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Asero
30th July 2015, 04:36
BANGKOK, Thailand "Hardcore hip-hop" isnt releasing yet another rhyme about cocaine and Glocks to titillate the American suburbs. Hardcore hip-hop is a Vietnamese MC rapping about executing corrupt officials and overthrowing the Communist Party.

One of Vietnams most subversive new rap songs isnt about partying, sex or even drugs. Its simply called F*ck Communism. (We added the asterisk.) Its a six-minute revenge fantasy targeting dirty cops, crooked bureaucrats and the so-called professional thieves who run the Communist Party of Vietnam.

Here are a few choice verses:
All embezzlers will die without burial.
The traffic cops will be executed first.
Ill never accept being a slave. F*ck communism.

This song is dangerously rebellious in Vietnam, an authoritarian state that attempts to crush anti-government dissent. Its also growing really popular. Since its release in January, the track has racked up 875,000 views on YouTube and in a country with fewer than 40 million internet users, thats a huge hit song.

Going public with a song titled F*ck Communism in Vietnam is practically begging to get arrested. It was composed by a well-known rapper named Nah, a self-described middle-class kid from Ho Chi Minh City who makes no effort to conceal his real name: Nguyen Vu Son.

I knew this was risky, Nah tells GlobalPost. Ive thought of the consequences. Going to jail. Getting my family framed for crimes they didnt do. They might even try to kidnap me or arrange an accident.
Nah, 24, is currently in the US where hes studying entrepreneurship at Oklahoma State University. His student visa expires in the summer of 2016. Thats when he intends to return despite potential charges of creating propaganda against the state, a crime used to imprison hundreds of dissidents in the past decade.

All of that is definitely going to happen, he says. His new neck tattoo which reads F*ck Communism is unlikely to endear him to the Vietnamese authorities.

But if I go to jail, he says, itll show the young people not to be afraid.
If F*ck Communism has an American counterpart, it might be NWAs pioneering gangsta rap song F*ck Tha Police, says Trinh Nguyen of Viet Tan, a US-based organization advocating for democracy for Vietnam.

Its this generations version of F*ck Tha Police because it clearly identifies the problems people are seeing and directly spells them out, Trinh says. Its also really provocative so, of course, it caught on really quickly.

The track is not about communism as an ideology, but rather the failings of Vietnams all-powerful Communist Party and those too meek to condemn it. Vietnams corruption score, as determined by Transparency International, ranks 119th out of 175 countries worse than fellow communist state China.
F*ck Communism is the songs English-language title. Thats a translation from the actual title "Địt Mẹ Cộng Sản" and it doesnt fully capture the intensity of the original. The actual curse word he uses is so heavy, Trinh says. Try to think of the worst curse word you could ever say.

Hip-hop fans can interpret the songs calls to violence as an expression of frustration. Vietnamese police are more likely to perceive it as a death threat with a chorus.

Nahs viral hit is now doubly dangerous. Its become the anthem of an anti-communist movement to convince Vietnams youth that theyre zombies manipulated by the state. The song was just a kickstart to get this whole movement going, Nah says.

As in the West, many urban youth in 21st-century Vietnam are more enamored with lattes and Facebook likes than social upheaval. Only recently has Vietnam, a nation devastated by war and colonial plunder in the 20th century, given rise to a young generation that can aspire toward conspicuous consumption.

The song laments that this whole generation has been brainwashed ... like zombies and that their apathy is prolonging the Communist Partys reign. Too many Vietnamese youth dont care about social issues, Nah says. They just spend their time gossiping and being materialistic.

Until recently, the movement existed largely online. It urged a simple act of rebellion: posting its logo, a cartoon zombie, on social media. Its the same way that, in the US, you see people changing their avatar to promote gay pride or immigration issues, Trinh says.

But Vietnamese youth have more to lose, she says. Their employment prospects will be quite low if theyre identified as a dissident.

Organizers are now beginning to move the campaign into the streets and police arent pleased. On July 11, a small gathering of activists wearing T-shirts with the movements zombie logo were detained by police in Ho Chi Minh City.

All were sent home except for the lead organizer: Nguyen Phi, a rapper cooperating with Nah. Police raided Phis home and confiscated a stash of zombie T-shirts, according to Viet Tan. He has yet to be released.

