Turkey bombs PKK bases in Iraq

[soup]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/25/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-idUSKCN0PZ03J20150725

[Sasha]

Anyone else got a feeling that this all rather well timed with a possible snap ellection coming up? Maybe the AKP is banking on that a reescalation of the kurdish conflict will push enough non kurdish voters away from the HDP so that they wont make the ellections treshold and the AKP gets an absolute mojority again?

[The Feral Underclass]

Anyone else got a feeling that this all rather well timed with a possible snap ellection coming up? Maybe the AKP is banking on that a reescalation of the kurdish conflict will push enough non kurdish voters away from the HDP so that they wont make the ellections treshold and the AKP gets an absolute mojority again?

Probably. Getting the green-light from America has made it all the more easy.

[Comrade Jacob]

God dammit, haven't the Kurds got enough shit on their plate?

[khad]

Everyone seems to have missed this report a few weeks ago, but it's highly relevant given recent events. The KDP (really, the personality cult of the Barzani clan) has been putting pressure on the PKK to leave the recently-bombed sites for months now:

http://www.basnews.com/en/news/2015/07/04/masrour-barzani-pkk-should-pullout-of-qandil-and-sinjar/

The conspiracy theorists are already out on full force on this one; I'm seeing accusations that the KDP provided targeting intel for the Turkish airforce. Not entirely unreasonable, given that Iraqi Kurdistan was the site of a vicious civil war less than a generation ago.

[Sasha]

twitter account that tries to keep up with whats happening despite the twitter blackout in turkey; https://twitter.com/occupiedtaksim

[khad]

Interesting unconfirmed report, but highly plausible given the historical links between the PUK and the Iranians. The PUK is the primary opposition party in Iraqi Kurdistan, which fought a civil war against the ruling KDP in the 90s (alongside the PKK). They are the chief political support for the YPG/PKK in Iraq, and it's very likely that they've taken up a mediation role between the Iranians and those groups. Jalal Talabani, the PUK party head, is a well-known old associate of Qassem Solemani.

http://mebriefing.com/?p=1825




Some unconfirmed reports point to recent contacts between the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan-Syria (PUK) and the YPG (People’s Protection Units) which is affiliated to the PKK. The YPG is very active in North Syria. The content of the recent meetings was said to be the future of North Syria and a plan to open channels of contacts between the YPG and Tehran. The PUK is known as an extension of a similar Iraqi entity. The PUK in Iraq is known for its strong ties with the Iranians since its members found refuge in Iran during their fight against Saddam Hussein.

The Iranian proposal conveyed by the PUK to the YPG was allegedly made in Sulaymaniyah between some leaders of the PUK and representatives of the Iranian IRGC sometime late June. The content of the proposal is to coordinate with Assad forces in the North of Syria in return for giving Syria’s Kurds all the support that could be given by the Syrian regime under the circumstances. A promise of an autonomous region in future Syria and of PUK assistance was also given on behalf of Tehran, Assad and the leadership of the PUK. We cannot confirm this information as it could not be verified by independent sources. We were left only with events on the ground to provide any evidence that such a deal was indeed conveyed.

With the US prioritizing its NATO alliances, support must be sought from wherever possible.

Also the largest "Syrian" rebel militia, Jaysh-al-Islam under Zahran Alloush, has declared war on the PKK. Thankfully they're not active in the north yet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKyoM8PWsAAU-ft.jpg

[StromboliFucker666]

It makes me sad that people attack the PKK. They're doomed to fail IMHO but they don't deserve to be attacked like this.


I can't wait until capitalism dies out. Shit like this wouldn't be happening if capitalism never existed.

[Alet]

I don't think that this deserves a new thread, so I'm asking here... Recently I've read some very different articles about the PKK and Kurdistan, and I'm still not sure how I should think of the PKK. On the one hand they fight for democratic confederalism and social emancipation, but on the other this is also criticized (http://www.autistici.org/tridnivalka/pkk-democratic-confederalism-and-nonsense/), there are forced recruitments, etc. Why doesn't that delegitimize them or why do many leftists support the PKK?

[khad]

I don't think that this deserves a new thread, so I'm asking here... Recently I've read some very different articles about the PKK and Kurdistan, and I'm still not sure how I should think of the PKK. On the one hand they fight for democratic confederalism and social emancipation, but on the other this is also criticized (http://www.autistici.org/tridnivalka/pkk-democratic-confederalism-and-nonsense/), there are forced recruitments, etc. Why doesn't that delegitimize them or why do many leftists support the PKK?
Surely, there are many, many things to criticize about the cult-like PKK, but the bigger issue in the region at this point is that anything to prevent Erdogan's neo-Ottoman restoration project (with himself as the True Caliph), is critical.

Let's make no mistake what a cancer the AKP and its Grey Wolf allies are to the entire middle east. Right now, those fascists are using this crisis as an excuse to formally outlaw opposition to their rule. This is much, much bigger than just the PKK.

