Communist Likely Ruins Dylann Roof's Chance at Insanity Plea

[Cliff Paul]

http://jezebel.com/meet-the-lady-who-ruined-dylann-roofs-chance-at-an-insa-1712829469

Now that Dylann Roof is in custody and has been charged with nine counts of murder (http://gawker.com/breaking-police-church-shooting-suspect-charged-with-1712522399), the question is: how will he plead? The speculation in days following in the massacre is that Roof will plead like fellow mass shooter James Holmes did and claim not guilty by reason of insanity. That scenario seems much less likely now thanks to the efforts (http://gawker.com/here-is-what-appears-to-be-dylann-roofs-racist-manifest-1712767241#_ga=1.40772642.1644576353.1423686835) of a professional wrestling fan (https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe) and an ardent Communist (https://twitter.com/EMQuangel)who’s down $49 bucks.

[Tim Cornelis]

To be honest, this seems kinda stupid. Like Roof didn't intend for his manifesto which he uploaded publicly directed at the public to be public, but now that it's public, haha, we got him by the proverbial balls, because we exposed the message he wanted out. Plus, in all likeliness he wouldn't plead insanity because that would discredit him. And I don't know how the American legal system works, but wouldn't insanity depend on an assessment of his mental state? Breivik also had a manifesto, but this was not taken into account as far as I know when his mental state was assessed. So if pleading insanity was an option when his racist motives were clearly established before his manifesto was revealed, it would still be an option now right?

[Cliff Paul]

Why must you ruin our fun?

[Rafiq]

To be honest, this seems kinda stupid. Like Roof didn't intend for his manifesto which he uploaded publicly directed at the public to be public, but now that it's public, haha, we got him by the proverbial balls, because we exposed the message he wanted out.

Nevermind Dylan's intentions, it is possible that he could have been convinced of an insanity plea by relatives who might be defending him, and so on - it is not so much that we got Dylan himself by the balls, but that we got those apologists and closet racists who might try and construe this as merely the act of a madman.

[Thirsty Crow]

Nevermind Dylan's intentions, it is possible that he could have been convinced of an insanity plea by relatives who might be defending him, and so on - it is not so much that we got Dylan himself by the balls, but that we got those apologists and closet racists who might try and construe this as merely the act of a madman.Those people are slippery things. I guess it would be very much possible to construe the "manifesto" as a result or product of insanity. And back to the beginning we go. But yeah, I do think there's something to be said in favor of bringing attention to this piece of writing.

[Rafiq]

Well, at the very least racists, or those absolutely disgusting conservative politicians here in the US won't be able to talk about the apolitical nature of the act, or how it was an "assault on religious liberty" rather than an act motivated by racism.

[Tim Cornelis]

That's all good and well Rafiq, but the manifesto would have found its way to the public anyway, because Roof wanted it to, so he would have requested his lawyer to direct the media to the manifesto. The only difference is now a comrade is down 49 bugs.

[Comrade Jacob]

Good job Comrade!

[John Nada]

That's all good and well Rafiq, but the manifesto would have found its way to the public anyway, because Roof wanted it to, so he would have requested his lawyer to direct the media to the manifesto. The only difference is now a comrade is down 49 bugs.Even if that shithead wanted it public, the group he cites as inspiration, the Council of Conservative Citizens (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/council-of-conservative-citizens)(possibly one of the largest and most influential fascist front groups in the US, with 15,000 members at it's peak) and the politicians it donated tens of thousands of dollars (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/scott-walker-republican-dylann-roof-manifesto) to(including US presidential candidates, as well as Front National connections (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/council-of-conservative-citizens-dylann-roof/396467/) in France) would not want it out there. These very powerful people might not have wanted it public. But thanks to that comrade, the world can know what fucking vile scum these fascists are.

[odysseus]

Why must you ruin our fun?

Think of it this way: At least no one is saying 'yeah but he did it using capitalism'. :laugh:

[Tim Cornelis]

Even if that shithead wanted it public, the group he cites as inspiration, the Council of Conservative Citizens (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/council-of-conservative-citizens)(possibly one of the largest and most influential fascist front groups in the US, with 15,000 members at it's peak) and the politicians it donated tens of thousands of dollars (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/22/scott-walker-republican-dylann-roof-manifesto) to(including US presidential candidates, as well as Front National connections (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/council-of-conservative-citizens-dylann-roof/396467/) in France) would not want it out there. These very powerful people might not have wanted it public. But thanks to that comrade, the world can know what fucking vile scum these fascists are.

And how would they have prevented it? Roof would've just said to his lawyer, 'link this URL to the media please', the lawyer would oblige, it would circulate like wildfire, and then those organisations would find out, and maybe try and take action but it'd be way too late for that.

its*
(*bucks)

[Luís Henrique]

And how would they have prevented it? Roof would've just said to his lawyer, 'link this URL to the media please', the lawyer would oblige, it would circulate like wildfire, and then those organisations would find out, and maybe try and take action but it'd be way too late for that.

its*
(*bucks)

Do American lawyers do such stupid things?