Theyre trying to kill off this movement from the beginning, Nah says. Police in Ho Chi Minh City are also contacting Nahs family, he says, and his parents have considered disowning him.

My parents lived through the war and saw some crazy stuff. They know who theyre up against, Nah says. At first, they told me, Well just tell the police that we dont want you as a son anymore. But so far, he says, they havent abandoned him even though my dads hair, after six months, has turned all white.

When Nah returns to Vietnam next year, he hopes the zombie movement will have grown into a formidable anti-communist force. Hes even released a manifesto for the crusade, which is inspired by pro-democracy uprisings in Hong Kong and Americas Occupy Wall Street campaign.

As a Vietnamese kid growing up in Southeast Asia, Im supposed to be a nobody, Nah says. But somethings leading me down this course. I really relate to young, black America ... that whole culture with people like Tupac, Nas, Kanye West. Ive grown up idolizing these rappers and its inspiring me to do something great.

Nah will almost certainly be detained once he returns to Vietnam, says Nguyen Van Dai, an attorney in Vietnam who specializes in human rights.

But as a young first offender, Dai says, Nah might actually be released as long as he promises to stop making songs about the Communist Party. If he persists, Nah may be sentenced to anywhere between three and 20 years for spreading propaganda against the state.

For now, Nah insists hes resigned to doing time. In true hip-hop fashion, he plans to be as uncooperative with police as possible. Ill just keep silent at all times, Nah says.

http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/styles/w768/public/photos/201507/zombie_vietnam.jpg?itok=SO_q3K0p
The logo of Vietnam's youth "zombie" movement.

Taken From: http://www.globalpost.com/article/6621001/2015/07/24/rap-anthem-called-fk-communism-going-viral-vietnam

The Manifesto: http://www.triethocduongpho.com/2015/01/13/thu-gui-dang-cong-san-va-tat-ca-nguoi-viet-tu-nah-rapper/

The Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWxFIH4_dE&feature=youtu.be

This Vietnamese Communism sounds awfully like capitalism, doesn't it.

John Nada
30th July 2015, 06:20
Ironically the CPV also said "Fuck communism".:(

Dude's a fucking an-cap! He thinks Vietnam should gets rid of the "crony capitalists selling out to Communist China" and allies with "free" countries the US, NATO, Japan and the Philippines. Somehow, privatizing the entire state will prevent Chinese capitalists from just buying the whole damn country anyway, and the US "investing" is better. Because having a corporate landlord with complete control over your life(NAP) is "freedom". Not anything like serfdom or slavery.:lol:

This right-"libertarian" nonsense seems like it's spreading out of the US. Nah studied in the US, but I've heard similar slogans against "crony capitalists" in reactionary protests like in Venezuela, Thailand, and Ukraine. They claim "true capitalism" is great, but it's just tainted by "cronies"(often with anti-Semitic undertones, anti-Chinese in the case of Nah's song). To an-caps, the state is somehow a corrupting influence hold them back from their petty-bourgeois dreams.

The real problem is imperialist capitalism. The state's bureaucracy is just a tool of the bourgeoisie under imperialist capitalism. If an-caps had their way, the bourgeoisie would just make a new state ran by new "cronies" without any pretenses of democracy whatsoever.

Atsumari
30th July 2015, 07:30
There is really nothing controversial about his hate for the Vietnamese government, but this guy sounds like he does not know what he is talking about when it comes to political terminology. On top of that, he is an entrepreneur student and talking from experience, they tended to be disappointments, mostly spewing libertarian BS combined with violent anti-Chinese racism.
Just listen to these lyrics though, he surprisingly has a lot in common with anarchists! Talking about how much he hates the cops to the point he wants them dead, officials stealing the people's wealth, disgusted with the mass appeal to pop culture and pissed off people do not get involved with politics, metaphorical zombies and the desire to be free.

John Nada
30th July 2015, 13:54
There is really nothing controversial about his hate for the Vietnamese government, but this guy sounds like he does not know what he is talking about when it comes to political terminology. On top of that, he is an entrepreneur student and talking from experience, they tended to be disappointments, mostly spewing libertarian BS combined with violent anti-Chinese racism.Yeah I've heard about the hate for the Vietnamese government and anti-Chinese sentiment.

