Supplements for Muscle Growth

[Cliff Paul]

So I'm looking for a supplement to take to help with muscle growth. I already consume a shit ton of calories on a daily basis and eat a fairly large amount of protein so perhaps what I'm looking for is an amino acid or something? Idk, shit's confusing.

[Tim Cornelis]

creatine monohydrate powder, other than that, meh

[PhoenixAsh]

* Creatine
* BCAA powder (it is really good)

* High dosed multi vitamins
* NO (nitro boosters)

* There are several test boosters...but you really, really have to look for the good ones. because most of them are complete BS.

* Other than that you are either stuck with pro-hormones or anabolics both of which are illegal in the US

[Ele'ill]

$12-$15 creatine monohydrate, I hear the brands that note whether or not it is the CrePure certified creatine are best. I use Optimum Nutrition's plain old CrePure creatine monohydrate

Whole Milk is a cheap and calorie dense food that is great for bulks and overcoming plateaus, you can even push a gallon a day if you want (obviously depending on your goals and attention to other details in your routine and diet)

Instant Rolled Oats that are just 100% rolled oats


Simple Whey protein isolate, I use Optimum Nutrition's whey which seems to have remained scandal free over the years (no amino acid spiking accusations etc..)

Caffeine pills, 100/200mg tabs are about $6 and are my pre workout energizer

[BIXX]

Instant Rolled Oats that are just 100% rolled oats

Ewwww

Actually tho if you dislike how slimy oatmeal is (bevause it is, its nasty crap) you can toast it a bit. But there is nothing to be done about the flavour.

[Sewer Socialist]

Peanut butter is the best thing someone can do to oatmeal. Dried blueberries and bananas are the second and third best things.

I like beta-alanine, personally.

The way supplements (legal and illegal) generally work, by the way, is to either 1. reduce recovery time, allowing you to visit the gym more often, or 2. decrease the fatigue while you are working out, allowing you to spend more time at the gym per day. I haven't really personally experienced much difference with regards to recovery time, outside of diet, but beta-alanine is great for achieving more work at a session.

With regards to muscle growth, is your routine focused on bodybuilding techniques? If not, it should be, assuming your biggest goal is muscle growth.

[Tim Cornelis]

Oatmeal slimy? Am I eating a different oatmeal? I don't do anything with my oatmeal, just pour milk on it. It tastes almost like nothing, not disgusting.

[PhoenixAsh]

Oatmeal if cooked wrong with too much milk can be a bit slimy though. I don't particularly care.

[Tim Cornelis]

Ah, cooking. My food-hipster sister keeps recommending stuff like that. I don't see the point.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Steroids?

[hexaune]

Is oatmeal the same as porridge?

[Tim Cornelis]

Steroids?

Yeah, I heard some great stuff about that too. Apparently they build muscle really fast. It's better than creatine I hear. Not cheap though.

[PhoenixAsh]

Is oatmeal the same as porridge?

Yes and no.

Oatmeal is a kind of porridge. But porridge is everything made from oats, wheats, rice, barley etc.

[Sasha]

Yeah, I heard some great stuff about that too. Apparently they build muscle really fast. It's better than creatine I hear. Not cheap though.

Extra bonus; you get great tits, your dick becomse this cute little thingy, the zits on your back are down right spectacular and you get this awesome space between your front teeth so you can sip your drink even when your teeth are clenched from the roid rage...

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I worked with a guy who fell off the wagon and went on a binge for a week before getting fired. He had a bunch of important files on his laptop that we had to recover and in the process we found his steroid-schedule as well as a bunch of pics of his penis and chest. I think he was freaked out about side effects so he was accumulating some pictures for later comparison. Now why the fuck you would keep that on your work laptop, I have no idea.

Edit: also animal porn. I guess my point is don't do steroids

[Tim Cornelis]

On a more serious note, Sasha, you've been a victim of a media-spearheaded moral panic and sensationalism. Nah, but you hear that penis-one a lot, it's not true.

Side effects depend on the type of steroids. Mild, non-aromatised steroids will not cause androgen side effects, such as developing breast tissue, loss of hair, acne. But most steroids used for muscle building would not be mild. Those steroids can indeed cause the formation of breast tissue (gynecomastia -- male), and your balls may shrink (male obv), or your clitoris may grow (female obv), but your penis wont shrink (male obv). 'Bacne', yes, but only for the duration of your hormonal balance being out of balance, so for the duration of your cycle + maybe a month. Roid rage mostly associated with trenbolone, but usually not with others. It can cause mood swings and changes, and recovery of your chemical processes is long, longer than one is off a cycle ordinarily.

