Which system best describes my beliefs?

[Rev0lutionary]

I am new to philosiphising about an anarchist-socialist system. I see myself as a libertarian socialist, but from my understanding of what I have read on this site and on others, is that this is a broad term used to describe different types of anarchist socialism. So my question is given these principles listed below which system describes my beliefs the most?

-no social hierarchy. Status derived from contribution to community, political and reformed educational status
-Religion, jobs, & marriage are up to the individual. Free, equal access to healthcare, education, housing, and food provided funded by higher taxation on the mega rich.
- full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.
- The State is abolished. Voluntary citizens councils, trade unions, and workers councils to act in place of the state are created.
- enterprises controlled through councils and direct democracy
- promotes secularism
-no federal reserve central banking. Issued interest free credit
-goods are purchased from a free market where prices represent "the amount of labor necessary to produce an article of exactly similar and equal utility."
- no corporate dictatorship/control
-production made to benefit all humanity, not for private profit and corporations
- anti war
- decriminalize drug use. Addicts are provided rehabilitation housing instead of prison. Funds go to treatment instead of police enforcement
- citizens vote for laws at citizens councils
- workers can create unions, strike and engage in other forms of job actions
- freedom of the press
- laws against discrimination

The idea of a gift economy (anarcho communism) sounds ideal, except I believe that every human being is entitled to a basic standard of living healthcare, shelter, food, and education, so where could this come from in an anarcho communist society?

[ckaihatsu]

Without meaning to offend, what I'll do instead is to critique a few select points to see if the conception you have is coherent and well-founded, or not.





higher taxation on the mega rich.


I'd be interested to know how the rich would get that way within this socio-political context of yours. This follows to the next point:





-no federal reserve central banking. Issued interest free credit


Would only the various types of collectives you specified be able to issue 'free credit', or would *anyone* -- ?

If it's *anyone* then I could see how a rich economic elite could quickly develop in this kind of society, since you would essentially be allowing the formation and expansion of private property (assuming it was overthrown to begin with in the revolution against today's status-quo capitalism).

(Even the 'citizens councils' having the ability to issue credit would be problematic because there'd be no tangible basis for the creation of the credit-value in the first place, as from the basis of *labor* and its production.)

The reasoning here of course is that anyone who partakes of credit would have to make *gains* with it -- profit -- which would then *not* necessarily have to be collectivized since you've stated that 'rich' people exist in this type of society that you're describing.





The idea of a gift economy (anarcho communism) sounds ideal, except I believe that every human being is entitled to a basic standard of living healthcare, shelter, food, and education, so where could this come from in an anarcho communist society?


If 'rich' people -- meaning limitless private accumulations of material gains -- did not have to exist in a collectivist-type society, that would mean that the results of *all* labor would be for the *common* good. People could very well prioritize their labor to produce healthcare, shelter, food, education, etc., for the well-being and improvement of others.

[John Nada]

I am new to philosiphising about an anarchist-socialist system. I see myself as a libertarian socialist, but from my understanding of what I have read on this site and on others, is that this is a broad term used to describe different types of anarchist socialism. So my question is given these principles listed below which system describes my beliefs the most?It's hard to say. The planks listed below are more a series of demands, rather than objectives, goals, strategies on how to achieve them, organizational structure, who it's for, what it opposes, what it's in response to, the context it's in, ideals, the philosophy and thought process behind it, and the intended results in the long run.

Many different ideologies have their own jargon that's almost like another language to the layperson. One theories definition of freedom is another person's definition of hell. Is their any theorist you've read?

As a platform, is this temporary, the goal, a step towards something or even bullshit:)? For example, a Leninist could say this is just a line for the present till establishing socialism, Maoist might call it a program for a new democracy, a Trotskyist might call it a transitional demand, a social democrat on how capitalism should be, a right-"libertarian" that the free market unrestrained would make it possible, even a fascist saying this is for the welfare of the nation, or it could just be realpolitik based on your own individual circumstances.
-no social hierarchy. Status derived from contribution to community, political and reformed educational statusWhat's no social hierarchy, what defines status and contribution? Are there classes and countries?
-Religion, jobs, & marriage are up to the individual. Free, equal access to healthcare, education, housing, and food provided funded by higher taxation on the mega rich.How is there a "mega rich" if it's any variety of anarchism or socialism? States and classes don't exist under anarchy, which is basically communism. Is this a temporary reform for the here and now till libertarian socialism?. Is that tax on the "mega rich" 100% of everything they own?
- full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.Who are the people working for? What if they don't want to work?
- The State is abolished. Voluntary citizens councils, trade unions, and workers councils to act in place of the state are created.
- enterprises controlled through councils and direct democracyThe workers can run the jobs. However, if there's a "mega rich" class and those enterprises are guided by markets and profit than I'd say there's likely still a state under a different mask.
- promotes secularism
-no federal reserve central banking. Issued interest free creditWho's issuing the credit? What is the credit for?