I believe in the comments on one of his videos he said he's an "anarcho"-capitalist and recommended reading Von Mises and co. So yeah, followers of Austrian "economics" don't know what they're talking about.:)
Just listen to these lyrics though, he surprisingly has a lot in common with anarchists! Talking about how much he hates the cops to the point he wants them dead, officials stealing the people's wealth, disgusted with the mass appeal to pop culture and pissed off people do not get involved with politics, metaphorical zombies and the desire to be free.I was hoping at first that he meant libertarian in the classical sense, anarchists. Nah, "anarcho"-capitalist recuperate a lot of real anarchist rhetoric. That brainwashed zombie shit seems similar to that whole "wake up sheeple!". A lot of an-caps don't like taxpayer funded cops either.

He rapped about united everyone, including patriotic small and big businesses, as well as patriotic parties, to fight corrupt government bureaucrats getting rich helping China exploit Vietnam. That's an anti-imperialist united front against comprador bureaucratic capitalism and Chinese social imperialism. He might become a Maoist.:lol:

MarxSchmarx
1st August 2015, 03:37
Moved to music from politics.

I'll add for what it's worth I'm partial to the critique of this video. Nguyen is right - the CPV has no business advancing the vision of socialism. I can only share the hope of other posters that his disillusionment will lead him and those inspired by his message away from silly capitalist restorationism to some sort of genuine change. In some respects, I wonder if our movement can seek to find a future in partisans within "socialist" states that seek to realize the dreams of an earlier era.

Asero
10th August 2015, 14:22
Moved to music from politics.

I'll add for what it's worth I'm partial to the critique of this video. Nguyen is right - the CPV has no business advancing the vision of socialism. I can only share the hope of other posters that his disillusionment will lead him and those inspired by his message away from silly capitalist restorationism to some sort of genuine change. In some respects, I wonder if our movement can seek to find a future in partisans within "socialist" states that seek to realize the dreams of an earlier era.

I put it in politics because I thought the political dimensions interested me more than the song itself, but that's just me.

It's weird how the structure of political and civil society determines normative ideological discourse. The way I see it, if the Vietnamese state hadn't used the corpse of a Communist revolution as a means of legitimization, that man would have been a Communist.

Comrade Jacob
10th August 2015, 15:00
Angsty little wank

Atsumari
10th August 2015, 16:09
Angsty little wank
Knowing your posts, both political and non-political, this shit is the kind thing I want to see, especially from you. Someone has legitimate political grievances and you call him a wank. Doesn't that kind of condescension sound pretty similar?

Hezadukii92
10th August 2015, 16:27
Any real world implication of state socialist theory that end sup leading to the abject poverty and misery of the working people of that society isn't really socialism, or so the State socialists would have you believe. Every manifestation of their political and economic ideology has simply been hijacked and abused. It failing everywhere is not proof it does not work.

Employing the dialectic today, what would your analysis say about these regimes ? The fact that people in this thread are defending a "socialist" government that operates vast sweat shops, openly allows child prostitution and has draconian laws against freedom and liberty of the individual, should really tell you how far marxism has come from its basic premise which was an analytical way to view society to a weird religious and political doctrine that has caused terror and misery everywhere it has been implemented.

At least the Anarchists are fun to do drugs with and have cracking taste in music.

Asero
10th August 2015, 17:08
Any real world implication of state socialist theory that end sup leading to the abject poverty and misery of the working people of that society isn't really socialism, or so the State socialists would have you believe. Every manifestation of their political and economic ideology has simply been hijacked and abused. It failing everywhere is not proof it does not work.

Employing the dialectic today, what would your analysis say about these regimes ? The fact that people in this thread are defending a "socialist" government that operates vast sweat shops, openly allows child prostitution and has draconian laws against freedom and liberty of the individual, should really tell you how far marxism has come from its basic premise which was an analytical way to view society to a weird religious and political doctrine that has caused terror and misery everywhere it has been implemented.

I recommend you actually read Marx and Engels. I would also recommend Lenin, but the mere mention of the infamous 'authoritarian' Engels alone makes Anarchists recoil in distaste, let alone the Lenin of Leninism. Smash your political illusions lest you get consumed by them.

You mention dialectics, but your position against Marxism is wholly ahistorical and idealist. Instead of viewing a political ideas as being in constant development, changing in every which way as due course of changed circumstance that surround political phenomena, you abstract Marxism (and its consequences) throughout history as being as it now as you perceive it detached from its own concrete developments. An idea, to you, universally leads to the same consequences in despite the material contexts in which they arise.