Shaho Awîer Çwarbaxî ‏@shahoG (https://twitter.com/shahoG) 3h3 hours ago (https://twitter.com/shahoG/status/625409558786244608) Seems that AKP and MHP have begun lobbying for the formal closure of #HDP (https://twitter.com/hashtag/HDP?src=hash) - this will seal the deal on the end of the peace process for sure

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238&nID=85965&NewsCatID=338

[khad]

Just found this Turkish conspiracy copypasta in the wild. It offers some real insight into the diseased mind of your average neo-Ottoman Islamist. Bow down to Erdogan, the one true commander of the faithful (caliph)!


I want to inform all the people of the world about what is going on in the Eastern Syria border of Turkey.


USA and other western powers are allying with Iran to sweep Sunni Muslims from Syria and Iraq.

They are planning to establish three different countries and submit the administration of these countries to Iran (Shiites).

First of all, as Muslims we are Brothers and are all equal before Allah (Sunni or Shiites). However Iran and western countries want to use the sectarian difference and divide Muslims.

They destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt and Yemen and now they are planning to execute their evil plans in Turkey.

This is why a bomb-suicide was executed in the eastern part of Turkey killing at least 30 people by either a member of PKK (YPG) or Isis which has no difference. Armenians and non-Muslim Kurds are providing misinformation deliberately. Those who are opposed to Sunni Muslim world are also supporting them.

The story is; the parliament members of HDP (political wing of PKK and YPG terrorist organizations) made a call to young people claiming to take them to Syria. They were supposed to gather in the meeting point to make a speech. The students came to the meeting point as planned. But HDP parliaments did not come. And a suicide bomb was executed at the point.

Even a dumbest person would know this had been planned by HDP. However all the world stands against Turkey claiming the government had done it!

All the time the same scenario of HDP (The political wing of PKK-YPG terrorist group) is executed in the region. They launch suicide attacks against civilians and blame the government in order to earn the sympathy of voters.

Turkey stands as the only protector of Sunni world in the region and Western powers want to remove Turkey's effect in the Middle East. West has negotiated with Iran to submit the control of whole region. Iran is their new and last favorite ally.

They are using Kurds and Armenians in the region and try to show them as hero with their stand against Isis.

Although we know that Isis was organized by UK and its evil allies. They are lying to the whole world claiming Turkey helps Isis. Turkey is supporting opposition groups in Syria against Isis and regime and ISIS has threatened Turkey for doing so. But still, evil plan makers are trying to calumniate Turkey over ISIS.

I want to ask a question. Although Iraq and Syria have plain straight lands, USA keeps targeting wrong bases in airstrikes and kills opposition groups in Syria. Isis also attacks opposition groups. Assad regime makes the same. Iran and Hezbollah also. They are all targeting Turkey and Fatah Army (opposition army against regime). How would you explain this?

The situation in Syria is explained below;

Iran; remains against Turkey and Fatah army in the region. Hezbollah; remains against Turkey and Fatah army in the region. ISIS; remains against Turkey and Fatah army in the region. YPG and PKK; remain against Turkey and Fatah army in the region. USA and Coalition; remain against Turkey and Fatah army in the region.

Turkey with Erdogan, wants to protect the rights of Sunni people in the region, yet western powers and Iran try to prevent this. They want to use ISIS instead of Al Qaeda in order to spread and create the perception of “Islamic terrorism”. This is how they survive in the Middle East.

And they know Turkey’s Erdogan is the only guy who can stand and fight against them. This is why they are executing suicide bombs inside Turkey and blaming Erdogan for supporting ISIS which actually is totally opposite. USA, YPG, Assad Regime, PKK, Hezbollah and Iran are the biggest ally of ISIS in the region. Because without ISIS, they wouldn’t be able to exist in the region. This is the summary of the story.

I like how this rant starts out mentioning Sunni-Shia unity but forgets all about that as it's salivating over the notion of a Turkish caliphate. Can I have some severed head cheese with that tak-beer?

[Proletarius]

This was all inevitably going to happen.

Erdogan is using the Islamists to weaken the PKK, now he's aiding them even more with these strikes (something I did not expect actually, Erdogan is more fucked up than I expected) but the Islamists are merely useful stooges for Erdogan, I suspect when the PKK and other Kurdish groups have been weakened enough for Erdogan's liking, he will go full guns blazing after the Islamists and the world will see him as some great saviour and the one that has finally took action on Daesh and their related allies.

Erdogan removes 2 enemies of his and also improves the world's view of him, while also using it all to distract people and play up the need for more power and hopefully, push non-Kurdish people away from the HDP. It's simply a series of wins here for Erdogan. I'm sure he can't believe his luck at the size of this opportunity.

[Sasha]

Though i read it wasnt the non-kurdish support that pushed the HDP over the treshold but conservative Kurds who previously voted AKP. So this might even strenghten them in the end.

[Proletarius]

Though i read it wasnt the non-kurdish support that pushed the HDP over the treshold but conservative Kurds who previously voted AKP. So this might even strenghten them in the end.

Hopefully so. Anything but Erdogan, should be the aim of those voting in Turkey.

[Proletarius]

Just found this Turkish conspiracy copypasta in the wild. It offers some real insight into the diseased mind of your average neo-Ottoman Islamist. Bow down to Erdogan, the one true commander of the faithful (caliph)!



