Tia Oso & BAJI Reveal Racism of Sanders Campaign

[QueerVanguard]

So this happened recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiNy6UA7zY Black Alliance for Just Immigration calls out the reformist Sanders idiots for their racism and the response from his supporters is to flood the internet with their special "progressive" brand of racism.

thoughts?

[Atsumari]

You know, I thought there would be something interesting to talk about then I saw that it was QueerVanguard posting this. Bernie can go fuck himself, but this is outright infantile and petty.

[QueerVanguard]

You know, I thought there would be something interesting to talk about then I saw that it was QueerVanguard posting this. Bernie can go fuck himself, but this is outright infantile and petty.

so the concerns of black people are "infantile and pretty" huh? noted

[Atsumari]

You are not the representative of black people so get off your high horse already. Ever since I heard some white people go on about race issues concerning the Asian American communist as you do, I learned to be very wary of such people. And if you happen to white, then my opinion of you has gotten even lower for trying to carry your Burden dear Messiah/Vanguard.

I understand that he has said little about police brutality, institutional racism, and prison reform, but to go so far to say he is RACIST is hyperbolic. Is he running for a position that has contributed to the oppression of PoC? Yes. Is his election campaign mostly in favor of the bourgeoisie, mainly students and white people who are afraid of being demoted from the middle class? Yes. Did he shout down people interrupting his rally by saying "But if you don't want me to be here, that's OK. I don't want to out-scream people." Yes, anyone who is interrupted is not exactly going to react calmly.
There is a new generation of black radicals that are challenging the Democratic Party, and have even taken it to Bernie himself, but you are the first person to denounce him and from what I can see, his movement as racist more so because you are anti-Bernie than anti-racist.

[willowtooth]

none of this "reveals racism of sanders" BAJI crashed the conference (which was packed), honestly they wouldn't even be allowed within 50 feet of a republican conference. Yet at this conference they let Tia Oso on stage too speak for over 20 minutes

They interrupted Martin O'malley former governor of maryland, and former mayor of baltimore not bernie sanders. Right before Bernie Sanders went on stage, o'malley (like an idiot) said "white lives matter, all lives matter" which has become the anti-blm slogan used by white supremacists and the fox news people. Which obviously pissed the crowd off to no end

Say what you want about Sanders, but he was a civil rights activist and marched with Martin Luther King I highly doubt BLM or any black rights group would call sanders a racist, or organize a protest against him

here's the first 40 minutes of that video skip to the 19:30 mark too see when they first started chanting, it wasn't a reaction to anything he said, it was while O'malley was talking about social security
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti2mFehLzjs

[QueerVanguard]

You are not the representative of black people so get off your high horse already.

I represent myself and never claimed anything but, but nice straw person


Ever since I heard some white people go on about race issues concerning the Asian American communist as you do, I learned to be very wary of such people. And if you happen to white, then my opinion of you has gotten even lower for trying to carry your Burden dear Messiah/Vanguard.

I happen to be a transsexual person of color, so please don't talk to me about race issues or oppression. Oh so your Asian American? You people are held up as model minorities, you open stores in the neighborhoods people like me come from and then proceed to kiss white ass and discriminate against us. SO yeah, you can take a flying fuck if you think I'm going to hear you out on this shit.


There is a new generation of black radicals that are challenging the Democratic Party, and have even taken it to Bernie himself,

Yeah you're talking to one.


but you are the first person to denounce him and from what I can see, his movement as racist more so because you are anti-Bernie than anti-racist.

It's both, genius.

[Ocean Seal]

You are not the representative of black people so get off your high horse already. Ever since I heard some white people go on about race issues concerning the Asian American communist as you do, I learned to be very wary of such people. And if you happen to white, then my opinion of you has gotten even lower for trying to carry your Burden dear Messiah/Vanguard.

I understand that he has said little about police brutality, institutional racism, and prison reform, but to go so far to say he is RACIST is hyperbolic. Is he running for a position that has contributed to the oppression of PoC? Yes. Is his election campaign mostly in favor of the bourgeoisie, mainly students and white people who are afraid of being demoted from the middle class? Yes. Did he shout down people interrupting his rally by saying "But if you don't want me to be here, that's OK. I don't want to out-scream people." Yes, anyone who is interrupted is not exactly going to react calmly.
There is a new generation of black radicals that are challenging the Democratic Party, and have even taken it to Bernie himself, but you are the first person to denounce him and from what I can see, his movement as racist more so because you are anti-Bernie than anti-racist.

Bernie has at the very least come to flirt with racism, at least how the left defines it.

In an interview with Vox he replied that "open borders [was] a Koch brother's policy".
Then he went on to say that the rich wanted to flood the country with people who worked for 3-4-5 dollars an hour.

This is beyond ridiculous. Especially the part where he blames low wages on immigrants and claims that we need to take care of ourselves as a priority (because undocumented immigrants are not "us"). This is not only a misleading explanation for low wages, it is patently false that the rich want "open borders". They want workers who are criminalized simply for existing so that they can prevent them from organizing and entering the public eye with the punishment of detention or deportation. These workers are not workers that Bernie cares about, and would likely remain criminalized in his regime. Which would in turn push wages down for "real" American workers. The left cannot endorse a plan which pits one group of workers against another especially when it is effectively based on race.

This is not to say that the Bernie campaign is not worth engaging with, or that the people who support Bernie are racists, or even that Bernie is a racist. But we should be well aware of his limitations, and the fact that his policies would (apparently) be a racist continuation of previous immigration policies.

