Why Do Palestinians Use Children As Human Shields?

[Slobo Is God]

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/hamas-human-shields.jpg

[Iepilei]

cause they're sick twisted fundamentalists.

[Hiero]

I dont see how they actually are it doesnt look like they are being forced. I think also many countries that have been in war for years apon years people seem to have less wory about gun fire since they havent been shielded form violence.

[shakermaker]

i agree with comrade neonate,
that picture doesn't say anything about palestinians using kids as human shields!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'd like to use SiG as a human shield...

Honestly, haven't you got anything better tod o with our time?

[Saint-Just]

Because some Israeli soldiers may hesitate before shooting if there are so many children surrounding those men.

Also, foreign media attention is brought if palestinian children die. In some cases the Israelis have disregarded the lives of Palestinian children though. Also, the foreign media attention does not seem to have aided the Palestinians that greatly, but perhaps it will in the future.

These children do not appear to have been forced to stand there, but it is possible. More likely though is that they want to stand there, many Palestinian children support this cause and will put themselves in such danger for it.

[Hampton]

I only see two kids in that picture and by sheild you'd think they'd be in front of the guy with the gun, which they're not.

[Intifada]

Because some Israeli soldiers may hesitate before shooting if there are so many children surrounding those men.

the israeli soldiers dont give a fucking squirt of piss about any palestinian.

there is no evidence suggesting that the children have been forced to be used as human shields.

sig, you are nothing but a disillusioned zionist motherfucker.

[Slobo Is God]

Of course they are not being "forced" to be there. Those kids are taught Jihad as soon as they leave the womb.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 03:50 PM

Because some Israeli soldiers may hesitate before shooting if there are so many children surrounding those men.

the israeli soldiers dont give a fucking squirt of piss about any palestinian.

there is no evidence suggesting that the children have been forced to be used as human shields.

sig, you are nothing but a disillusioned zionist motherfucker.
The Israeli army may enjoy killing Palestinians on the whole, however I would suggest that there are a number of them who would hesitate in killing Palestinian children. The children are there to protect the gunmen.

And, I said, these children do not appear to have been forced to stand there, but it is possible. I think it is possible that some stand there due to peer pressure and that if they were not stood there they may be seen as cowards. I think that is not necessarily the case, but it is a possiblity. I imagine if you were brought up there you may think of a child who did not join the struggle as a coward.

I do not know exactly what Slobo is God is trying to say here though.

[Intifada]

Those kids are taught Jihad as soon as they leave the womb.

do you actually know what jihad is?

[bubbrubb]

they realize most sane people wont shoot with children nearby

and maybe the fact that they are insane j/k

[antieverything]

Nobody should get their hopes up about media coverage of dead Palestinian children. Did you see the BBC footage of two Palestinian kids running away from an advancing tank that subsequently shoots them--in broad daylight--here in the US?

[Xvall]

Jihad is a deed in the service of god. This can range from a donation to building a temple. It's the same as 'virtue'.

[Solace]

Actually, Jihad is a very meaningful word. It is used - and often twisted - for many things.


Jihad [sometimes referred to as the sixth pillar of Islam] is to strive against evil, wherever it is found.

[Y2A]

Simple. Because if it comes out on the news that palestinian children were killed in an Israeli attack it gives Hamas the upper hand. All sides use these dirty tricks. You think the Mossad don't do anything similar to this?

But in general on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I believe that both sides are wrong. They both fail to realize that suicide bombings and more settlements solve nothing.

Edit: But I warn you Sam or Alex or whoever you really are, that most people on these boards are blinded by there hatred towards the Israelis and won't believe any of these dirty tricks are true and will right them off as "western propaganda". However it is good to see that at least Chairman Mao and some others see beyond this.

[Osman Ghazi]

It isn't like they are being forced against their will.
So if they are taught to hate Israelis by, i dunno, say, being impoverished and mistreated by them all their lives, then they are suddenly morally bad people?
Their attitudes are made by their surroundings.
It is the responsibilty of Israel to stop. I think that everyone agrees that it would be impossible to reign in the suicide bombers as they are not a centralized, well-controlled, well-disciplined organization like say, the state of Israel. Israeli culpability is even higher than that of the suicide bombers because they have the power to stop whereas anyone who tried to adovocate peace in Hamas would be shot as a traitor.