Sure, you concede that Marxism started as "an analytical way to view society", but this is direct contradiction to its successive statement, that it has become "a weird religious and political doctrine". Typical anti-Communist slander, to remove Marx from Marxism and portray Marxism as a dogma. What happens is that movements become entrenched into the functioning of capitalist society, and therefore the movement and the theory of the movement becomes immersed into near-moribund contradictions. People see these developing or matured contradictions and desire a return to proper revolutionary theory with its ensuing tactics and strategy, and the most common way is through a "Return to Marx".

"Anarchism was not infrequently a kind of punishment for the opportunist sins of the working-class movement." - Lenin, "Left-wing" Communism. In State and Revolution, when Lenin criticizes Parliamentary democracy, he accuses the Kautskyist Social-Democratic "Centre" and the Second International in general of being lenient to parliamentary democracy to the point of rejecting the conclusion that state needed to be "smashed," leading people to go towards Anarcho-syndicalism despite Anarcho-syndicalism's own problems. People often go to Anarchism not just because they seek liberty, are anti-authoritarian Federalists, and agree with anarchism wholly with all its faults, but because of a disillusionment of the failures of the "Marxist" Left. An outgrowth in Anarchism may be, in some cases, traced to the moribund contradictions of "Marxist" movements.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind a healthy Anarchist movement in Indochina; it's better then nothing and the 'opportunist sins' of the "Marxists" there run deeper then anywhere else. If Marx can support the Narodniks despite wholly disagreeing with them, I can do the same to Indochinese Anarchists.

Hezadukii92
10th August 2015, 17:17
I recommend you actually read Marx and Engels. I would also recommend Lenin, but the mere mention of the infamous 'authoritarian' Engels alone makes Anarchists recoil in distaste, let alone the Lenin of Leninism. Smash your political illusions lest you get consumed by them.

You mention dialectics, but your position against Marxism is wholly ahistorical and idealist. Instead of viewing a political ideas as being in constant development, changing in every which way as due course of changed circumstance that surround political phenomena, you abstract Marxism (and its consequences) throughout history as being as it now as you perceive it detached from its own concrete developments. An idea, to you, universally leads to the same consequences in despite the material contexts in which they arise.

Sure, you concede that Marxism started as "an analytical way to view society", but this is direct contradiction to its successive statement, that it has become "a weird religious and political doctrine". Typical anti-Communist slander, to remove Marx from Marxism and portray Marxism as a dogma. What happens is that movements become entrenched into the functioning of capitalist society, and therefore the movement and the theory of the movement becomes immersed into near-moribund contradictions. People see these developing or matured contradictions and desire a return to proper revolutionary theory with its ensuing tactics and strategy, and the most common way is through a "Return to Marx".

"Anarchism was not infrequently a kind of punishment for the opportunist sins of the working-class movement." - Lenin, "Left-wing" Communism. In State and Revolution, when Lenin criticizes Parliamentary democracy, he accuses the Kautskyist Social-Democratic "Centre" and the Second International in general of being lenient to parliamentary democracy to the point of rejecting the conclusion that state needed to be "smashed," leading people to go towards Anarcho-syndicalism despite Anarcho-syndicalism's own problems. People often go to Anarchism not just because they seek liberty, are anti-authoritarian Federalists, and agree with anarchism wholly with all its faults, but because of a disillusionment of the failures of the "Marxist" Left. An outgrowth in Anarchism may be, in some cases, traced to the moribund contradictions of "Marxist" movements.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind a healthy Anarchist movement in Indochina; it's better then nothing and the 'opportunist sins' of the "Marxists" there run deeper then anywhere else. If Marx can support the Narodniks despite wholly disagreeing with them, I can do the same to Indochinese Anarchists.

I actually right in front of me now have two of Lenin's, one of Trotsky's and three by Karl Marx. I also have some new cooking books and I bought a hardcover of my favourite book, an autobiography by a member of the Black Panther Party called Flores Forbes, the book is called will you die with me.

MarxSchmarx
12th September 2015, 03:31
I put it in politics because I thought the political dimensions interested me more than the song itself, but that's just me.


That's totally cool, I get that. My only response is that at the end of the day, it serves as a healthy reminder for those checking out this forum that all music is political ;)