-goods are purchased from a free market where prices represent "the amount of labor necessary to produce an article of exactly similar and equal utility.
- no corporate dictatorship/control
-production made to benefit all humanity, not for private profit and corporations
- anti war
- decriminalize drug use. Addicts are provided rehabilitation housing instead of prison. Funds go to treatment instead of police enforcement
- citizens vote for laws at citizens councils
- workers can create unions, strike and engage in other forms of job actions
- freedom of the press
- laws against discriminationThis sounds like Proudhon's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Joseph_Proudhon) mutualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_%28economic_theory%29)
The idea of a gift economy (anarcho communism) sounds ideal, except I believe that every human being is entitled to a basic standard of living healthcare, shelter, food, and education, so where could this come from in an anarcho communist society?http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secIcon.html There doesn't need to be classes, states and markets to provided any of that. The state's there to defend property of the ruling class, and is perfectly content with not providing everyone with bare necessities and letting them die. Capitalism is only conserned with make $ for the bourgeoisie(capitalist, the rich) Under communism everything's owned in common, so healthcare, food, shelter and education will be free for everyone.

[motion denied]

Some points are contradictory to others.

[Rev0lutionary]

thanks all for the responses, I see the contradictions in some of my principles and I have modified and them.

Taxation on the rich is temporarily used to eliminate inequality and provide social services.

-no social classes
-Religion, jobs, & marriage are up to the individual. Free, equal access to healthcare, education, housing
- full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work for the community, if they do not work they will still be provided with basic needs (food, shelter, education, housing.)
- The State is abolished. Voluntary horizontal citizens councils, trade unions, and workers councils to act in place of the state are created (confederal)
- enterprises controlled through councils and direct democracy
- promotes secularism
-Money and all forms of currency would be abolished in favor of a gift economy where people produce goods to be consumed freely by the rest of their community under the guiding principle "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
- no corporate dictatorship/control
-production made to benefit all humanity, not for private profit and corporations
- anti war
- decriminalize drug use. Addicts are provided rehabilitation housing instead of prison.
- citizens vote for laws at citizens councils
- workers can create unions, strike and engage in other forms of job actions
- freedom of the press
- laws against discrimination

[lutraphile]

I agree with the point that it seems awful hard for mega-rich to exist to tax in this system.

[StromboliFucker666]

You seem like you're taking elements from social democracy, mutualism and communist anarchism.

You're confused in your OP.


As for your new post, sounds kinda like anarcho-communism with syndicalism thrown in there.

[Rev0lutionary]

Indeed, in my op, I was confused about how anarcho-communism would work, but now that I better understand it, I think it's the better system.

[ckaihatsu]

thanks all for the responses, I see the contradictions in some of my principles and I have modified and them.

Taxation on the rich is temporarily used to eliminate inequality and provide social services.


Based on this alone what you're advocating, then, is *non-revolutionary* -- parliamentarism at best, and social democracy at worst.





-no social classes
-Religion, jobs, & marriage are up to the individual. Free, equal access to healthcare, education, housing
- full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work for the community, if they do not work they will still be provided with basic needs (food, shelter, education, housing.)
- The State is abolished. Voluntary citizens councils, trade unions, and workers councils to act in place of the state are created (confederal)
- enterprises controlled through councils and direct democracy
- promotes secularism
-Money and all forms of currency would be abolished in favor of a gift economy where people produce goods to be consumed freely by the rest of their community under the guiding principle "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
- no corporate dictatorship/control
-production made to benefit all humanity, not for private profit and corporations
- anti war
- decriminalize drug use. Addicts are provided rehabilitation housing instead of prison. Funds go to treatment instead of police enforcement
- citizens vote for laws at citizens councils
- workers can create unions, strike and engage in other forms of job actions
- freedom of the press
- invading other nations is prohibited the military only exists to defend the country from it's natural enemies
- laws against discrimination





Some points are contradictory to others.


This is the crux of it -- any system *has* to be self-consistent, without any internal contradictions.

Here's the major contradiction:





Taxation on the rich




Money and all forms of currency would be abolished


How can there even *be* 'rich people' if all money has been abolished -- ?

And why 'tax' the rich -- presumably in the near-term -- when the social construction of 'wealth' can just be abolished outright, as through proletarian revolution -- ?

[ckaihatsu]

( Looks like a duplicate of this thread: )


What system best represents my views?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/system-best-represents-t193599/index.html?t=193599

[tuwix]

The idea of a gift economy (anarcho communism) sounds ideal, except I believe that every human being is entitled to a basic standard of living healthcare, shelter, food, and education, so where could this come from in an anarcho communist society?

You suppose that many exists still. So your system is closest to mutualism and anarcho-collectivism.