[shintso]

The Israeli army may enjoy killing Palestinians on the whole, however I would suggest that there are a number of them who would hesitate in killing Palestinian children. The children are there to protect the gunmen.

the israeli army may enjoy killing palestinians?! how many israeli soldiers have you ever met? im 18 next month, and im being recruited in the summer. most of my friends who are bigger than me in one year are, as we speak, patrolling Gaza. they are kids just like the most of us. they dont enjoy killing anyone, they try to avoid confrontation and they just want to get home safely in the weekend. that's the israeli army for you. besides, the children are there to protect and adore the gunman. israeli soldiers will not shot children even if its to save their own life. my cousin was injured pretty bad in Lebanon after a bomb went off near him. the bomb was set inside a school and my cousin and his men were sent to evacuate the children, that was when the terrorists blow up the bomb. and there are hundreds of stories just like this one.
ofcourse not all israeli soldiers are saints. there a lot of extremists serving in the militery, but the chain of commands does everything it can do to restrain them, and its working quite well.

And, I said, these children do not appear to have been forced to stand there, but it is possible. I think it is possible that some stand there due to peer pressure and that if they were not stood there they may be seen as cowards. I think that is not necessarily the case, but it is a possiblity. I imagine if you were brought up there you may think of a child who did not join the struggle as a coward.
this is very true. but the cause of this is in fact the palastinian education system. they have hamas camp and school, tv programs, comixes, all filled with hatred and brainwash against the "zionist conquarer".


do you actually know what jihad is?
do you? jihad means holy-war - fighting for something you believe in. thats it. the crusades where christen jihad just as much as mother teresa. jihad inst equivilant directly towards terror. but, it speaks only to religous fundamentalists, who need the holy excuse to go to war.

Nobody should get their hopes up about media coverage of dead Palestinian children. Did you see the BBC footage of two Palestinian kids running away from an advancing tank that subsequently shoots them--in broad daylight--here in the US?
what the hell are you talking about? no such footage had ever been shown. you must be confused with kosovo. the famous picture you refering to is the one with the tank towards a single man throwing stones at it. israeli militery units do not open fire and dont miss. israel care more about the bullets it shots (last year our school went for a week length simulation of the army, they taught us how to shoot, and then we were asked to retrieve our bullets). bullets cost money and thats something israel dont have. you wont see an israeli tank shooting wildly, no where.

Simple. Because if it comes out on the news that palestinian children were killed in an Israeli attack it gives Hamas the upper hand. All sides use these dirty tricks. You think the Mossad don't do anything similar to this?
true. but the mossad has nothing to with it. two years ago a suicide bomber bombed a nightclub in tel aviv killing 21 teenagers and wounding dozens. you think israel didnt use this for publicity?

But in general on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I believe that both sides are wrong. They both fail to realize that suicide bombings and more settlements solve nothing.
i agree. if it was that simple, it would have been done a long time ago

[mia wallace]

it it sick what they're doing..... i don't really get the point.
i know only one thing for sure - no metter jihad or not; i wouldn't like to be there.

anyways, i don't believe in such a thing as holy war. (in my opinion) no war can be holy, it's non-sense for me :blink:

[shintso]

nyways, i don't believe in such a thing as holy war. (in my opinion) no war can be holy, it's non-sense for me
that right, its your opinion. you come from a different background and so you know better (by your standards, which are the same as mine).
look at it this way. israel was given its own territory in order to create its country back in 1948. what happend next? independance war. amreican settlers trying to break free from england and create their own counrty, what do they do? independance war. how can get independance without war? the palestinian goal. not to form a country, even israel supports that, but to fight in order to form a country,

[mia wallace]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 01:30 AM

anyways, i don't believe in such a thing as holy war. (in my opinion) no war can be holy, it's non-sense for me
that right, its your opinion. you come from a different background and so you know better (by your standards, which are the same as mine).
look at it this way. israel was given its own territory in order to create its country back in 1948. what happend next? independance war. amreican settlers trying to break free from england and create their own counrty, what do they do? independance war. how can get independance without war? the palestinian goal. not to form a country, even israel supports that, but to fight in order to form a country,
i know there are reasons for that belief and i respect that, but it still isn&#39;t right for me to sacrifice children... <_<

[Osman Ghazi]

But Britain didn&#39;t have the right to just arbitrarily give away countries.
Otherwise I don&#39;t get what your saying: You support the Israeli war of independance but not the Palestinian?
By the by, I know we were talking about this on another thread but how diferent are the Arab dialects and does every Arab country have them?