Mainly, the reason why you generally don't want to do steroids is not because of cosmetic reasons, but your health. Gyno can be managed, acne will disappear, if you do things right, no testicular atrophy will occur, and if you lose hair as a result of steroids you were going to lose those hairs in a few years anyway. The problem is mostly in your brain, steroid-induced cell death, messing up chemical processes, and heart and cardiovascular issues. Short-term use wouldn't do that much damage (I'm guessing health professionals would disagree somewhat), but short-term use is also pretty useless. Also, it's expensive.

So yeah, don't do steroids is solid advice, but I still feel myself wanting to try them in a few years (I'm guessing discussing drug-use is not against forum policy?), then again, one cycle would then put me above my natural limit and I would need to continue using to maintain that, with all the health risks that go with that. Maybe as a sort of experiment-experience. But then, what's the point? Ah, we'll see.

[Sasha]

On a more serious note, Sasha, you've been a victim of a media-spearheaded moral panic and sensationalism. Nah, but you hear that penis-one a lot, it's not true.

Side effects depend on the type of steroids. Mild, non-aromatised steroids will not cause androgen side effects, such as developing breast tissue, loss of hair, acne. But most steroids used for muscle building would not be mild. Those steroids can indeed cause the formation of breast tissue (gynecomastia -- male), and your balls may shrink (male obv), or your clitoris may grow (female obv), but your penis wont shrink (male obv). 'Bacne', yes, but only for the duration of your hormonal balance being out of balance, so for the duration of your cycle + maybe a month. Roid rage mostly associated with trenbolone, but usually not with others. It can cause mood swings and changes, and recovery of your chemical processes is long, longer than one is off a cycle ordinarily.

Mainly, the reason why you generally don't want to do steroids is not because of cosmetic reasons, but your health. Gyno can be managed, acne will disappear, if you do things right, no testicular atrophy will occur, and if you lose hair as a result of steroids you were going to lose those hairs in a few years anyway. The problem is mostly in your brain, steroid-induced cell death, messing up chemical processes, and heart and cardiovascular issues. Short-term use wouldn't do that much damage (I'm guessing health professionals would disagree somewhat), but short-term use is also pretty useless. Also, it's expensive.

So yeah, don't do steroids is solid advice, but I still feel myself wanting to try them in a few years (I'm guessing discussing drug-use is not against forum policy?), then again, one cycle would then put me above my natural limit and I would need to continue using to maintain that, with all the health risks that go with that. Maybe as a sort of experiment-experience. But then, what's the point? Ah, we'll see.


obviously you can do (reasonably) save and side effect free steroid use, just look at top-athletes like lance armstrong and floyd landis.
even among the fighter community i have known people who did roids just to get an competitive edge but not take it to far.
but the problem is that people who do it for bodybuilding tend to have little self control, their goal is not a professional "to be fastest/strongest/whatever AND not get caught", most bodybuilders have some form of body dysmorphia so like a drug addict who points to recreational users and says "i can quit anytime" they frequently get lost in serious abuse.
steroids work so good that if you have even the tiniest of muscle dysmorphia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia), which, lets not forget is a form of OCD, its almost impossible to keep to a safe regiment.
i just have seen it happen too much, sweet guys swearing to taking just one run to get that training edge ending up without a neck and pulling people out of their cars through the window over a traffic argument. Sure you can give them a try and just like there are plenty of people out there who can do the "only once a year heroin" thing there is a chance you can make it work, but if not the only solution is to stop completely and remain clean from then on.

my solid advice; if you do want to do it get a professional sports trainer or even better a docter with a proven track record of responsible regiment keeping involved, dont fuck around on your own.

[Tim Cornelis]

Yeah, one cycle is generally not realistic. Everyone that says they want to try once end up doing more. I was thinking more, experimental in the sense, if I achieved my goals natural, and then one experimental cycle 'for the heck'. But in all likeliness, it wont ever feel like I reached my goals (natty), so then the psychological addiction to steroids is a risk. Best safeguard against long-term steroid abuse would probably be a stable, romantic relationship, shared budget included.

[Sasha]

Im way to lazy to keep up the training and food/suplements schedule I would need to get to the build i want so i just redirect my body dismorphia into tattoos, not cheap either but more instantly gratifying and cathartic.