I like how this rant starts out mentioning Sunni-Shia unity but forgets all about that as it's salivating over the notion of a Turkish caliphate. Can I have some severed head cheese with that tak-beer?

I caught a tweet by that Turkish whacko Islamist Harun Yahya, saying that the PKK are a far bigger threat than ISIS. I mean, fuck, how can anyone really believe this? This is a group enslaving women, beheading people that has essentially declared war on the entire world for not being Islamic enough.

[Sasha]

Mwah, the MHP fash are at least as bad and the CHP are just as corrupt, same shit, different gravy.
But yeah, erdoghan certainly has despotic aims, with the dismantling of the army power im curious how this will end.
A Kurdish intifada coinciding with popular leftist and middle class progresive ghezi style unrest could certainly upend the country.

[Proletarius]

Mwah, the MHP fash are at least as bad and the CHP are just as corrupt, same shit, different gravy.
But yeah, erdoghan certainly has despotic aims, with the dismantling of the army power im curious how this will end.
A Kurdish intifada coinciding with popular leftist and middle class progresive ghezi style unrest could certainly upend the country.

That reminds me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_%28organization%29

Does anyone remember when this emerged? Looking back, it seems like it was all just a front so the military could be weakened for the implementation of neo-Ottoman policy.

Notice those who apparently found this mysterious group were all Islamists? It just sounds like a fabrication to strip the largely secular army of it's power.

I could be way off though.

[Sasha]

I caught a tweet by that Turkish whacko Islamist Harun Yahya, saying that the PKK are a far bigger threat than ISIS. I mean, fuck, how can anyone really believe this? This is a group enslaving women, beheading people that has essentially declared war on the entire world for not being Islamic enough.

Turkish Islamists think that the caliphate can coincide with the otteman empire reconstruction project of erdoghan, they don't realise (or pretend to not know) that the Salafists see the the ottoman caliphs as upsurpers and will never accept a non-arab with no family lineage to the prophet as caliph.

[Sasha]

That reminds me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_%28organization%29

Does anyone remember when this emerged? Looking back, it seems like it was all just a front so the military could be weakened for the implementation of neo-Ottoman policy.

Notice those who apparently found this mysterious group were all Islamists? It just sounds like a fabrication to strip the largely secular army of it's power.

I could be way off though.

I think the organization was real enough, the deepstate and Gladio like organizations have been a constant in Turkish politics, but I doubt many of the people arrested under that pretext where actual members. It was indeed a convieniant stick to hit the dog with.

[Proletarius]

Turkish Islamists think that the caliphate can coincide with the otteman empire reconstruction project of erdoghan, they don't realise (or pretend to not know) that the Salafists see the the ottoman caliphs as upsurpers and will never accept a non-arab with no family lineage to the prophet as caliph.

I always have to laugh at these religious movements claiming to be universal when in fact, they tend to be deeply racist. Harun Yahya insists that the Middle East and Islamic world will only be at it's best under Turkish rule.

He proposes a "Turkish-Islamic Union" headed of course by Turkey.

What I am noticing amonst Daesh which seems exclusive to Daesh really is the apocalyptic cultism they seem to have going on. al Qaeda didn't have this.

Daesh think the latest attempt at a buffer zone (which coicindentally is near Dabiq, where they believe the final battle will take place) will usher in the apocalypse. We're dealing with some seriously fucked up people here.

[Proletarius]

I think the organization was real enough, the deepstate and Gladio like organizations have been a constant in Turkish politics, but I doubt many of the people arrested under that pretext where actual members. It was indeed a convieniant stick to hit the dog with.

That's what I thought. It all seems rather convenient and now I suspect, it has lead to what we see now with Erdogan.

The faith the religious have extends even to figures they admire, they still believe he's some religious Ottoman restorationist despite him banning Youtube for someone leaking conversations related to the corruption that's been going on.

Sure, he's religious but he's nowhere near as pristine as they are making out. Surely, a thief is to be criticised?

[Sasha]

To be fair, a NATO incursion (the army of the anti-Christ according to Daesh) into Syria might well lead to the downfall of the Daesh Caliphate and seriously escalate tensions in not only syria but maybe as far as jemen, Iran and Jordan.

[Proletarius]

To be fair, a NATO incursion (the army of the anti-Christ according to Daesh) into Syria might well lead to the downfall of the Daesh Caliphate and seriously escalate tensions in not only syria but maybe as far as jemen, Iran and Jordan.

The problem is they're all shit scared of each other. The Shia are worried Daesh will kill them and the Sunnis are scared the Shia will kill them. This is what usually happens when Sunnis liberate a Shia region or the reverse. The result is they go to whoever seems the strongest and most blood thirsty yet on their "team" to get protection from revenge attacks. Religion is just awful.

The irony is, this is the strategy of Daesh and al Qaeda. Bin Laden had mentioned it in the past a "death by a thousand cuts" strategy, long drawn out warfare to drain Western economies.

We need to tackle the causes rather than fighting the results.