Get the ball rolling in the US

[Neomadmonkey]

So, I have an idea, but I am looking for others thoughts on this. Mainly those from the US but anyone's thoughts are appreciated. My idea is for a mass "exodus" as it were to 1 state. Maybe a state with a small population like North Dakota or something. Basically, every socialist, every communist, every anarchist moves to that state. Once there we all claim residency in that state. When election comes around, we vote our own people into office. We get our own governor, our own state senate and so on. This way we gain control of a state and now, while it's not much, we also get 2 senators and however many in the house of representatives, depending on which state. Once we have the state we can now put in our own values and ideas. Now, please keep in mind I just see this as the first step and by no means the desired end result. But it is a start! I understand this has many flaws, but I'd just like to hear opinions and thoughts! Basically, it's using the current system to get what we want. Also, on a side. Ote, does the US Constitution protect so called "free market" or could socialism be upheld in the constitution? Thanks for all your replies!

[John Nada]

Basically, it's using the current system to get what we want. Also, on a side. Ote, does the US Constitution protect so called "free market" or could socialism be upheld in the constitution? Thanks for all your replies!Socialism is a global economic system without states or classes, also know as communism. There wouldn't be a court to strike "socialism" down, because there wouldn't be a state government anyway. If you mean like Scandinavia or something, that's not socialism but capitalism made slightly less shitty, with all the small reforms being undone as we speak. If you mean socialism as the way Marxist-Leninist use for the transition towards communism, no. You can't have socialism in one tiny state.

On whether something a liken to building socialism can begin within the framework of the bourgeois US constitution, not likely. Property rights are protected under due processes and such. It would be outside of the powers delegated by the constitution to the government. It would require an amendment, which has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states, which includes all those right wing states that are almost empty. And if it got to that point, expect a civil war the likes of which makes the last US Civil War look like child's play.

[mushroompizza]

Have you been on Revleft, its just a site were we yell at each other for not being revolutionary enough and doing stuff for the cause, then we all sit at home and masturbate hoping to get a job. :(

[MethodMania]

So, I have an idea, but I am looking for others thoughts on this. Mainly those from the US but anyone's thoughts are appreciated. My idea is for a mass "exodus" as it were to 1 state. Maybe a state with a small population like North Dakota or something. Basically, every socialist, every communist, every anarchist moves to that state. Once there we all claim residency in that state. When election comes around, we vote our own people into office. We get our own governor, our own state senate and so on. This way we gain control of a state and now, while it's not much, we also get 2 senators and however many in the house of representatives, depending on which state. Once we have the state we can now put in our own values and ideas. Now, please keep in mind I just see this as the first step and by no means the desired end result. But it is a start! I understand this has many flaws, but I'd just like to hear opinions and thoughts! Basically, it's using the current system to get what we want.

Libertarians have been at it in New Hampshire for over a decade. Search "Free State Project" on Wikipedia. It hasn't exactly been a shining success, and they're far more in line with ruling class ideology than we are. (I believe there was a similar attempt in Wyoming that fizzled.)


Also, on a side. Ote, does the US Constitution protect so called "free market" or could socialism be upheld in the constitution? Thanks for all your replies!

"Progressive" radio host Thom Hartmann contends that the US is in fact democratic socialist. He bases this on his interpretation of the constitution. He's wrong.

[VivalaCuarta]

Oxi!

Socialism is made possible by revolution establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Libertarians have been at it in New Hampshire for over a decade.

White supremacists tried this strategy in the pacific northwest, as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Territorial_Imperative

[oneday]

Property rights are protected under due processes and such.


nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

You just need a good Marxist lawyer to argue that compensation of $0 is just. :laugh:

[VivalaCuarta]

Oxi!

"the working class cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes"

[G4b3n]

If I am not going to walk around the corner to a precinct to vote in bourgeois elections, I am not going to uproot my life for it, even if I had the means to do so (which I don't). Soo..

[#FF0000]

Why not just move to Vermont?


Have you been on Revleft, its just a site were we yell at each other for not being revolutionary enough and doing stuff for the cause, then we all sit at home and masturbate hoping to get a job. :(

what are you even talking about

[Antiochus]

I just don't understand why you think the Burg. would 'play fair' when the stated aim of a Socialist is to destroy them...

[BIXX]

masturbate hoping to get a job. :(

No just masturbate

I mean, if I wasn't working all the damn time.