[shintso]

But Britain didn&#39;t have the right to just arbitrarily give away countries.
the british got permission to rule palestine after ww1 from the league of nations. at the end of the war, when the automainian empire was losing, the britian&#39;s and france&#39;s secrateries of international affairs got together and devided their domination of the middle east (cikes - piko pact). the french ruled lebanon iraq and other countries up north while the british ruled israel and egypt. the ruling itself was not normal, israel wasnt a colony. it was a mandatorial regime, set to train the upcoming country (jewish or arab) in the democratic way of life. the britains didnt just give countries away. on the 29 of november 1947, the un held a vote regarding whether or not the jews should get a country. the un voted yes and the british had to leave.


Otherwise I don&#39;t get what your saying: You support the Israeli war of independance but not the Palestinian?
its all a matter of who shot the first bullet. israel was attacked in war of independance. the palestiniane werent. im not saying im against palestinians getting their well deserved freedom and country, im saying why force a war upon an unwilling country. they just dont want to be given a country, they want to earn a country.


By the by, I know we were talking about this on another thread but how diferent are the Arab dialects and does every Arab country have them?
its not a whole other langauges, but same words have different meanings in every dialict. yes every country has its own diaclect. in some places diffrent villages have different dialect.

[LuZhiming]

Why do Israeli&#39;s use old women as human shields? ( http://hrw.org/reports/2002/israel3/israel...htm#P604_103426 (http://hrw.org/reports/2002/israel3/israel0502-06.htm#P604_103426) )

This sort of rhetoric is meaningless. All it is doing is generalizing and using that generalization as an arguement.

[Osman Ghazi]

Palestine wasn&#39;t attacked?
Lehi and Etzel didn&#39;t shoot the first bullets?
I&#39;m afraid that on this one your just plain wrong.

As for Arab dialects-
Are they different like say Spanish and Portuguese or more like British and American?

[shintso]

Palestine wasn&#39;t attacked?
Lehi and Etzel didn&#39;t shoot the first bullets?
I&#39;m afraid that on this one your just plain wrong.

the etzel and the lehi were formed due to the inefficiancy of the british in protecting the jewish settelments in the "big arab rebellion" of 1929. so no, they didnt shoot the first bullets.

on the dialict matter, i think its more like spanish-portuguese.

[Severian]

Heh. In fact, it&#39;s Israeli soldiers who use Palestinians as human shields. One form of this has even become an official policy called the "neighbor procedure." Look it up if you&#39;re interested.

But the main reason I&#39;m posting here is that I was just reading "American Labor Struggles" by Samuel Yellen and found this passage:


"Then it was impossible to shoot those firing from the shore at
the barges, because the strikers had made a breastwork for themselves
by placing women and children in front and firing from
behind them." This is George Ticknor Curtis’s version of the deliberate volley by the Pinkertons into the crowd of men, women, and children on the
shore.

(Curtis was an anti-union writer.)

Apparently this "human shield" business is an age-old, all-purpose excuse for armed men who have shot down unarmed demonstrators.

[Chormah]

Where is this "Palestine" place you speak of? It sounds interesting, but I&#39;m having trouble finding it on the map. I know it isn&#39;t near us, maybe it&#39;s in the States? Or somewhere in China, perhaps? Help me out here, commodes.

[pandora]

When your house has been buldozed and dad has no work you dang well bet if I was a kid there I&#39;d want to hang out while dad took out the enemy. It&#39;s exciting, and when you&#39;re homeless and ticked off, it&#39;s better than throwing rocks, you may learn how to defend yourself properly and keep from getting shot by hanging out with older cadets.

It&#39;s strange to me when people that live comfortably can&#39;t relate to street justice and life. When you&#39;re in that situation it&#39;s different. It&#39;s a source of pride if the survival of your family is at stake. What else are the kids going to do?