinosaurs.

Luís Henrique
6th October 2015, 19:09
EDIT: Don't read this if you don't want to read the lamentations of a adolescent.

A Juventude e o Despertar de uma Consciência Latente (http://www.mrs-pt.com.br/ler_noticias.php?id_noticia=14)

Luís Henrique

Comrade Jacob
16th October 2015, 15:51
While I think you're politics are shit I do know the problem you're talking about after reading your second paragraph. People here do it too, honestly, it doesn't get better anywhere you go.

Every political line I've seen from you is shit.

Comrade Jacob
16th October 2015, 15:55
Just because most youth are fucking idiots doesn't mean adults are any more intelligent.