[Luís Henrique]

So this happened recently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiNy6UA7zY Black Alliance for Just Immigration calls out the reformist Sanders idiots for their racism and the response from his supporters is to flood the internet with their special "progressive" brand of racism.

thoughts?

My first thought is, cui prodest ?

And my second thought is, "Hillary Clinton".

Luís Henrique

[Cliff Paul]

Oh so your Asian American? You people are held up as model minorities, you open stores in the neighborhoods people like me come from and then proceed to kiss white ass and discriminate against us. SO yeah, you can take a flying fuck if you think I'm going to hear you out on this shit.

I feel like this shit is at least worthy of a warning...

[BIXX]

I happen to be a transsexual person of color,

So?

[Ricemilk]

I most agree with this comment:
Bernie has at the very least come to flirt with racism, at least how the left defines it. ...

This is not to say that the Bernie campaign is not worth engaging with, or that the people who support Bernie are racists, or even that Bernie is a racist. But we should be well aware of his limitations, and the fact that his policies would (apparently) be a racist continuation of previous immigration policies.

So it's fair to say I'm not sure if Sanders is, personally, a little bit racist. I honestly don't care; his history of supporting institutional racism is far more relevant. Rush Limbaugh (to take a VERY different example, but bear with me) isn't harmful because he possibly believes some very vile things about POC deep in his heart of hearts, but because his public political work bolsters and gives comfort to institutional racism. He could secretly be an old-labor leftist doing it all for the pension; it wouldn't change his effect on society.

But we need to demystify Sanders to understand him and let's be honest, too, the patronizing racism and concern-trolling exhibited by Sanderites on social media has been astounding. People are gaslighting QueerWhoever a bit at this point by not acknowledging that shit is going on. It's legitimately a nasty, racialized, sexualized environment, like all other Democrat scenes, and if we can't be honest about it, we're worse than useless to any meaningful social revolution. That's not a blanket condemnation, not a direct accusation against Sanders, etc. ... nor is it anything to sweep under the rug for a consistent revolutionary.


Say what you want about Sanders, but he was a civil rights activist and marched with Martin Luther King I highly doubt BLM or any black rights group would call sanders a racist, or organize a protest against him

I wish we could get past lionizing the 1960s marches and everyone who showed up to one in such a totalizing sense. It was very normal for Jews, especially those involved in counterculture as he was, to join any faction of the Civil Rights Movement in an act of enlightened (and unselfish) self-interest.

Much more interesting, if we're going to divine racial attitudes from symbolic political acts, is that his career in federal politics started when he capitalized on an opportunity to wedge into power as a white center-leftist when a socialist Black woman to his left was running an isolated campaign the Party refused to support.

Or that he supported the extradition of Assata Shakur, who he should know would receive unfair negative attention and total character assassination as a Black woman, especially a Communist one, especially who has been accused of firing at a very politically organized set of state troopers.

Or that he voted in favor of the 1990s prison/PIC boom. Or, or, or, or, or, basically his entire fucking existence as a political entity. As revolutionaries we have to be above falling for the "I was a Freedom Rider/went to a march/rally/etc in 1968" gambit. Democrats have been riding that horse in and out of office for decades, and are already years into coopting OWS for the same purposes. Yeah, we know you're a liberal, now explain your votes, Mr. Senator.He explained the prison vote at the time as a necessary compromise to pass certain favorable amendments that wouldn't have passed otherwise. To accept the existence of prisons in a nominally democratic society at all is bad enough, but to actually help welcome in the 'supermax' and law & order regime that has torn apart so many families and inner cities by now on the basis of getting a favorable amendment is cowardly and bad horse-trading in the first place, let's be honest.

Bernie knows a photo op when he sees one and it is naive to suggest that the most public and liberal-accepted action 50 years ago was the one moment that he showed every single possible aspect of his present or future character for easy reading. It's better that he supported the CRM than that he didn't, but it wasn't unexpected or a sign of complete, full-hearted, soberly examined commitment to every aspect of the antiracist struggle. It was showing up to something that was about him too.

You know who else marched in the CRM? Former Congressman and disgraced San Diego Mayor Bob Filner, a partially assimilated Jew like Sanders and (born decades later) myself. You may remember him as the guy who would get women alone after a meeting and then wrestle them into a headlock as he sexually assaulted them. Them, as in a lot, as in he practiced his wrestling moves and had a routine that he got away with several times.

Which we should obviously assume Bernie doesn't do, and all, it's just that showing up to even a dangerous 1960s CRM action doesn't necessarily completely reveal one's character or future political intentions in every possible iteration. Reading the makeup and changing legal situations of left factions in France after their own 1968 revolt (which some leftists first scorned as a petit-bourgeois reaction) is instructive. People change in response to social movements over time, and FFS, this one voted a reactionary one into the catbird seat, arguably even a cryptofascist one. HE ADVOCATED TIGHT BORDER CONTROLS TO PROTECT WHITE WORKERS, FFS. When are we going to stop lying to ourselves about our putative leaders? We've gotta take off our Bernie blinders to offer a useful revolutionary perspective on his whole mess. Is there anything too fascist for the revolutionary left not to praise Sanders on? Like, if he did the Business Plot next week, would that be OK too? Could he kill someone? (Aside from his drone murders, I mean; but there's clearly nothing racist about that.)