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Guardia Rossa
26th August 2015, 20:46
Historically capitalism has appealed to wars in order to explosively re-start destroyed economies and boost GDP growth rates (Even if they do so by destroying what exists and re-building, somewhat the keynesian thing of "Break the window, make the window, sell the window, repeat")

How this relations with our current economic crisis? Is the world so bankrupt and overloaning that a war is not possible? Can this be a possible solution looked up by the Bourgeoisie?

There are plenty of casus bellis around: Russia x NATO clashes, China's "maritime adventures", The Korea's neverending conflict, nationalist movements, islamic world absurd geopolitics, anti-EU movements, etc...

Can there be a third world war? Will nukes be used?

Probability of nuclear radiation killing us all?

No more Game of Thrones?
I won't be able to read Das Kapital?

Now, please, relieve me from this inherent pessimism of mine or break my face with a brick.

ComradeAllende
26th August 2015, 23:40
Historically capitalism has appealed to wars in order to explosively re-start destroyed economies and boost GDP growth rates (Even if they do so by destroying what exists and re-building, somewhat the keynesian thing of "Break the window, make the window, sell the window, repeat")

Wars are usually waged for explicitly political reasons, with economic issues serving as the foundation for the propaganda. The "Scramble for Africa" was justified by nationalism and the "white man's burden," with the potential markets and reservoirs of raw materials serving as the real reason (not to mention stifling class consciousness). I can't think of any major war between global powers started to boost local economies (at least under 20th century capitalism).


How this relations with our current economic crisis? Is the world so bankrupt and overloaning that a war is not possible? Can this be a possible solution looked up by the Bourgeoisie?

There are plenty of casus bellis around: Russia x NATO clashes, China's "maritime adventures", The Korea's neverending conflict, nationalist movements, islamic world absurd geopolitics, anti-EU movements, etc...


Probably not, although regional conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East (not to mention the refugee crisis in Europe) could exacerbate and cause a major geopolitical crisis. The bourgeoisie would have to be pretty desperate to turn to war as a form of stimulus, especially given the potential of thermonuclear Armageddon. The last time that happened (consciously or otherwise) was World War I, and that was when the working class had the most political power in the form of mass-based parties and agitating labor movements.


Can there be a third world war? Will nukes be used?

Yes, but whether it will happen is unlikely.

Guardia Rossa
27th August 2015, 21:27
The last time that happened (consciously or otherwise) was World War I

Didn't Hitler started the war to prevent Germany's economy to enter in crisis again?

I recall reading this somewhere (Probably Historum)

ComradeAllende
27th August 2015, 23:18
Hitler didn't technically start WWII; France and England did when they declared war after the invasion of Poland (after all, they did nothing when Hitler annexed Austria and gobbled up Czechoslovakia).

Nevertheless, Hitler did not intend to start World War II, at least not over Poland. He was certainly aggressive geopolitically and was devoted to re-establishing the pre-WW1 German Empire (but with Nazis in charge), but war was not his explicit aim. Diplomacy was his primary tool of achieving his objectives (the Non-Aggression Pact with Stalin, the Munich Conference, etc).

Not to mention the fact that Hitler sought to expand Germany to expand its internal market (as he was recalcitrant to trade and supported some form of autarky); the subjugation of Eastern Europe and the enslavement of the "useful" Slavs for agricultural production was one of his many expansionist goals.

tuwix
28th August 2015, 05:53
Historically capitalism has appealed to wars in order to explosively re-start destroyed economies and boost GDP growth rates (Even if they do so by destroying what exists and re-building, somewhat the keynesian thing of "Break the window, make the window, sell the window, repeat")

How this relations with our current economic crisis? Is the world so bankrupt and overloaning that a war is not possible? Can this be a possible solution looked up by the Bourgeoisie?

There are plenty of casus bellis around: Russia x NATO clashes, China's "maritime adventures", The Korea's neverending conflict, nationalist movements, islamic world absurd geopolitics, anti-EU movements, etc...

Can there be a third world war? Will nukes be used?

Probability of nuclear radiation killing us all?

No more Game of Thrones?
I won't be able to read Das Kapital?

Now, please, relieve me from this inherent pessimism of mine or break my face with a brick.

There is now universal link between capitalism and war. Certainly there are wars driven by some capitalist sectors (military-industrial complex and oil complex) but not all of them they are. WWII was side-effect of the great crisis. The great crisis caused a creation of nazism and expansionist policy of Germany. But it was just a case of Germany and careless policy of Britain and France. The intelligence of those states informed that nazi Germany violate Versal's treaty. They could intervene to prevent another World War but they did nothing. Today such scenario seems to be impossible. But wars of oil or to maintain or expand US or Russia's dominance are very possible unfortunately.

DOOM
28th August 2015, 06:05
Hitler didn't technically start WWII; France and England did when they declared war after the invasion of Poland (after all, they did nothing when Hitler annexed Austria and gobbled up Czechoslovakia).

Nevertheless, Hitler did not intend to start World War II, at least not over Poland. He was certainly aggressive geopolitically and was devoted to re-establishing the pre-WW1 German Empire (but with Nazis in charge), but war was not his explicit aim. Diplomacy was his primary tool of achieving his objectives (the Non-Aggression Pact with Stalin, the Munich Conference, etc).

Not to mention the fact that Hitler sought to expand Germany to expand its internal market (as he was recalcitrant to trade and supported some form of autarky); the subjugation of Eastern Europe and the enslavement of the "useful" Slavs for agricultural production was one of his many expansionist goals.

War is never the aim; it's the means to achieve an end. Now you already said it yourself, Hitler's Lebenraum was one of his aims and Hitler was very well aware of the fact that he'd have to start a war to pursue his target.
Not to mention the german revanchism towards France. Everything pointed to Hitler starting a war and everyone knew it.