A competent lawyer should do his or her best to persuade a client like Roof that circulating that piece of shit would put an end to the only reasonable line of defence - that of insanity. And definitely should threat abandoning the case if the client wants their way.

So, is this how American lawyers actually work, or is this merely a layman's impression of what a lawyer would do?

Luís Henrique

[John Nada]

And how would they have prevented it? Roof would've just said to his lawyer, 'link this URL to the media please', the lawyer would oblige, it would circulate like wildfire, and then those organisations would find out, and maybe try and take action but it'd be way too late for that.

its*
(*bucks)1.Could've fucked with that website, with or without his permission.
2.You assume Roof is smart, and that he put that shit up for some deep reason. It's possible that was his original plan, but he changed his mind. He may well have planned on getting away. He left a survivor as a witness that it was a racist terrorist attack, which could be because he wanted that person to send the message and not his website. Even if it was a suicide mission, he could've changed his mind.
3. It might not have been found a hate crime or terrorist act, so not be investigated by the FBI who does have the resources to track that sit down, which the South Caroline Police likely don't have(not even that $49, or a cybercrime division smart enough to).
4.South Carolina has the death penalty. Until his execution(almost guaranteed now) he'll be in the hole 24/7 for year, possible decades. Roof's lawyer likely wouldn't have a problem convincing him to at least try not to give up some evidence.
5. Now they won't pull that "oh he's just crazy. Better watch out for those dangerous psycho patients";, which would shift blame away from fascists and on mentally ill people, who face a lot of (often violent)discrimination.
6. You're just jealous because tankies are getting all the credit.:blushing:

[willowtooth]

I never liked the idea that because someone is evil we should do all in our power too prevent their message from getting out and censor it wherever possible, it's the reason, why most americans think osama "hates them for their freedom", and don't even know about his contempt for americas support of isreal or the gulf war of the 90's. Or really anything at all about al queda still 14 years later

In america we execute the retarded, so this guy is gonna fry no matter what his lawyer says (that is unless he's murdered in prison). the insanity plea is almost impossible to get anywhere in the usa, they have executed people (recently) who have been diagnosed with delusional schizophrenia and have been on medication for decades, and they can't even get away with it.

This guy however plotted for months, spoke about it jokingly often too freinds, plotted an earlier attack in a mall, and drove over 100 miles past several other churches and public places just too make sure he got the best target to make sure his racist message was clear, with the laws in south carolina the way they are (not saying i agree with them all but) a 1st year law student could get the death penalty

also there are no hate crime laws in south carolina

[PhoenixAsh]

This guy will probably get the death penalty (although the judge is pretty biased) because it is a quick fix and blankets the necessity of a deep prolonged social discussion on his motives and what specifically is wrong with the current system that leads to people making these political statements.... and everybody can go back to pretending justice is served.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Some insane pressure is building right now. No community can take this much abuse without a serious reaction, Baltimore was nothing. The state can try to pretend things are back to normal, but they aren't even close and the more they cling to that delusion the bigger the reaction will be.

[PhoenixAsh]

Currently the discussion is focused on symbolism like flags and monuments...rather than on the system itself. That is an important step and needs to happen but I fear that removing the Battle Flag and monuments will ultimately result in placating the masses by creating a false sense of achievement. I hope I am wrong and some serious movement will arise that works outside the system and offers a serious alternative.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I'm not in one of those states, but from watching the news the composition of a lot of those protests seem to be primarily middle class. Which makes sense since that's about the extent of what somebody could expect from a solution inside the current system. Theres no way that's going to placate anyone else though. Still all things considered, I'm personally ok with getting behind that specific instance of godless "Culture Marxism". If only for the sake of some psychological warfare lol

[Sibotic]

I don't think that they did so, in this instance, so in whichever way you still suspect that Dylann (notice the two 'n's?!?!?!) wouldn't necessarily mind the text being put out there, and it wouldn't necessarily impact on the trial in that significant of a way as such, except by displaying that they knew what they were doing, which we already knew essentially. Dylann Roof might not even try an insanity plea, though, who knows what shall occur then specifically.

Meanwhile, rumous that Dylann Storm Roof was found recently on a website known as the 'Daily Stormer,' coincidence or what.

[Os Cangaceiros]

This guy will probably get the death penalty (although the judge is pretty biased) because it is a quick fix and blankets the necessity of a deep prolonged social discussion on his motives and what specifically is wrong with the current system that leads to people making these political statements.... and everybody can go back to pretending justice is served.

Oh yeah, this dude is going down hard. You know you're screwed when the president of the United States speaks at the funeral of the people you murdered.

[ckaihatsu]

Currently the discussion is focused on symbolism like flags and monuments...rather than on the system itself. That is an important step and needs to happen but I fear that removing the Battle Flag and monuments will ultimately result in placating the masses by creating a false sense of achievement. I hope I am wrong and some serious movement will arise that works outside the system and offers a serious alternative.


This could very well be *downplaying* the actual political consciousness that's out there, by mistaking 'operational' strategies and tactics, for overarching politics itself.

From the glass-half-full perspective, maybe some momentum needs to be built through this, to enable the launching of even *greater* struggles, beyond Ferguson, Baltimore, etc.